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post #41 of 97
7/18/08 at 1:09pm
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Originally Posted by Groove75 View Post
Unlike some others, I fully admit that the m15x has thermal issues when stressed. There is a much larger m15x user base on NBR and it's become very clear that things do tend to run a little hot. Still within spec, mind you, but hot. (Except the x9000 issue which has not been resolved yet.) That being said, take a long hard look at the new clevo m860tu cooling assembly.


That's a single fan, with a single air intake cooling both cpu and gpu.

Now imagine a 2.8 extreme processor and a 9800mGT being stressed with Crysis. I can't imagine things being icy cool but we shall see.
If the m15x is within specs, even when stressed, how is it that it has thermal issues?
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post #42 of 97
7/18/08 at 1:11pm
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Originally Posted by Koshinn View Post
Rive doesn't understand the concept of statistics.

To him, if there's one example of something happening, that's enough to consider an entire product line defective.
... and then he recommends a Clevo, even though there is tons of data and even lawsuits over inadequate engineering with their hardware...
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post #43 of 97
7/18/08 at 7:25pm
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Originally Posted by Hammerhead View Post
If the m15x is within specs, even when stressed, how is it that it has thermal issues?
It just runs hot. X9000 downclocking would be a good example of a thermal issue. I don't think it should be offered as an option in the machine.
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post #44 of 97
7/19/08 at 10:12am
Yup the M15x with the Extreme processor is a complete waste of money in the M15x. It will downclock and to date can't be OC'ed without voiding your warranty.

The problem with AW is how they are handling the situation. There are serious flaws with the M15x. Will AW admit to it. most likely not. I was willing to work through the issues with my M15x but because of the slow response time of AW with my issues, and the complete lack of communication from AW as to why the Extreme would DC I decided to dump my M15x.

There has also been some reviewers that have made retractions regarding the M15x.
http://blog.laptopmag.com/alienware-...#comment-11286
So are there issues, yes there are. Will some people refuse to admit them of course. Do the issues happen to all M15x's NO they don't. It's been an extremely hit or miss with the M15x.

Does that mean the people who continually swear by them don't have the issues, or are they too much of a fanboy to admit they have them. And that is the question we will ever know.

Oh Koshin I have no idea how you can watch a movie on any planes with M15x. Did your hand get tired from holding the screen during light turbulence(the non seat belt stuff). I know my hand did.

So for those guys with great M15x's enjoy them.
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post #45 of 97
7/19/08 at 10:13am
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Originally Posted by Hammerhead View Post
... and then he recommends a Clevo, even though there is tons of data and even lawsuits over inadequate engineering with their hardware...
"Originally Posted by Eagle_Orion
If I recall correctly, some people had trouble with heating issues on their Sager laptops (among other bad things.) Is this a problem with workmanship on Sager's part? Or is it an inherit issue with certain Clevo designs?

Sager is the largest distributor of Clevo notebooks in North America - Clevo designs and manufactures the notebooks so if they are overheating it is their fault.
I would bet that the overheating comments you read referred to the Pentium 4-based machines. The fact is that all manufacturers, including Dell, HP, and so on, had heating problems with the Pentium 4 processor. It was a horrid notebook processor because it was never designed to be used in them."

Vigorgaming uses Clevo/Sager with c2d/quad c2d/exteme c2d, and apparently they have very high satisfaction ratings...
http://vigorgaming.com/
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post #46 of 97
7/19/08 at 10:23am
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Originally Posted by SoloMan View Post
Show us the numbers before making an argument for or against. Don't use hypothetical percentages.

m15x poll results (as of 7/19/08) [3 days into poll]

out of 27 votes:

55% have had no issues (15 votes)

45% have had issues regarding overheating,damage,downclocking after fix, etc. (12 votes)

Poll
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=273502
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post #47 of 97
7/19/08 at 10:28am
Yup it seems all over the net a lot of people are having issues with the M15x.

All except members here.
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post #48 of 97
7/19/08 at 10:53am
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Originally Posted by newfiejudd View Post
Yup it seems all over the net a lot of people are having issues with the M15x.

All except members here.
lol. It does seem that way, doesn't it. The m15x is only a few months or so old, If the issues alot of people are having are a manufacturing defect (as opposed to user created) then I am sure as the systems age through normal wear and tear there will be alot of disgruntled owners even here...
It's too bad though. The m15x is a nice rig, but for $4000 I'd expect alittle more than a 50-50 chance on getting a quality high-performance machine. Just my 2-cents.
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post #49 of 97
7/19/08 at 11:12am
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Originally Posted by rive0108 View Post
I have talked to some of the people over at http://www.notebookforums.com/forum27.html, and they are under the impression that those people here having issues reflect only a small percentage , and possibly with issues they caused themselves, and that there are no real issues with the m15x (not already fixed by Alienware).
I am thinking about getting a m15x, but would like an accurate percent of those having issues, and what those issues entail.

System Config with x9000 and 8800M GTX are apparently the ones with issues. These are the ones I am most interested in.

Please vote at poll above.ty

"milcs is by far blowing the problems out of proportion.

My m15x has no downclocking, overheating, cracking, hinges breaking, nor case melting issues.

I've had it for 4 months, I've taken it to class every day for 2 and a half months, I've taken it on the airplane from Los Angeles to Hawaii, then Hawaii to San Francisco, then San Francisco to London, then London to Cambridge, Cambridge to London, London to Washington DC, DC to Philadelphia, Philadelphia to Chicago, and finally Chicago back to Hawaii. In between these plane trips, I've driven it all over London, Vegas, Southern California and Philadephia.

I doubt there's anyone who's travelled as much with their m15x as I have, and it's in perfect condition still. And yes, I game maybe 40 hrs a week, which keeps the overall system temp at about 57C for long periods of time.

Oh, and I watch 5 hrs of movies / tv shows on it, full screened, on the long plane trips without using a power adapter..."

http://www.notebookforums.com/thread218956.html

This is not the way to take a poll. you changed direction in the middle of it with your disclaimer looking just for certain models.

You also tainted the results by quoting an on going debate between you and another member of the forum. That in it self shouts "I have an agenda please agree with me and shoot these people down by voting against them." That in it self brings out all who do have an issue with them and this forum just to slam them.

Also your break down of the numbers does not hold up your arguement about breakage. out of the votes you have 15 have no issues only 3 have breakage.

The arguements about overheating and other issues although valid were not your core concern. only after some had voted did you change the parameters which tosses your count out.

Put it simple either you do the poll without commentary or dont do one at all.
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post #50 of 97
7/19/08 at 11:38am
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my core concern is any issues not user created with the m15x.

Specific info regarding the extreme config has been removed from poll as it limits the poll responses from non-x9000/8800m GTX m15x owners who may be having issues, or not.
All issues with the m15x are combined together in the results- regardless of specific issue.
The info regarding the controversy over the m15x is pertinent I think, as it provides background. I seriously doubt those with agendas and slammers are a big enough group to affect the poll results significanty... if they exist at all.
Poll results are only 3 days old. Poll will continue for another week or two.
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post #51 of 97
7/19/08 at 11:49am
You did not ask for specific build originally. You are also relying on people who have had issues prior to any correction in assembly made as a result. There are a number of filters that you are not using in your poll. The verbage around it shows confusion about what you are looking for.

As a result your original post screams agenda.

Changing parameters is a sign of not knowing what you are doing. Like I said you create a poll without commentary and let those who want to take it do so without biased directions. By you changing them twice already your poll is moot.
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post #52 of 97
7/19/08 at 12:04pm
All I know is that my M15x was a complete lemon. And 2 of my co workers also returned their systems. Only one has managed to hang on. Mostly because he is an AW fanboy and won't give into pride.

So out of the 3 people I personally know, 3 of them have had issues. That is better then any POLL anyone could put together.
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post #53 of 97
7/19/08 at 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by SoloMan View Post
You did not ask for specific build originally. You are also relying on people who have had issues prior to any correction in assembly made as a result. There are a number of filters that you are not using in your poll. The verbage around it shows confusion about what you are looking for.

As a result your original post screams agenda.

Changing parameters is a sign of not knowing what you are doing. Like I said you create a poll without commentary and let those who want to take it do so without biased directions. By you changing them twice already your poll is moot.

I do not have an agenda- Just looking for accurate info regarding the quality of the m15x.

Change of existing parameters consisted only of adding the x9000/8800mgtx qualifier-which would have effectively limited the amount of poll responses- not increased them.
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post #54 of 97
7/19/08 at 12:16pm
Yes you do. The originator should just state the poll WITHOUT commentary, WITHOUT pictures and WITHOUT changing it every other day. Let everyone else taking it do the rest.

I am sure there are plenty out there INCLUDING AW who would like to see the "HONEST" results. Having the same four voices doesnt cut it, one input should be enough let others who have issues add theirs.

Its one thing to conduct a poll and another doing one on a soap box.
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post #55 of 97
7/19/08 at 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by newfiejudd View Post
All I know is that my M15x was a complete lemon. And 2 of my co workers also returned their systems. Only one has managed to hang on. Mostly because he is an AW fanboy and won't give into pride.

So out of the 3 people I personally know, 3 of them have had issues. That is better then any POLL anyone could put together.

Fine thats 75% failure rate. Three out of Four doesnt sound good. But were they first issue purchases or recent? Did you get your money back? And if you did why are you beating a dead dog?

Move on and get a life already.
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post #56 of 97
7/19/08 at 12:38pm
Wow Solomon. Take a downer man. And I have a great life. So don't worry about me.

The man asked for opinions so I offered mine. Just like your offering yours. Yes 2 of us got our money back teh other wasn't so lucky.

And I have I moved on. Yes I have. I remember why I don't post on this forum anymore. Mostly because of comments like yours. People are here to help and offer suggestions and fixes. Your comment isn't needed.

And I am happy for those that have fully working M15x's.
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post #57 of 97
7/19/08 at 12:47pm
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Originally Posted by SoloMan View Post
Fine thats 75% failure rate. Three out of Four doesnt sound good. But were theny first issue purchases or recent? Did you get your money back? And if you did why are you beating a dead dog?

Move on and get a life already.
Ouch dude. Kinda harsh don't ya think?
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post #58 of 97
7/19/08 at 3:06pm
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Originally Posted by rive0108 View Post
"Originally Posted by Eagle_Orion
If I recall correctly, some people had trouble with heating issues on their Sager laptops (among other bad things.) Is this a problem with workmanship on Sager's part? Or is it an inherit issue with certain Clevo designs?

Sager is the largest distributor of Clevo notebooks in North America - Clevo designs and manufactures the notebooks so if they are overheating it is their fault.
I would bet that the overheating comments you read referred to the Pentium 4-based machines. The fact is that all manufacturers, including Dell, HP, and so on, had heating problems with the Pentium 4 processor. It was a horrid notebook processor because it was never designed to be used in them."

Vigorgaming uses Clevo/Sager with c2d/quad c2d/exteme c2d, and apparently they have very high satisfaction ratings...
http://vigorgaming.com/
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So it's not Sager's fault that their Clevo notebooks overheat, so go ahead and buy a Clevo from Sager, cause it's not Sager's fault that your Clevo notebook will overheat...?
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post #59 of 97
7/19/08 at 3:09pm
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Originally Posted by rive0108 View Post
m15x poll results (as of 7/19/08) [3 days into poll]

out of 27 votes:

55% have had no issues (15 votes)

45% have had issues regarding overheating,damage,downclocking after fix, etc. (12 votes)

Poll
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=273502
LOL, very scientific.

You do realize of course that people that seek out forums when they have problems tend to be on forums that address problems...

Are you really suggesting that 45% of m15x laptops are defective?
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post #60 of 97
7/19/08 at 3:09pm
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Originally Posted by newfiejudd View Post
Yup it seems all over the net a lot of people are having issues with the M15x.

All except members here.
Seems to me there are people all over the net that are having problems with just about everything...
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