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post #21 of 97
7/14/08 at 9:36pm
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Originally Posted by Koshinn View Post
Dude, why are you attacking me?

I already told you I make up statistics as they don't exist.

not attacking. Just making a point. The m15x has issues. It is no benefit to others to whitewash over them. No one wants to buy an expensive computer thats got an above average chance of being defective..
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post #22 of 97
7/14/08 at 9:41pm
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Originally Posted by rive0108 View Post
not attacking. Just making a point. The m15x has issues. It is no benefit to others to whitewash over them. No one wants to buy an expensive computer thats gonna break.
And it is no benefit to others to blow it out of proportion. No one wants to buy their second choice computer because a few people out of thousands had problems, but were extremely vocal.
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post #23 of 97
7/14/08 at 10:28pm
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OK.
Well good luck with your m15x
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post #24 of 97
7/15/08 at 12:45am
The 7700 still kicks ass!
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post #25 of 97
7/15/08 at 9:42am
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Originally Posted by rive0108 View Post
Just making a point.
You made a statement, you got opinions back as a response. Opinions are not facts as was your statement(an opinion not a fact). Point being, that chasing your tail doesnt help the original statement. Show us the numbers before making an arguement for or against. Don't use hypothetical percentages.

Also tell us more why we should buy Toshiba HD DVDplayers. That was one of your better pointless rants not long ago.
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post #26 of 97
7/15/08 at 2:41pm
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Originally Posted by rive0108 View Post
From what I gather the m15x has major downclocking and overheating issues, and issues with the chasis cracking/hinges breaking/case melting. So i'd say a better quality, and bigger chasis with more fans and improved air circulation may in fact be an improvement over the m15x; not to mention that this x9000 is overclockable, and on top of that $1000 cheaper with a larger screen for gaming/media .

m15x issues:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=254627


Good thing nobody out there has ever said Clevo laptops have heat issues... unless you count just about everyone that's owned one...

The m15x had some issues at intro that have been addressed. Clevo continues to deny there are any issues with their d900 line despite the record of mobo failures, capacitor failures, charging system failures and hd controller failures.

Why would you take one obviously irate guy on a mission's word over literally hundreds of factual reports of Clevo heat based failures?
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post #27 of 97
7/15/08 at 2:44pm
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Originally Posted by rive0108 View Post
Well there are many pictures of damaged m15x systems, and apparently ALOT of people are having similar issues. So it's not just an isolated problem with a few notebooks. Seems the m15x is defective.
Wow, good thing there aren't reports all over the internet about Clevo heat issues, or you'd be pissing and moaning about them being defective too.

Oh, wait...

Uh... I saw a picture of an m15x the other day, and it wasn't cracked. Does this mean it's a fluke?
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post #28 of 97
7/15/08 at 2:45pm
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Originally Posted by rive0108 View Post
So are you suggesting the damage and problems are user created? Because otherwise it doesn't matter if it's 20 or 200 m15x systems that are melting or breaking at the hinges, or overheating/downclocking. I would not wish to play russian roulette with $4000 and hope to get a m15x that doesn't overheat, crack, melt or break.
Sounds like the m7700 all over again to me, but I am sure since only a few hundred had issues with that system that it wasn't a defective model either
Uh, the m7700 is a Clevo d900, the evolution of which you're pushing here...

You think maybe, just maybe that's why Alienware no longer sells Clevo laptops?

Maybe?
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post #29 of 97
7/15/08 at 2:47pm
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Originally Posted by rive0108 View Post
Koshinn did you not yourself post the following?

"Most of the [m15x] issues are:

over heating, which may or may not cause premature downclocking of cpu and/or gpu during regular usage
touch controls not working after hibernate/sleep
nothing really working after hibernate/sleep"

"5% that have been reported. It's probably higher than that, but the users don't notice cracking or for some reason don't push their comps to see the overheating. And some just don't care enough to report their problems and find work-arounds themselves."

http://www.notebookforums.com/thread213782.html


Seems like the m15x has more "than just a few defective examples." 5% is equivalent to 1 out of every 20 sold! They used too small of a chasis for the high end components, low quality chasis materials, and insufficient cooling is a result, as is the melting/cracking/breaking.
The downclocking has been addressed.

The post hibernation issues are driver/OS related, not hardware.

I'd rather not use hibernation than have a system that won't turn on at all.

Have you done any research on Clevo at all?
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post #30 of 97
7/15/08 at 2:52pm
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Originally Posted by rive0108 View Post
not attacking. Just making a point. The m15x has issues. It is no benefit to others to whitewash over them. No one wants to buy an expensive computer thats got an above average chance of being defective..
Then why would you buy a laptop from a manufacturer that is known for it's hardware failures, and refusal to aknowledge the failures let alone do something about them?

You're really focused on this, aren't you? Did Alienware kick your puppy or something?

Do you have any statistics to show the m15x is defective other than your opinion that a pissed off guy ranting on the internet means the system is defective?
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post #31 of 97
7/15/08 at 2:53pm
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Originally Posted by rive0108 View Post
OK.
Well good luck with your m15x
Good luck with your Clevo...
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post #32 of 97
7/15/08 at 3:39pm
Hammer, you are being to subtle. You need to let it out.
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post #33 of 97
7/16/08 at 9:26pm
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Originally Posted by SoloMan View Post
You made a statement, you got opinions back as a response. Opinions are not facts as was your statement(an opinion not a fact). Point being, that chasing your tail doesnt help the original statement. Show us the numbers before making an arguement for or against. Don't use hypothetical percentages.

Also tell us more why we should buy Toshiba HD DVDplayers. That was one of your better pointless rants not long ago.
I bit the bullet after hd dvd's defeat, and purchased a UJ-220 BD-RE for my m5790, but all the notebook bd drives are profile 1.0 with no firmware updates available, and on top of that Powerdvd has a software bug that prevents bd-java enhanced movies from playing. (most bd-java affected titles released by Disney, Sony, Fox).
So I stand by what I said, People buying newer systems with bd drives are getting shafted with obsolete players. HD DVD was the better choice.


I am collecting data regarding the m15x with a poll.... only time will tell...
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post #34 of 97
7/16/08 at 11:17pm
Reason for the no firmware for the notebook/computer BD drives is that there is a holdup on the recording end of the system. Remember you can record BD Data on these beside watch movies. Here again there is supposed to be a new format change in the BD read/write codex. When that is fixed the update will come which should be soon.

Other than that all other BD players (consoles) have no issues.
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post #35 of 97
7/17/08 at 3:11pm
Unlike some others, I fully admit that the m15x has thermal issues when stressed. There is a much larger m15x user base on NBR and it's become very clear that things do tend to run a little hot. Still within spec, mind you, but hot. (Except the x9000 issue which has not been resolved yet.) That being said, take a long hard look at the new clevo m860tu cooling assembly.


That's a single fan, with a single air intake cooling both cpu and gpu.

Now imagine a 2.8 extreme processor and a 9800mGT being stressed with Crysis. I can't imagine things being icy cool but we shall see.
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post #36 of 97
7/17/08 at 9:29pm
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Issues like this?



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post #37 of 97
7/17/08 at 10:05pm
That's 1 out of 2 known cases across 3 notebook forums, lol. Not quite enough common experiences for me to be too paranoid about the lcd assembly quite yet. X9000 overheating? Yes. LCD cracking open? No.
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post #38 of 97
7/18/08 at 1:39am
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That's 1 out of 2 known cases across 3 notebook forums, lol. Not quite enough common experiences for me to be too paranoid about the lcd assembly quite yet. X9000 overheating? Yes. LCD cracking open? No.
Rive doesn't understand the concept of statistics.

To him, if there's one example of something happening, that's enough to consider an entire product line defective.
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post #39 of 97
7/18/08 at 11:35am
I agree. If we are talking about 20% of the product having the same exact problem, then, yes, there is a major issue.
I would say even 10% would be cause for alarm. But what I have read of actually problems, the precentages are pretty low.
Of course, this is IMO.
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post #40 of 97
7/18/08 at 1:08pm
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Originally Posted by rive0108 View Post
Issues like this?
Wow, if every Alienware m15x comes like that, they might just have a problem...

I remember a guy that posted his Alienware here that was "delivered" broken. You could clearly see in one of the shots part of a shoeprint on the screen... I couldn't believe that Alienware steps on everyone's screens before they ship, but it must be true cause I saw a picture.
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