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post #41 of 64
12/13/09 at 2:25pm
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Originally Posted by Obmij View Post
So true. I was surprised when Dell eventually offered the unlocked T7600G CPU as an option for the M1710. I finally found a new one for my M1710, but was very disappointed that I couldn't run it above 2.667Ghz without fans maxing out constantly and unwanted temps. With Windows 7 I can run it at 2.8Ghz but the fans still have to run wide open too often and temps are still higher than I like for component longevity. Yes sir, the cooling system is certainly adequate for normal operations, but that's about it.

Cheers!
And that's all it was designed for... normal operations. I have an m1710 myself with "only" a T7200, and i have to keep i8kfangui maxed out to keep the cpu and gpu under threshold, even after cleaning and reapplying AS5, and then blasting all of the dust out. It's a nightmare getting into there to do that! When i play games like GTR:Evolution on it, if i attempt to put the game to its desired setting, what happens is it stutters because heat cannot escape in time. It's just an inherently flawed design.
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post #42 of 64
12/13/09 at 2:32pm
Have you guys ever heard the acronyms for say cars? Ford/ fix or repair daily/ found on road dead? Fiat/ fix it again Tony. Pontiac/ poor old nixxxr thinks it's a Cadillac. Well DeLL is / death enclosure limited lifespan.

DeLL's are good standard notebooks they are not high end by any stretch. Clevo's they are not. HP's have issues also. So do Asus but at least they are pushing performance somewhat.
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post #43 of 64
12/13/09 at 2:45pm
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Have you guys ever heard the acronyms for say cars? Ford/ fix or repair daily/ found on road dead? Fiat/ fix it again Tony. Pontiac/ poor old nixxxr thinks it's a Cadillac. Well DeLL is / death enclosure limited lifespan.

DeLL's are good standard notebooks they are not high end by any stretch. Clevo's they are not. HP's have issues also. So do Asus but at least they are pushing performance somewhat.
I LOVE that DELL acronym.

I don't have one for sager, but i call their gaming rigs "the little engines that shouldn't"
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post #44 of 64
12/13/09 at 3:36pm
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And that's all it was designed for... normal operations. I have an m1710 myself with "only" a T7200, and i have to keep i8kfangui maxed out to keep the cpu and gpu under threshold, even after cleaning and reapplying AS5, and then blasting all of the dust out. It's a nightmare getting into there to do that! When i play games like GTR:Evolution on it, if i attempt to put the game to its desired setting, what happens is it stutters because heat cannot escape in time. It's just an inherently flawed design.
I had a T7200 in mine before I found the T7600G. I don't believe your experience is typical. A T7200 (2.0Ghz, I believe) should run under load easily. Of course, the GPU definitely adds to the heat stress when gaming. My M1710 has run flawlessly in Thailand under high ambient temperatures with high humidity;especially horrible conditions for a laptop to endure. I've run M$'s Flight Simulator for hours and hours using dual screens with no issues with the T7600G. Of course the GPU is taxed using dual monitors. I do have I8fanGUI to turn CPU fan on high when GPU temps elevate. I also use my M1710 as a workstation designing huge complex 3D models with Solidworks which also taxes the CPU and GPU. The only issue I've encountered was maxing out the video ram on a highly detailed house project. Other than that it has worked as it should for 3 years. Now that I'm back in the U.S. with much cooler ambient temps my fans stay at 2500/2600 rpms when not gaming or modeling. I would definitely look into why your system is maxing out when it shouldn't be.

Cheers!
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post #45 of 64
12/13/09 at 4:58pm
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I had a T7200 in mine before I found the T7600G. I don't believe your experience is typical. A T7200 (2.0Ghz, I believe) should run under load easily. Of course, the GPU definitely adds to the heat stress when gaming. My M1710 has run flawlessly in Thailand under high ambient temperatures with high humidity;especially horrible conditions for a laptop to endure. I've run M$'s Flight Simulator for hours and hours using dual screens with no issues with the T7600G. Of course the GPU is taxed using dual monitors. I do have I8fanGUI to turn CPU fan on high when GPU temps elevate. I also use my M1710 as a workstation designing huge complex 3D models with Solidworks which also taxes the CPU and GPU. The only issue I've encountered was maxing out the video ram on a highly detailed house project. Other than that it has worked as it should for 3 years. Now that I'm back in the U.S. with much cooler ambient temps my fans stay at 2500/2600 rpms when not gaming or modeling. I would definitely look into why your system is maxing out when it shouldn't be.

Cheers!
I don't know what it is either, however I rarely use it, and it's relegated to the gaming machine my little sisters use when they don't want to use their HP DV2000 (The record low scorer on Passmark 7). It runs big circles around their DV2000, but it just runs hot when gaming. Perhaps I got too acquainted to the functionality over form the sagers give. (For reference, my P9700 / 8GB / SSD loaded NP8662, when idle is about 26c; the m1710 idles, fans at full blast, at 37c.)

I think it's in good part due to design.

Jason
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post #46 of 64
12/13/09 at 6:36pm
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I don't know what it is either, however I rarely use it, and it's relegated to the gaming machine my little sisters use when they don't want to use their HP DV2000 (The record low scorer on Passmark 7). It runs big circles around their DV2000, but it just runs hot when gaming. Perhaps I got too acquainted to the functionality over form the sagers give. (For reference, my P9700 / 8GB / SSD loaded NP8662, when idle is about 26c; the m1710 idles, fans at full blast, at 37c.)

I think it's in good part due to design.

Jason
Nope, you got some other problem going on or your unit's vents are blocked in some way or it's on carpet, bedding, etc. soft surface. I set my CPU speed to 2.33 Ghz (can't go lower to match your T7200) with temps/fans while I'm typing this as follows: CPU: 32c and 2500 rpms, GPU: 36c and 2600 rpms. Ambient room temp is around 68~70 degrees F. Your M1710 idling at 37c is normal, but fans shouldn't be at max. Of course, it depends how you have temp thresholds set. Your P9700 must have active cooling (Peltier, phase change?) to achieve 26c (79 degrees F), which is only around 10~12 degrees F over normal household ambient temps. That's extraordinary and I know of no air-only cooling system that can match that, especially in a laptop, unless you're using it in a chilled room. Either that or you're getting fraudulent readings from your temp sensor. Anyway, good luck with it and enjoy the P9700 which seems to be an above average laptop.

Cheers!
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post #47 of 64
12/13/09 at 11:11pm
A peltier....right. *That's probably the smog and blow talking*
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post #48 of 64
12/13/09 at 11:21pm
Blow? Share.
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post #49 of 64
1/14/10 at 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by Obmij View Post
Nope, you got some other problem going on or your unit's vents are blocked in some way or it's on carpet, bedding, etc. soft surface. I set my CPU speed to 2.33 Ghz (can't go lower to match your T7200) with temps/fans while I'm typing this as follows: CPU: 32c and 2500 rpms, GPU: 36c and 2600 rpms. Ambient room temp is around 68~70 degrees F. Your M1710 idling at 37c is normal, but fans shouldn't be at max. Of course, it depends how you have temp thresholds set. Your P9700 must have active cooling (Peltier, phase change?) to achieve 26c (79 degrees F), which is only around 10~12 degrees F over normal household ambient temps. That's extraordinary and I know of no air-only cooling system that can match that, especially in a laptop, unless you're using it in a chilled room. Either that or you're getting fraudulent readings from your temp sensor. Anyway, good luck with it and enjoy the P9700 which seems to be an above average laptop.

Cheers!
Don't forget you have a FX 2500 for a graphics card. It should run cooler than a 7950 GTX no? My M1710 would never idle at 37* even if I put in the freezer.
I've heard of a few M1710s lasting 3 years + but it is rare ... count yourself lucky I guess.
good luck!
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post #50 of 64
1/21/10 at 12:07pm
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Hi Doxx,

Yes, I would think the FX2500 would idle a bit cooler than a 7950 GTX since it is clocked lower. I unlocked my FX2500 way back when and cranked it up but there wasn't enough benefit for the added heat so I dropped it back to stock settings. I swap between Windows 7 and XP fairly often and there is a major difference in idle temps, Windows 7 always being lower. You're also spot on that M1710 is long in the tooth and maybe I am lucky to have one still kicking but I've always been temperature conscious which lead to starting this thread to hopefully help others.

Cheers!
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post #51 of 64
5/27/10 at 10:28pm
Priceless... Here I am, just having 'upgraded' my old Gen2 for a semi-sparkling M1710...
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post #52 of 64
5/28/10 at 12:12am
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Originally Posted by Doxx View Post
Don't forget you have a FX 2500 for a graphics card. It should run cooler than a 7950 GTX no? My M1710 would never idle at 37* even if I put in the freezer.
I've heard of a few M1710s lasting 3 years + but it is rare ... count yourself lucky I guess.
good luck!
They are physically NO different cards. One is just clocked higher, if you have powermiser on they'll have identical idle temps. PS. mine WITH powermiser idle is at 43C and without is at 59C. It's possibly windows 7 is just better at enabling this properly compared to xp, but it really isn't hard to do manually.
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post #53 of 64
5/28/10 at 1:12am
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Originally Posted by matchbox2022 View Post
They are physically NO different cards. One is just clocked higher, if you have powermiser on they'll have identical idle temps. PS. mine WITH powermiser idle is at 43C and without is at 59C. It's possibly windows 7 is just better at enabling this properly compared to xp, but it really isn't hard to do manually.
Actually, they are slightly different. The 7950GTX/FX3500m cards use faster spec memory than the 7900GTX/FX2500m, which allows them to clock faster at cooler temps.

Yes, Windows 7 definitely incorporates some great idle condition improvements. My GPU idle temps are up to 10 degrees Celsius cooler here in the tropics than my XP installation that I have on a separate hard drive tray and still use occasionally. Even my girlfriends 9200 with Windows 7 will auto downclock the CPU from 2Ghz to 600Mhz when idle. Unfortunately, my factory unlocked T7600G in my M1710 will not downclock at idle. It may be because of the manual clock setting in the bios.

Cheers
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post #54 of 64
5/28/10 at 1:46am
You sure about that? I always thought according to photos specs and physically having both cards on hand to see that they were the same. The memory on mine looked identical too. Might grab a 2nd look just incase, but Im pretty sure they just labelled it 7950 gtx if they could clock the memory that fast and anything that failed was labelled 7900 gs.
Might take a look this weekend to be certain, but I am certain that the number of transitors and the gpu itself is definately just from failed stress tested 7950s. therefore, it would make sense to test entire chips once made and not the memory individually and if anything failed a clock test for premiums it would be marketed on a more affordable level. That's just my logic, so even IF they were different brands, they really should be identical spec wise.

And Rmclock or notebookhardware control will set it up so the t7600 can downclock. Pretty sure at least nhc works in windows 7. I can go as low as a ghz or even an effective 166mhz. Though you can't do shat at that level.
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post #55 of 64
5/28/10 at 2:42am
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Yes, I'm absolutely positive. The faster spec'd memory was one of the selling points Nvidia touted during the FX3500m introduction over the FX2500m way back in 2006. Memory was also a lower power spec. Been so long now I'm not sure if Nvidia actually changed to another memory brand or not to achieve it. I'm sure some Googling would confirm it.

Thanks for the tips for the mem downclocking utilities. I'll give them a look.

Cheers!
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post #56 of 64
5/28/10 at 2:55am
Ok dokey, I'll take it at face value.

Edit: Just physically looked and well.....they still look the same to me, but again maybe they are physically the same with one just having snappier ram AND clocked higher. Also those utilities don't downclock ram, only the cpu. for ram.....ummm, use the bios :P or for vram just use rivatuner, but im sure u know that already. :P (Y)
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post #57 of 64
5/28/10 at 3:21am
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...Also those utilities don't downclock ram, only the cpu. for ram.....ummm, use the bios :P or for vram just use rivatuner, but im sure u know that already. :P (Y)
OUCH!!!! All this memory banter must have affected mine! Yes, CPU downclocking...that's it.

Thanks!
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post #58 of 64
5/28/10 at 3:23am
mhm! is it morning time overthere in thailand?
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post #59 of 64
5/28/10 at 3:27am
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mhm! is it morning time overthere in thailand?
As I type this it is 1:27 PM. There is no daylight savings time here so we're 12 hours ahead of Eastern Standard time. I tell you, it's HELL keeping up with the stock market!
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post #60 of 64
5/28/10 at 3:53am
Haha, how does stocks treat you? pretty good? any advice?
it's totally midnight here. bout to sleep and do lab shat tommorow!
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