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M15x with overclockable x9000, nVidia Geforce 8800M GTX in a 17 " chasis for $2800

post #1 of 97
7/13/08 at 8:51pm
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Check this out. What do you think?
Look at the customizable options (i.e., Extreme X9000 overclocked and blu-ray BD-RE optical drive. If you look close at the main page photos, I swear the optical drive is a smartbay...am I wrong?)

UPDATED SYSTEM INFO 7/25/08

Sager NP5793 17" $2625
Built on the Clevo M570RU-U / M571RU-U
1920x1200
nVidia Geforce 9800M GT
Core 2 Extreme x9100-3.53 Ghz (overclocked) 6MB L2 cache 800Mhz FSB
2 GB ram
200GB 7200RPM HDD
http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np5796-...wconfigure=yes

or:

Sager NP9262 17" w/SLI 9800M GT $2698/Single 9800M GT $2223
1920x1200 resolution,
SLI Dual nVidia Geforce 9800M GT DDR3 DX10
Core 2 Extreme E8500-3.16 Ghz w/ 6MB L2 Cache 1333Mhz FSB
2GB RAM
200GB 7200RPM SATA hard drive
http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np9262-...wconfigure=yes
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post #2 of 97
7/13/08 at 11:20pm
Clevo + desktop processors + laptop = firestarter kit
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post #3 of 97
7/14/08 at 2:08am
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post #4 of 97
7/14/08 at 8:49am
No offense but Desktop Processors should stay in desktops. They only cause problems in Notebooks....
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post #5 of 97
7/14/08 at 11:19am
Shouldn't this be in the Sager section?
The title of the thread says m15x, but the content is Sager.
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post #6 of 97
7/14/08 at 3:24pm
I think he thinks an m15x is defined by its processor and graphics card.

The m15x is special because of its screen size and overall footprint combined with excellent battery life and illuminated keyboard. The smartbay is cool too. Everything else, including the processor and graphics card, isn't that special. The m15x is greater than the sum of its parts, but the parts can be found in many many other laptops.
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post #7 of 97
7/14/08 at 5:24pm
Just not 15" notebooks, which is the point i think everyone is missing when it comes to the m15x. you can even buy a Dell 17" notebook that much more powerful the the m15x. just nothing else 15" comes even close.
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post #8 of 97
7/14/08 at 7:06pm
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Ummm, the Penryn x9000 is a mobile cpu

2.8GHz overclockable to 3.2GHz with a full 6MB of L2 cache and a TDP of 35 Watts, this chip is currently Intel's fastest notebook CPU
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post #9 of 97
7/14/08 at 7:08pm
Ummm, the E8400 is a desktop cpu
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post #10 of 97
7/14/08 at 7:15pm
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Originally Posted by Koshinn View Post
I think he thinks an m15x is defined by its processor and graphics card.

The m15x is special because of its screen size and overall footprint combined with excellent battery life and illuminated keyboard. The smartbay is cool too. Everything else, including the processor and graphics card, isn't that special. The m15x is greater than the sum of its parts, but the parts can be found in many many other laptops.
From what I gather the m15x has major downclocking and overheating issues, and issues with the chasis cracking/hinges breaking/case melting. So i'd say a better quality, and bigger chasis with more fans and improved air circulation may in fact be an improvement over the m15x; not to mention that this x9000 is overclockable, and on top of that $1000 cheaper with a larger screen for gaming/media .

m15x issues:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=254627



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post #11 of 97
7/14/08 at 7:19pm
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Ummm, the E8400 is a desktop cpu
You are right, but the x9000 is not.
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post #12 of 97
7/14/08 at 7:27pm
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Originally Posted by rive0108 View Post
From what I gather the m15x has major downclocking and overheating issues, and issues with the chasis cracking/hinges breaking/case melting. So i'd say a better quality, and bigger chasis with more fans and improved air circulation may in fact be an improvement over the m15x; not to mention that this x9000 is overclockable, and on top of that $1000 cheaper with a larger screen for gaming/media .

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=254627
milcs is by far blowing the problems out of proportion.

My m15x has no downclocking, overheating, cracking, hinges breaking, nor case melting issues.

I've had it for 4 months, I've taken it to class every day for 2 and a half months, I've taken it on the airplane from Los Angeles to Hawaii, then Hawaii to San Francisco, then San Francisco to London, then London to Cambridge, Cambridge to London, London to Washington DC, DC to Philadelphia, Philadelphia to Chicago, and finally Chicago back to Hawaii. In between these plane trips, I've driven it all over London, Vegas, Southern California and Philadephia.

I doubt there's anyone who's travelled as much with their m15x as I have, and it's in perfect condition still. And yes, I game maybe 40 hrs a week, which keeps the overall system temp at about 57C for long periods of time.

Oh, and I watch 5 hrs of movies / tv shows on it, full screened, on the long plane trips without using a power adapter. Try that in a clevo.
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post #13 of 97
7/14/08 at 7:32pm
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milcs is by far blowing the problems out of proportion.

My m15x has no downclocking, overheating, cracking, hinges breaking, nor case melting issues.
Well there are many pictures of damaged m15x systems, and apparently ALOT of people are having similar issues. So it's not just an isolated problem with a few notebooks. Seems the m15x is defective.
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post #14 of 97
7/14/08 at 7:36pm
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Originally Posted by rive0108 View Post
Well there are many pictures of damaged m15x systems, and apparently ALOT of people are having similar issues. So its's not just an isolated problem with a few notebooks. Seems the m15x is defective.
You need to understand statistics.

The pool of m15x notebooks that AW has delivered is gigantic. The pool of owners on NBR is tiny in comparison. Those on NBR with major problems is even smaller. If I used exact numbers, I'd be lying as those statistics don't exist outside of AW, but if I were to make up a random number, I'd say less than 3% of m15x owners post on NBR, and maybe 1/3 of those have major problems, bringing it to maybe 1% of m15xs. Yet all those happy owners don't post, because they don't have a need to constantly complain about their fortunes.

Thus, out of all the posts in the AW section, a large percentage will be about defective machines. But that is not representitive of all m15xs, not by a long shot.
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post #15 of 97
7/14/08 at 7:46pm
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Originally Posted by Koshinn View Post
You need to understand statistics.

The pool of m15x notebooks that AW has delivered is gigantic. The pool of owners on NBR is tiny in comparison. Those on NBR with major problems is even smaller. If I used exact numbers, I'd be lying as those statistics don't exist outside of AW, but if I were to make up a random number, I'd say less than 3% of m15x owners post on NBR, and maybe 1/3 of those have major problems, bringing it to maybe 1% of m15xs. Yet all those happy owners don't post, because they don't have a need to constantly complain about their fortunes.

Thus, out of all the posts in the AW section, a large percentage will be about defective machines. But that is not representitive of all m15xs, not by a long shot.
So are you suggesting the damage and problems are user created? Because otherwise it doesn't matter if it's 20 or 200 m15x systems that are melting or breaking at the hinges, or overheating/downclocking. I would not wish to play russian roulette with $4000 and hope to get a m15x that doesn't overheat, crack, melt or break.
Sounds like the m7700 all over again to me, but I am sure since only a few hundred had issues with that system that it wasn't a defective model either
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post #16 of 97
7/14/08 at 8:04pm
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So are you suggesting the damage and problems are user created? Because otherwise it doesn't matter if it's 20 or 200 m15x systems that are melting or breaking at the hinges, or overheating/downclocking. I would not wish to play russian roulette with $4000 and hope to get a m15x that doesn't overheat, crack, melt or break.
Sounds like the m7700 all over again to me, but I am sure since only a few hundred had issues with that system that it wasn't a defective model either
I'm saying there's no product in existence that doesn't have a few defective examples.
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post #17 of 97
7/14/08 at 8:04pm
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Koshinn did you not yourself post the following?

"Most of the [m15x] issues are:

over heating, which may or may not cause premature downclocking of cpu and/or gpu during regular usage
touch controls not working after hibernate/sleep
nothing really working after hibernate/sleep"

"5% that have been reported. It's probably higher than that, but the users don't notice cracking or for some reason don't push their comps to see the overheating. And some just don't care enough to report their problems and find work-arounds themselves."

http://www.notebookforums.com/thread213782.html


Seems like the m15x has more "than just a few defective examples." 5% is equivalent to 1 out of every 20 sold! They used too small of a chasis for the high end components, low quality chasis materials, and insufficient cooling is a result, as is the melting/cracking/breaking.
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post #18 of 97
7/14/08 at 8:18pm
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Originally Posted by rive0108 View Post
Koshinn did you not yourself post the following?

"Most of the issues are:

over heating, which may or may not cause premature downclocking of cpu and/or gpu during regular usage
touch controls not working after hibernate/sleep
nothing really working after hibernate/sleep"

http://www.notebookforums.com/thread213782.html
Yes I did post that. What of it? I'm saying what most of the issues are. I'm not saying that it happens a lot... except the hibernate/sleep problem, which affects many laptops from many manufacturers, as it is/was a Vista problem, not one in the control of Alienware.

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Seems like the m15x has more "than just a few defective examples" They used too small of a chasis for the high end components, low quality chasis materials, and insufficient cooling is a result, as is the melting/cracking/breaking.
I think the only problem is the cooling for a X9000. Any other combination of components works perfectly fine, as if you followed milcs' threads bashing m15xs would reveal.

Chasis cracks/melting/breaking is pretty rare, especially with any m15x bought in the last 3 months.
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post #19 of 97
7/14/08 at 9:14pm
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"Most of the [m15x] issues are:

over heating, which may or may not cause premature downclocking of cpu and/or gpu during regular usage
touch controls not working after hibernate/sleep
nothing really working after hibernate/sleep"

"5% that have been reported. It's probably higher than that, but the users don't notice cracking or for some reason don't push their comps to see the overheating. And some just don't care enough to report their problems and find work-arounds themselves."

-Koshinn

5% (1 in 20 systems) of m15x rigs cracking, not working after hibernation/sleep, downclocking/overheating, breaking and or melting sounds excessive, and unacceptable to me Koshinn.
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post #20 of 97
7/14/08 at 9:28pm
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Originally Posted by rive0108 View Post
"Most of the [m15x] issues are:

over heating, which may or may not cause premature downclocking of cpu and/or gpu during regular usage
touch controls not working after hibernate/sleep
nothing really working after hibernate/sleep"

"5% that have been reported. It's probably higher than that, but the users don't notice cracking or for some reason don't push their comps to see the overheating. And some just don't care enough to report their problems and find work-arounds themselves."

-Koshinn

5% (1 in 20 systems) of m15x rigs cracking, not working after hibernation/sleep, downclocking/overheating, breaking and or melting sounds excessive, and unacceptable to me Koshinn.
Dude, why are you attacking me?

I already told you I make up statistics that don't exist. Don't go running an analysis on them... I'm not sure who would be more foolish at that point, me for trying to make a point or you for building a case on imaginary data.
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