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post #21 of 52
11/3/08 at 1:33am
The Belkin Pre-N router is one of the best you can get for shear through put at range.
I had a Belkin PCMCIA Pre-N card still the best WIFI card I owned and if I Dell hadn't removed PCMCIA from their lappies I would still be using it.
The Dell 1500 and i4965 should connect at 108Mbps to the Pre-N router, if MIMO is working correctly.

I've got newer Broadcom (Dell based) drivers over at my place (see sig)
You could try one of those.
I've also made a modded INF for the drivers to enable everything that broadcom keeps hidden.
It is based on an older driver but works just fine on my Wifes Latitude D820 with the Dell 1500

If you want the best of both worlds router the Dlink DIR-855 should fit the bill nicely, it does 11n in A and G bands
I've got the DIR-655 and it's rock steady but only does 11n in G band so it would suit the i4965 nice as this only does 11n in A band.
I've also got a Buffalo Dual band 11n router but always end up using the Dlink.

Hope this helps.
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post #22 of 52
11/3/08 at 1:37am
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Originally Posted by ofelas View Post
OK, now I'm beginning to see the light...
So there's a MiniPCI card that actually does 11n in both A & G bands?
By the way, what router do y'all suggest to take advantage of all that stuff?
Something with 11n in both A & G bands as well as a built in GigaByte switch would be useful!
As above I would love a Dlink DIR-855, but here in NZ I would have to sell on of my Children to get one (tempting )
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post #23 of 52
11/3/08 at 5:00am
After a whole afternoon I think I've tracked down the problem. I was using a Bluetooth mouse (linksis > Dell) DH956 that was using up gobs of resources. I've removed the mouse and drivers and now have better d/l speeds. I'll do some more testing and see what I can find out. Also, I removed the original Dell Roxio software (the bluetooth and Roxio don't seem to play well together) it seemed to be creating a conflict as well. Here are the post (Roxio > DH956 results:
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post #24 of 52
11/3/08 at 5:05am
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Originally Posted by wfor1pilot View Post
After a whole afternoon I think I've tracked down the problem. I was using a Bluetooth mouse (linksis > Dell) DH956 that was using up gobs of resources. I've removed the mouse and drivers and now have better d/l speeds. I'll do some more testing and see what I can find out. Also, I removed the original Dell Roxio software (the bluetooth and Roxio don't seem to play well together) it seemed to be creating a conflict as well. Here are the post (Roxio > DH956 results:
Still running the 4965ABG....
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post #25 of 52
11/3/08 at 5:21am
Just found my Atheros WLAN based review here
132Mbps at 3m range down to 66Mbps at 20m
Real throughput tests (ie shifting data)

Also did a Dell 1500 test here
The Dell 1500 got to 56Mbps throughput quite sad really but I didn't have a Broadcom based WIFI router (still don't)

Would love to take the Ralink 11n card for a spin, not done a review/test in ages.
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post #26 of 52
11/4/08 at 2:30am
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Originally Posted by pieter View Post
Just found my Atheros WLAN based review here
132Mbps at 3m range down to 66Mbps at 20m
Real throughput tests (ie shifting data)

Also did a Dell 1500 test here
The Dell 1500 got to 56Mbps throughput quite sad really but I didn't have a Broadcom based WIFI router (still don't)

Would love to take the Ralink 11n card for a spin, not done a review/test in ages.
Thanks for the links. Just got in will sit down and read them. Considering the Atheros Gigabyte card at this point. But, would like to read all the info first. Appreciate your kindness in sharing all the info!!!

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post #27 of 52
11/4/08 at 3:23pm
I've got 2 more cards coming to test so in the next few weeks will do 2 more reviews.
One an Atheros 9280 Chipset and one a Ralink 2800 chipset based card
Sorry Ofelas both MiniPCIe

Potentially a very nice new Dual band USB key as well.
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post #28 of 52
11/5/08 at 4:16am
No time to work on the M1710 tonight. Just picked up a precision M90. Did one speed test (same Belkin pre-N router). M90 running a 3945ABG card (no idea which driver)? Here the results:

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post #29 of 52
11/5/08 at 4:26am
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Originally Posted by pieter View Post
The Belkin Pre-N router is one of the best you can get for shear through put at range.
I had a Belkin PCMCIA Pre-N card still the best WIFI card I owned and if I Dell hadn't removed PCMCIA from their lappies I would still be using it.
The Dell 1500 and i4965 should connect at 108Mbps to the Pre-N router, if MIMO is working correctly.

I've got newer Broadcom (Dell based) drivers over at my place (see sig)
You could try one of those.
I've also made a modded INF for the drivers to enable everything that broadcom keeps hidden.
It is based on an older driver but works just fine on my Wifes Latitude D820 with the Dell 1500

If you want the best of both worlds router the Dlink DIR-855 should fit the bill nicely, it does 11n in A and G bands
I've got the DIR-655 and it's rock steady but only does 11n in G band so it would suit the i4965 nice as this only does 11n in A band.
I've also got a Buffalo Dual band 11n router but always end up using the Dlink.

Hope this helps.
I clicked on the "sig" and got a page full of drivers > can you more specifically tell me which ones you (too many posters > don't know which one is you) refer to for the 1500N Dell card? Would definitly give them a try....

Thanks, Davis
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post #30 of 52
11/5/08 at 5:53am
I have the Broadcom (Dell 15xx) drivers here
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post #31 of 52
11/9/08 at 2:25am
I switched to a "two wire" Intel 3945ABG; Dell driver R171131 and my ping time was cut to a third and my d/l speed doubled. What gives ?

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post #32 of 52
11/9/08 at 2:41pm
All these tests are testing your Broadband not really WIFI.

So what speeds are you getting when you hook up with a LAN cable to your router ?
Or are you on a shared WIFI connection ?
The i3945 should be at over 50% utilization at that speed where as a 11n connection at the same speed should be about 10%

I get the same results at speed.net with either WIFI link or LAN cable to the modem.

What Broadband are you on you have a huge upload speed.
About 8x ADSL 2+ speed, I'm very jealous
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post #33 of 52
11/9/08 at 8:09pm
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Originally Posted by pieter View Post
All these tests are testing your Broadband not really WIFI.

So what speeds are you getting when you hook up with a LAN cable to your router ?
Or are you on a shared WIFI connection ?
The i3945 should be at over 50% utilization at that speed where as a 11n connection at the same speed should be about 10%

I get the same results at speed.net with either WIFI link or LAN cable to the modem.

What Broadband are you on you have a huge upload speed.
About 8x ADSL 2+ speed, I'm very jealous
Here's my primary rig:
Asus P5K3
Mushkin 4Gig DDR3
Intel 6750 @ 3.7 per core
Marvel gigabit LAN
EVGA 8800GT OC

Here are the "hard wired > cat 5" results:


That's running through the same Belkin pre-N. Upload speeds about the same as the M1710 but, the d/l speed is uber-fast!

My WiFi is secured > not shared, running only one wireless at a time when I test.
I'll hook up the M1710 wired to the Belkin later tonight to see what I can get with it "hard wired".
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post #34 of 52
11/9/08 at 10:27pm
Here are the results using the M1710 w/cat5 hard-wired strait to the router (internal wireless disabled):



Ping time > minimal, upload small improvement, d/l speed un-real!
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post #35 of 52
11/10/08 at 3:00am
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Originally Posted by pieter View Post
All these tests are testing your Broadband not really WIFI.

So what speeds are you getting when you hook up with a LAN cable to your router ?
Or are you on a shared WIFI connection ?
The i3945 should be at over 50% utilization at that speed where as a 11n connection at the same speed should be about 10%

I get the same results at speed.net with either WIFI link or LAN cable to the modem.

What Broadband are you on you have a huge upload speed.
About 8x ADSL 2+ speed, I'm very jealous
Yes but, if these test are just testing my Broadband why am I getting such a drop in transfer speeds with the 1500 Draft N? All of the prior tests were run WiFi solo. No hard wired internet connection.
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post #36 of 52
11/10/08 at 6:47am
I get the same speed with speednet whether I'm hooked up via CAT5 or WIFI.
The DSL speed varies hugely with each test, so very hard to do any real WFI tests with this.

What you could do is download a big file from a certain site (ie 100MB or so)
Now run the tests again with the WIFI and direct connection BUT see how fast the downloads go, either time them or watch the speed on the download.
The speeds/time should be the same for both WIFI and direct connection.
30Mbps should not be an issue for a WIFI connection unless you are going through wall/floors etc.

Ping time will no doubt be higher with WIFI as it has one more thing to negotiate.

You upload speed is still very impressive though, I want it
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post #37 of 52
11/20/08 at 9:58am
I got the Intel 5300 for my Xps M1710 works perfectly. Got the intel5300 as it seems better / newer as the 4965
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post #38 of 52
11/21/08 at 5:57am
You choose wisely
The i4965 does NOT do 11n in G band, the i5300 does.

I've got one coming from Canada too, and will include it in my speed test I'm about to with a few WLAN cards.
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post #39 of 52
12/6/08 at 3:16am
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Originally Posted by mrdoubleb View Post
I got the Intel 5300 for my Xps M1710 works perfectly. Got the intel5300 as it seems better / newer as the 4965
Can I ask which drivers you're using? Willing to try a 5300 card but, don't see any Dell drivers | are you using the Intel reference drivers?
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post #40 of 52
12/7/08 at 4:31am
Got my i5300 card but the drivers won't start
Looks like the i5300 doesn't like the i945 chipset as I tried on the D820 as well and same issue.

But I used the Intel drivers they are the latest.
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