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post #21 of 66
5/29/08 at 1:13pm
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Originally Posted by Abadee View Post
Believe me Pirx. I know more than you.
Good one, that...

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And Pirx, you can call my new 15k record in 3d'06 nonsense, but it is still faster than you.
You mean "faster than your graphics card", right?
Sure, but so what? I don't game, so I don't care.

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Not that it matters but it is.
It doesn't. Matter.
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post #22 of 66
5/29/08 at 1:17pm
Abadee, you are treading VERY close to getting this thread locked and other undesirable side effects being thrown your way. Pirx is well-respected here, knows his stuff and admits when he doesn't, and does not deserve to be treated like a dilletante. If you persist, the thread will be locked and you may find yourself in time-out
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post #23 of 66
5/29/08 at 1:50pm
Knock it off, now.

Besides the pointless 3DMark e-peen fest going on here, insulting and beginning to troll aren't going to be tolerated. You've been warned.
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post #24 of 66
5/29/08 at 1:50pm
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The above taken. Should have refrained from the blatent dig in response to theirs.

Anyway. Then people should keep out of stuff unless there is something constructive to say and not try to tear down people for their findings/experiments..... And realize that because someone has 10k posts here does not make them know any more than anyone else.

That is why after the first negative comment from Krax, My first line was "I was expecting you". Why would I say that? Because I read more of this site than you think and know a few peoples mentalities around here.

At least I can feel good about myself everyday knowing I am only around to help issues and not make people feel bad because they are getting to the root of something odd. And that is about it.... Just finding out why the laptop is doing what it is.

BTW I took advice and dl'ed Everest. That reports both cores at 25-26C and if you do the math that is ABOVE my room temperature and is now infact very possible that those temps are accurate.

Wow it fits in those "physics" you were talking about now... And still damn cold. And still at 3.4Ghz

Oh room temp is 70.2F

The readings:
CPU - 25C/77F
CPU1 - 24C/75F
CPU2 - 24C/75F
GPU1 - 53C/127F
GPU2 - 53C/127F
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post #25 of 66
5/29/08 at 1:57pm
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Yes I agree as posted before

And as far as the pointless 3DMark, I will be running many more benches to negate that hopefully. I have only had this 1730 less than 72 hrs and I haven't even found it's limit yet.

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Originally Posted by Fenuxx View Post
Knock it off, now.

Besides the pointless 3DMark e-peen fest going on here, insulting and beginning to troll aren't going to be tolerated. You've been warned.
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post #26 of 66
5/29/08 at 2:25pm
Right no personal insults one more = temp ban and 2 = longer temp ban. Btw abadee whats a tech support traner/manager?
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post #27 of 66
5/29/08 at 2:33pm
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I, once upon a time, was one of the 4 technical support training managers for Apple Computer. I flew around the country training and staffing tech support centers for them.

Then they sent everyone to India.

...lol... and yes I did misspell trainer... no one's perfect. hee hee... Thanks for the catch! I am a 'puter dude not an english teacher definately.
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post #28 of 66
5/29/08 at 3:08pm
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I am a 'puter dude not an english teacher definately.
Yep, definitely...
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post #29 of 66
5/29/08 at 4:08pm
Abadee, did you apply AS5 to your CPU or are you getting those temps out of the box? Been debating opening up the 'puter to apply AS5 but not sure if it is worth the effort, especially if I may upgrade to X9000 and can just do it then.
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post #30 of 66
5/29/08 at 5:44pm
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Abadee, did you apply AS5 to your CPU or are you getting those temps out of the box? Been debating opening up the 'puter to apply AS5 but not sure if it is worth the effort, especially if I may upgrade to X9000 and can just do it then.
Did AS5 to mine and I don't get those temps :P

I usually get around 38-43C during idle.
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post #31 of 66
5/29/08 at 7:27pm
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Yeah this system is less than 72hrs out of the box. All I have done to it is replace the 8700's with a brand spankin new set of 8800's. There is no way in he double hockey sticks that I am seperating this cooling system right now until I get the truth out of this scientifically.

My palmrest when I just came to type was cold. My hands are actually warming it up. It is sitting on my desk at work between an XPS 720 and a inspiron 530 so it's not exactly wide open air here... The CPU heatsink is actually blowing cool air out.

**edit** ambient room temp is 71.8F
CPU according to fangui = 20C
CPU according to everest = 25C / 77F
**end edit**

That is once again weird. Now where is that darn thermal gun... Maybe I will stick a digital thermometer in there for a now reading...

Oh and AS5, if properly applied, is well worth it if you know how to navigate these lappy cases.
LL
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post #32 of 66
5/29/08 at 7:31pm
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Did AS5 to mine and I don't get those temps :P

I usually get around 38-43C during idle.
@Smooth_J Same here.

I'm sure I can take a screen shot at any temp you want though
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post #33 of 66
5/29/08 at 7:33pm
Yeah, you are getting low temp becasue I8kfan temp reading is WRONG!

You have to use Rivatuner or nTune that give you better reading. Otherwise you will sounds really stupid when your told people you CPU temp. That is previously discuss in other post of misreading CPU temp on I8kfan.

And yes, you can never get the CPU temp lower than your room temp. That is simple as 1 + 1 =2. I think you are smarter than that.

71.8 F = 22.11C. I guess your CPU does not produce any heat?? Your CPU have selfcooler that will keep itself cool?

BTW, I was looking for your signature and see you got lots experience. May I ask how old are you? You must be really old to have all those experience. And not to offense you. I guess there is reason why you been changing jobs....
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post #34 of 66
5/29/08 at 7:41pm
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That is once again weird. Now where is that darn thermal gun... Maybe I will stick a digital thermometer in there for a now reading...


Yeah, those will give you a better reading then a microscopic sensor installed on the actual chip.

Considering that the temperature disapation around the chip would be rapid I fail to see how that will give you an accurate reading of both cores, much less any single core. I'd love to see a thermal gun, accurate enough to measure the core without being swayed by other components & your attempt at actualy pointing the gun at the actual cores located on the bottom of the chip/UNDER the heatsync will be even more fascinating. Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you, as the facts above, must have clearly slipped your mind as such a vast level of credentials in your signature would surely account some level of knowledge of the above as the above, seems obvious to ME..having no technical background whatsoever other then my own personal experiances with computers and simple common sense applied to the functionality of the devices you mentioned to test your refrigerator.

The digital thermometer idea is pure genious. Will you be getting yours at Walgreens or your local pharmacist?

You work at tech support huh? Thanks for your digital know how and advice. Niiiice!

Your avitar though?

BTW...thanks for giving us all your CPU readings, for a single CPU, when you have 2 cores which are NEVER at the same temperature unless the CPU is off, due to the location of each thermal sensor on the chip. So the figures you are seeing and reporting, are those?....averages? or did you simply forget that you have 2 cores on your mighty machine?

To end this whole depate...WE ARE ALL VERY VERY VERY IMPRESSED.
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post #35 of 66
5/29/08 at 8:28pm
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Yeah, those will give you a better reading then a microscopic sensor installed on the actual chip.

Considering that the temperature disapation around the chip would be rapid I fail to see how that will give you an accurate reading of both cores, much less any single core. I'd love to see a thermal gun, accurate enough to measure the core without being swayed by other components & your attempt at actualy pointing the gun at the actual cores located on the bottom of the chip/UNDER the heatsync will be even more entertaining.

The digital thermometer idea is even more genious.

You work at tech support huh? Niiiice!
Wow... People amaze me. I never said they would give "better" readings. I am just curious on what I will find. The negativity in here is sickening. With this thread i just wanted the same respect and community that I got in my other threads. I found something weird. I wanted to share my findings with respectable helpful people and not a bunch of sharking trolls that like to crap on people's findings, etc... respectable?... I was wrong for coming off in some of the ways I did. At least I can admit when I am wrong. I have no problem with that. Ever. I have nothing to prove, especially to a bunch of forum people that will have no impact in my real life.

Yeah I used to manage tech support. 10 years ago. Back when we could still use our brains and weren't required to read to you off a screen. Then India happened.

And Krax... you're just not getting it. I am just playing with some interesting findings. I am not worried, and I could care less. I am happy this unit actually works. I want those temps for reference so I can get rid of the uncertainty in my head. Everest gives individual core temp and an overall temp as you surely know. I want to reference the overall temp to what I get from the heatsink itself under full load (encoding video). The digital thermometer was to see if it would register any temp as the one I am going to use will not show a number until at least 88F. No number, my exhaust is under 88F. May be stupid, but what the hell. I bet if Intel made a weird finding like this, they would test it too. The heat gun will be easy. I am not planning on shooting the core itself. I just want to get the top of the heatsink at different points, etc. Just to compare. Plus that will give me an idea of how much heat dissipates between the core and top of sink. That would be useless in the real world, but would be cool to know.

Plus I have two more 1730's and two 1710's laying around here at my shop to reference my findings to. I will be testing the other non-overheating 1730 with a T7700 as well. (Oh and yes I understand that the cores are made under different processes). Just becuase I'm bored. Plus when I put my Raid into my partner's laptop, it read the same temps for his cpu as his OS did. That eliminates my OS as being an issue.

So if you do not have anything constructive to say in this thread, please bug off. I am just trying to get to the bottom of something that shouldn't be happening and to see if my sensors are misreading. That is called troubleshooting. My troubleshooting skills have already determined that the temp programs ARE flawed as was stated many time, and as I already knew. This laptop is also registers and is physically colder than the other 2 1730's in the shop running the same load (WoW, Blobby Dancer, Firefox, background tasks). You can really notice it. Colder than the 1710's in the shop as well. And all this at 3.4Ghz.

Oh and for the mods, even after my warning and agreeing, and if I cannot speak my mind then others should not throw comments out like this one as I take quite the offense to smart arse comments like this especially with the context of the post:

The digital thermometer idea is even more genious.

And BTW Krax it's spelled genius.
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post #36 of 66
5/29/08 at 8:49pm
Yep, and I still maintain that you are full of it. And I said nothing wrong or offencive in my post above other then point out the inconsitancies and flaws in your attempts to prove to us that your laptop is a refrigerator.

You on the other hand called me a "smart arse". after being warned by the mods.

Goodbye now, I actualy have a life.

TO THE MODS...I urge you to please close this BS thread. I also ask that before you somehow retaliate against me, that you look at my contributions to this forum and realise that this guy is simply pulling everyones leg for attention. I'm a moderator on another unrelated forum, and as moderators, I'm sure that you are aware of WHAT this guy is and what his intentions are. You and I both know what he is. No need to tell ME anything, I will not reply to this thread any longer. It's your choice to let THIS reside on your forums.

My whole intentions were to show to regular users that this is NOT TRUE information and should not be used as a refrence.

Goodbye.
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post #37 of 66
5/29/08 at 11:23pm
consider it done, thread is locked... abadee you're about 1 second from a ban of a fortnight
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post #38 of 66
5/30/08 at 12:36pm
thread has been reopened on ONE condition. If abadee and krax do NOT call each other names. If there is ANY, ANY further name-calling, flaming, trolling, or anything else that can be construed as being malicious on a personal level, then not only will this thread be closed, but there will be temp-bans for the both.

Furthermore, if Abadee can provide full documentation of the computer's cpu temps, as well as the temp of his room at the time (a youtube-style video will suffice), then that would be a bit more admissible of the x9000 at 21c claim. It's all nice to see what you have in screenshots, but anyone can photoshop a screenshot first off, and second off many CPU temperature programs have an 8 degree C factor of error, so that 21c that you see may really be 29c after error is factored in.

If the validation of 21c is indeed valid, most cpu programs will show 11c to 13c unless you have specifically told it to factor in the error, in which case a shot of the option box that shows "factor in error" or something of that ilk is explicitly pictured. If the conditions cannot be met, then this thread will be reclosed. I'm giving everyone a fair shake to the best of my abilities, I want to be fair, but i'm also not beyond whipping out a good deal of ass-whoop.

Ganzo
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post #39 of 66
5/30/08 at 1:32pm
I look forward to some real proof as well

Good call Ganz
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post #40 of 66
5/30/08 at 1:39pm
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thread has been reopened on ONE condition. If abadee and krax do NOT call each other names. If there is ANY, ANY further name-calling, flaming, trolling, or anything else that can be construed as being malicious on a personal level, then not only will this thread be closed, but there will be temp-bans for the both.

Furthermore, if Abadee can provide full documentation of the computer's cpu temps, as well as the temp of his room at the time (a youtube-style video will suffice), then that would be a bit more admissible of the x9000 at 21c claim. It's all nice to see what you have in screenshots, but anyone can photoshop a screenshot first off, and second off many CPU temperature programs have an 8 degree C factor of error, so that 21c that you see may really be 29c after error is factored in.

If the validation of 21c is indeed valid, most cpu programs will show 11c to 13c unless you have specifically told it to factor in the error, in which case a shot of the option box that shows "factor in error" or something of that ilk is explicitly pictured. If the conditions cannot be met, then this thread will be reclosed. I'm giving everyone a fair shake to the best of my abilities, I want to be fair, but i'm also not beyond whipping out a good deal of ass-whoop.

Ganzo

Bravo!

What is the point of this thread? Just enjoy your laptop. I will like to add that I can turn on my laptop and take a screenshot immediately. By doing this I will be getting the lowest room temp.
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