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post #21 of 40
Yes, you can go x64 ubuntu, but I personally am starting with x86 since that'll be enough on my plate without having to worry about the incompatibility issues associated with x64 of any OS.

Good luck.
post #22 of 40
Thread Starter 
Well... here's some results to analyze.

I downloaded the said Ubuntu verison (Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Desktop Edition - Supported to 2011.)

dr/owned, you said it's called LiveCD, which I assume means the OS runs from the CD itself?

Anyways, I completely installed Ubuntu and have my laptop sitting here with the ubuntu desktop (i'm on my mac laptop) loaded. After I installed Ubuntu it requested that I remove the CD. And in fact ubuntu booted right up without the cd.

I did not get shut down at any point during this process.

The fact I'm in an OS is amazing right now.

So, with the OS actually installed, does this mean my HDD is good?

I'm very tempted to get the XP copy and try it out.

Looking forward to a response.

Thanks
post #23 of 40
Well if Ubuntu completely installed (not just CD booting) then I'd have to assume whatever was causing XP to die during boot must have either corrected itself or temporary gone into hiding. I'm sure if I'm ill-speaking another user will correct me. I can't remember, but did you try an HDD and Memory test from the BIOS?

You might want to try this: http://apcmag.com/how_to_dual_boot_l...lled_first.htm So then you won't have to reinstall Ubuntu if something goes wrong. Plus Ubuntu is just a really cool OS to have anyways....to counterbalance the 10+ suck-factor of Vista. But, I'm a linux noob myself so if you run into issues someone else would have to help. I just installed Ubuntu using Wubi so it doesn't need a separate partition or anything (like storing an Ubuntu install in a single file)....works great for people like me that don't really plan on going "hardcore linux".

If you need to create an extra partition for XP to reside in, I suggest Acronis Disk Director (using their "Bootable Disc"), but perhaps ubuntu or the xp install supports disc partitioning. I just trust ADD more because it leaves current data alone for almost all operations.
post #24 of 40
Thread Starter 
I couldn't wait for a response, so I tried a fresh XP install.
(With a 64bit version to boot)

Upon first install it shuts down near the end of format.

second try at XP install, I receive a file error for a fie forgot to note at the time.

third install, no file error message and I choose quick format. nearing the end of the file copy from the XP disc the computer shuts down.

fourth try, the laptop shuts down again during file copy.

I will reinstall ubuntu and then try to dual boot.

frustration towards the laptop is peaking.

thanks dr/owned
post #25 of 40
Thread Starter 
Here is the new situation.

The XP install has reached the actual setup portion, the part after it copies all the files.

Now, it is crashing during this process.
Ubuntu still installed. I haven't finished the Ubuntu dual boot instructions, done with this for now.

But I know how to get back to Ubuntu.

Anyways, whats the deal with this laptop... Mind boggling.

let me know if anyone, anywhere, has any answers.

thanks
post #26 of 40
Are you sure it's not some problem with your XP disc? Perhaps a few files are being corrupted during the copy. Cause, IMO, it makes no sense that ubuntu would work gloriously and then XP would die. Is the disc scratched up? Is it an original disc (not cd-r)?

Yeah I know how frustrating it can be. I think in my computing lifetime I've reinstalled 98, 2000, XP, and Vista over 100 times total. I'm thinking another user needs to provide some backup here because the best idea I've got is a bad XP disc....in which case you could probably just torrent one or whatever, burn it, and use your legally purchased key. (I don't think it's illegal to download the disc since Microsoft has isos available on their servers for vista).
post #27 of 40
Thread Starter 
I appreciate all your help, yet I have to shoot down another effort.

I have tried literally all XP installations (XP Pro, XP-64bit, XP Media Center, and a copy of Vista).

All fail at some point. the latest test has shown minor improvements.

I installed Ubuntu again (flawlessly, again) and then tried to install windows on the pre partitioned drive thx to ubuntu.

It actually copied all the files and rebooted, ready to actually install something. Just as all my other attempts it crashes a few minutes after I get to the graphical install.

So, during all this I goto HP's free live chat support and try a new out sourced techie everyday, just to see what they say. Everytime they end up stumped and offering some rash form of repair. Like purchasing a new Laptop hard drive at a rediculous cost, while I know my hdd is functioning (maybe not properly, but still).

The funniest is when I type a giant paragraph explaining all this, then they wait a couple minutes and say....

Try installing XP on the Hard drive.

...lol

Does anyone have the recovery discs for the DV5224NR?

I was a dummy and didn't make these when I bought the laptop.

And I don't want to pay $25 for a set of discs that most likely wont fix this.

I would pay postage!
post #28 of 40
Oh, just use the live chat on HP and ask them to kindly send you one. Just say "i'm positive a restore disc would enable me to fix this problem, but the system wouldn't let me burn one when I got it from the factory and I didn't realize it'd be a problem until now". As long as you make it sound like you tried to burn the recovery discs, but failed, they'll send you one for free (they did for me) I should mention that I legitimately tried to burn the discs but I used a Sony disc which corrupted the burn and once the hp burner thinks you've created a copy it won't let you "redo" it even if it means the first copy failed verification.

If I were at my university right now i'd happily upload the disc to you at 2.7 mbytes/sec, but unfortunately it would take a decade on dial-up.

But, I couldn't get the system to actually recover when I tried using the discs. I would get into windows and everything then it would just get stuck in an infinite reboot loop when trying to install something.

Oh I have another idea. Try installing XP on another system or using Acronis True Image to copy an XP install from another system and use the Acronis boot disc to put that already-install on your laptop. It's worth a shot...basically a heart-transplant from one system to another. It makes 0 sense why ubuntu would work but nothing related to microsoft. It's possible that you do have a BIOS virus, which is why I would suggest the XP-transplant and then quick flashing your bios using the packages available from the hp driver site.

Or or or, you try using BartPE which I think is like a bootable XP disc to flash your bios from. Sorry for the "broken" english but I only got 6.5 hours of sleep last night and I'm a 10-hour-a-night kind of guy
post #29 of 40
Thread Starter 
The transplant is not possible as I do not know anyone with a similar laptop.

I am interested in trying the BartPE and will do so when I get home tonight.

As far as the BIOS virus idea goes... is there a bootable virus scanner that would detect a newer nasty BIOS virus.

And flashing the virus while using BartPE, I might need some guidance.
post #30 of 40
No, I was thinking trying a transplant from any system running XP (even a desktop). Yeah the drivers will be all screwy and whatnot, but It'd be a last-ditch effort.

To flash the bios from BartPE I don't think you need to do anything special . Just go to the hp driver page for your system and download the "bios" package to a flash drive....it's a 1-click run sort of thing. I don't see why it wouldn't work from a bootable XP disc. That would probably 99.9% sure wipe out a BIOS virus.

If this doesn't work I'm pretty much out of ideas sort of just sending the computer in for a mobo/bios chip replacement. It seems obvious to me that the virus wouldn't work on ubuntu but would only work on windows...which seems to be the case. I keep saying it, but it can't be a hardware issue if ubuntu runs fine. Man, your gf (ex?) must have done something insanely stupid to get it to this state.

Read this: http://blogs.microsoft.nl/tonykrijne.../20/11720.aspx

I assume you completely formated/wiped to get rid of the mbr in case something is hiding in there. If you didn't (I'm not sure if Acronis Disk Director would do it even), you could try this which would wipe the hdd to a completely clean state: http://www.dban.org/
post #31 of 40
Thread Starter 
yeah, I didn't get to try anything last night. Probably tonight I'll get back on that demon Laptop.

Whats weird is my gf doesn't do anything other than browse the web. She might have gotten a bad P2P file, since I've shown her how to download. But regardless, if it was through a major internet avenue there must be others with my problem out there screaming.

I got a good amount of things to try thanks to you, I'll report back in the next day or two.
post #32 of 40
Thread Starter 
I hate hitting the back button after typing an entire post... argh.

Anyways!!!

I gave the laptop another go today, trying to complete the XP64 install (it only had to finish the second half GUI part)... and

IT WORKED... IT FINSISHED COMPLETELY AND I'm IN XP!!!

WOW, I just don't understand.

After a month of nothing, it jsut works?

I have a couple follow up questions....

the screen resoluton seems to be 1024x768 max.

I remember the resolution being 1280 or so.

Any thoughts?
post #33 of 40
You have to install the proper video drivers. The out-of-the-box ones for mobile cards in XP are low-res 1024 max.
post #34 of 40
Thread Starter 
Well given the nature of my being, I naturally was curious to why this computer is not functioning properly...

After I got XP64 to work, got the video drivers corrected and everything seemed fine... except the audio. The damn drivers are not for XP64 and I couldn't find conexent or whatever driver is needed for XP64.

So I tempted the beast, and lost.

Tried to do a clean install of xp pro, and xp home to no avail.

So I feel dumb and frustrated again. So, I plan on grinding through this on my own for a few days again.

THERE MUST BE AN ANSWER!

my first priority is to reinstall ubuntu and then try installing XP, since ubuntu was one of the main differences between when it did nothing and actually made progress.

idiot out.
post #35 of 40
Yeah, you're definitely not an idiot about this. Frankly, I'm stumped myself about this. There is absolutely no reason that I can think of why you would be able to install everything BUT 32-bit XP.
post #36 of 40
Thread Starter 
I'm digging up this old thread to see if any new eyes have any ideas.

The HP is currently running w/ Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron and its using the wireless after a quick fix.

I would LOVE to understand why Linux works, but not any version of windows (xp, xp home, xp 64, Vista, Vista 64).

IF YOU THINK YOU ARE A COMPUTER MASTERMIND PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME!

Thank you
Peace
Matt
post #37 of 40
i dont understand your assumption that ubuntu works, and NONE of the windows version functions. What was the original OS that was being delivered with your OS? and was it functioning properly? Or are you telling us that you have this comp with NO OS at delivery?

back to your previous post, you had issue with audio. Did you try to search for the windows hight definition audio patch if you wanted XP?

cheers ...
post #38 of 40
Thread Starter 
Thanks for reading.

It is not an assumption that either Ubuntu works. It Is currently running flawlessly as I type.

The Computer was bought new a few years ago with media center. after a year I switched to XP and it stayed that way until the problem initially occurred. After trying to install nearly every possible version of windows I am left stumped. Linux is sweet, for me. But I want a computer with XP again so I can leave it here when I take this mac.

This is a tough one. I am always open for suggestions.

Thanks
post #39 of 40
. so you had XP for a while with no audio issue, working flawlessly.
. then you encountered the audio issue. What happened just before?
. as stated in my post, if you want XP again, have you tried all services pack? and search for the high audio defintion patch in order to get your audio device and driver to work correctly?

cheers ...
post #40 of 40
First off, I am aware that this is an old thread. But for the sake of all others that have to deal with this issue here is the answer to the original problem the computer has had...

If you do not regularly clean your computer fan, cpu cooler, intake (under computer) and the outlet of your DV5224nr, you WILL without any doubt have shutdown issues.

The processor gets too damn hot if its not clean inside and by default automatically shuts down to avoid irreversible damage. (I assume it is a failsafe of the cpu)

So the computer had "never" previously shut down on its own? Of course not. 2 reasons.

1. The dirt accumulation most likely has never reached the point of restricting airflow thru the cpu cooling fins. Now that it has, shutdowns will become more frequent.
2. Installing a full operating system is forcing the processor, HDD, and ram to an extreme test of their potential. During this little test, things get hot. And it shuts down.

If a hdd reformat, or installation of an operating system is interrupted, there is a good chance there is HDD fragmentation of some kind. If one of the steps fail, redo that step until it works proper.

I am saying this from first hand experience, as I am typing this on my DV5224nr. These steps need to happen:

1. Clean cooling system completely. You can try a shot of air, or shop vac to clear the system but you do run the possibility of damaging the cooling fan with these methods. It might sound intimidating, but the best way to find all the cooling system blockages is by opening up the case... all the way to the cpu... and cleaning it out.
2. Reformat and Install Operating System

And as an extra note, to avoid shutdowns on even the recently cleaned machine, plus some infopoints I have learned:

1. Use an additional cooling fan pad under the laptop. Less than 20.00 at target can save a month of faulty attempts.
2. Do not set it on any soft surface (such as bedding) and block the intake port under the computer. This will overheat the cpu and it will shut down.
3. Do not waste your time trying to load any 64 bit operating system on the Pavilion DV5224nr. There is no driver availiable (that I could ever find) to support the sound card.
4. Take a look at the bottom of the DV5224nr computer at the intake port for the cooling system. Notice you cant see any fan? It is there, but it seems to be a very important design flaw to not have the cooling fan in a location to utilize the port. Try to find a cooler pad that comes close to aligning with the port.

Good luck!
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