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post #1 of 11
3/18/03 at 4:52am
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Hey,

I have a question, im looking to purchase a sager 8887 but not too sure what processor to pick i kinda want to take the 3.06GHz with HT because i want to keep it as current as i can since technology changes so often.

On the other hand there aren't any great increases yet as i know of with HT so would i be just wasting money by purchasing a P4 with HT.

Also what OS would be great, im thinking of getting Windows 2000, i was told that win 2000 and XP pro are kinda same with HT enabled.

I also read on anandtech that the TV tuner software wasn't that great, is there anyone that can prove him wrong because i really want to purchase this laptop but i wont if the features are working properly.


Thanks for your time.



Nuuuuts
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post #2 of 11
3/18/03 at 5:55am

Re: P4 Ht

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Originally posted by Nuuuuts
...i really want to purchase this laptop but i wont if the features are working properly....
That's OK, we know what you meant...

I have an 8887 fully loaded, and it is a great machine. I have not really used the TV-Tuner, as that was the last thing on the list I could ever want (I use a TiVo, which is so far superior to any tv-tuner-based system, it isn't funny). However, I got the 3.06GHz (and enabled HT) because that is what I really needed for what I wanted to do with this machine (DVD Authoring).

The built in wireless was also a big plus, as was the numeric keypad (I hadn't seen any laptop with this).

I think the 3.06GHz option is great, if it can pencil out for you, budget-wise, as it never hurts to go with the latest-and-greatest to keep the machine from being that much more obsolete in a few years (the great irony of the computer world).

I have heard it said that the only OS recommended by Sager for the 8887 is Windows XP. There are some who have put Windows 2000 on them (and some who say 2000 runs "cooler" than XP). This is personal preference. I use XP (got it pre-loaded, but re-installed it when I enabled HT - something that is not required with the newer ones).

-myrkat
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post #3 of 11
3/18/03 at 8:29am
Or you could do what I am doing - Purchase a non-HT 8887 and then upgrade it in the future when the HT processor(s) get cheaper. As Intel comes out with new chipsets and processors, the 3.06HT will be like MMX back in the day - expensive at its release then almost given away later on -OK, maybe not that bad, but it will go down.

Jeff
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post #4 of 11
3/18/03 at 12:51pm
Tivo = God.

I wonder if they'll make official tivo computer software for generic capt. cards.

Gumpan
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post #5 of 11
3/18/03 at 2:23pm
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Originally posted by BazooDJG
Tivo = God.

I wonder if they'll make official tivo computer software for generic capt. cards.

Gumpan
Nope. TiVo is a nice *nix box (think it's a BSD-based, but could be a custom linux) that is intertwined with it's hardware.

I know there are lots of nice hacks out there (like getting a BASH prompt and networking), but the file format is proprietary, and converters to AVI/MPG are rare and frowned upon (because even the best TiVo hackers respect the company and wish it to thrive).

-myrkat
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post #6 of 11
3/18/03 at 2:26pm
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Originally posted by JeffinFlorida
Or you could do what I am doing - Purchase a non-HT 8887 and then upgrade it in the future when the HT processor(s) get cheaper. As Intel comes out with new chipsets and processors, the 3.06HT will be like MMX back in the day - expensive at its release then almost given away later on -OK, maybe not that bad, but it will go down.

Jeff
This option is very expensive, as you are buying two processors. Unless you can re-use or sell the original, slower processor, it only ADDS to the cost of the 3.06 (if/when its price drops). Therefore, to truly benefit from this, the 3.06 price has to come down at least as much as the cost of the processor you have chosen.

Now all that time waiting for the 3.06 to come down, you will not be able to take advantage of the faster HT-enabled processor (should you really need it) and when it does come down, there will probably be 4-5GHz chips out that the "latest" games will want to use.

It's a tough call, if you do not need 3.06 and HT, then get a cheaper CPU by all means. However, if you want it, get it. That simple.

-myrkat
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post #7 of 11
3/18/03 at 2:28pm
Ebay is your friend. lol

jeff
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post #8 of 11
3/18/03 at 2:36pm
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Originally posted by JeffinFlorida
Ebay is your friend. lol

jeff
Ah, yes. True. I did not think about that (I don't typically use ebay, but it definately is a good option).

-myrkat
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post #9 of 11
3/18/03 at 4:03pm
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Thanks guys for all the replys, i didn't expect so many so quick.

I think im gonna go with the 3.06 HT with XP Pro. Fully loaded.

What speed does the motherboard handle up to? Im guessing that you can't do a 2.8 and then upgrade a year or so later putting in a 4.0?

Does that work that way?


Well just asking cause im curious, if it does work that way then i could go with the 3.06 and then put in a new processor a couple of years later? correct.


Thanks


Nuuuuts
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post #10 of 11
3/18/03 at 4:08pm
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Originally posted by Nuuuuts
...Well just asking cause im curious, if it does work that way then i could go with the 3.06 and then put in a new processor a couple of years later?...
This is a good question. I do not recall seeing if this was addressed before. I do not know what the motherboard is capable of doing, however, I do know what Intel is capable of doing - and that is changing the pin-layout of it's CPU's in order to force people to upgrade their mobo's and (usually) memory.

It's not terribly bad to do this, but it definately does not help those looking at upgrade paths as TCO issues...

-myrkat
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post #11 of 11
3/21/03 at 5:56am
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If HT is enabled on a P4 3.06Ghz is it possible to just disable it and re-enable later?

To disable HT would just go into the bios and disable it, is it as simple as that?

Thank you very much



Nuuuuts
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