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Buffed 5797, or wait for Clarksfield models?

post #1 of 23
2/23/09 at 12:45am
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My 3790 needs to be retired. I'm so close to pulling the trigger on a 5797 with maxed out components, but I'm now starting to think perhaps I should wait for the mobile version of the Core i7 to come out. Any idea when Sager will be releasing a Clarksfield-powered notebook? Any thoughts on what such a rig would give me, in terms of gaming performance, over a maxed out 5797? I don't think I can wait until 2010...
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post #2 of 23
2/23/09 at 1:07am
Advantages of notebook on Calpella platform vs. current Montevina platform:
  • Significantly more CPU performance per clock cycle (based on desktop comparisons of Core 2 vs. Core i7)
  • Enhanced video performance via ATI 4800 series or Nvidia GTX 180M series graphics cards
  • An integrated memory controller allowing much more memory bandwidth to be utilized than current systems
  • The chance of future upgradeability as newer CPUs are released

All in all, if you've got the kind of money to max out a 5797, I think you'd be much happier with a Calpella-based system with a Clarksfield CPU. Intel seems to be aiming for mid to late summer 2009 for the mobile platform release.
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post #3 of 23
2/23/09 at 3:00am
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Dang, I was worried you were going to say that; that's a long time to wait.

I know any answer you might give will be total speculation, but do you think whatever Clevo (and therefore Sager) comes out with will use the 5797 chassis, the 9262 chassis, or something completely new? Any thoughts as to how long after the release of the Calpella-Clarksfield sets I'd be able to buy this supposed Sager?

How much do you think such a system will cost? Right now I can get a maxed 5797 for $3,300.
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post #4 of 23
2/23/09 at 3:16pm
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Originally Posted by Monkton View Post
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Dang, I was worried you were going to say that; that's a long time to wait.

I know any answer you might give will be total speculation, but do you think whatever Clevo (and therefore Sager) comes out with will use the 5797 chassis, the 9262 chassis, or something completely new? Any thoughts as to how long after the release of the Calpella-Clarksfield sets I'd be able to buy this supposed Sager?

How much do you think such a system will cost? Right now I can get a maxed 5797 for $3,300.
I think it's very doubtful that you could swap a motherboard with the Calpella chipset into an existing chassis, if that's what you're asking.

I would expect models to be available around July - pretty close to launch.

And notebook prices have been slowly but steadily decreasing over the last few years, so I would expect a similar price point compared to existing models.
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post #5 of 23
2/24/09 at 12:13pm
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Nah - I was just wondering what it'll look like. I'm also wondering if it'll have room for SLI or Crossfire cards. I almost hope not - I don't think I could afford that much of a monster machine.

Thanks Djembe.
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post #6 of 23
2/25/09 at 2:15pm
Okay, this Clarksfield is new to me. What is it?
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post #7 of 23
2/25/09 at 3:08pm
Clarksfield is the code name of Intel's upcoming quad-core mobile processor. It's a Nehalem-based part and will run with the upcoming Calpella chipset. I haven't been able to find much about frequency ranges, but based on current CPUs and Intel's typical progress, I'd expect them to range from 1.66-2.66 Ghz or so, the highest one most likely being labeled "extreme" and costing way too much
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post #8 of 23
2/26/09 at 12:17am
Sound like yum!
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post #9 of 23
3/8/09 at 11:29pm
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Dang. I had all but decided to wait out the release of the Calpella rigs, but now the 280M gpu is standard on the 5797. It's a tougher call, now. This is especially so when I keep reading that Intel is delaying release of the Calpella until late summer/fall. I don't know how much longer I can hold out using that rig in my sig...
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post #10 of 23
3/11/09 at 12:19am
Latest on Clarksfield:

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Regarding the Clarksfield processor, we will begin offering it as soon as Intel makes an offical announcement introducing them
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post #11 of 23
3/11/09 at 3:41am
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Wonder when that will be. Sounds like not until late summer / fall. Dang Intel. At least, assuming that message was from Sager, we know Sager's going to be getting their Calpella-rigged notebooks out the door as soon as they can
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post #12 of 23
3/13/09 at 4:50am
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Originally Posted by Monkton View Post
My 3790 needs to be retired. I'm so close to pulling the trigger on a 5797 with maxed out components, but I'm now starting to think perhaps I should wait for the mobile version of the Core i7 to come out. Any idea when Sager will be releasing a Clarksfield-powered notebook? Any thoughts on what such a rig would give me, in terms of gaming performance, over a maxed out 5797? I don't think I can wait until 2010...

from the benchmarks I have seen I cant say that I7 is worth waiting for but that is from a desktop parts testing. DDR3 is certainly nothing to write home about either, I would say go for the 5797, there's always something new in six months to a year ofcourse, you will get a much better deal on the current gen than the next gen as for video cards well ......nvidia plays around alot with REBADGING so dont get too impressed with a soo called next gen mobile graphics card. besides.....you can always buy another one in 2010
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post #13 of 23
3/19/09 at 5:03am
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So you don't think the performance and other benefits, as outlined by Djembe above, are worth a +/- 6 month wait? I'll grant that is a loooong wait when you've made the decision to upgrade your computer. I want whatever I buy to last me 3 years, during which I don't want to be wishing I'd held out for the Calpella...
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post #14 of 23
3/19/09 at 12:13pm
anything you buy now would last three years. Clarksfield wont offer anything outrageous that supports the platform that won't run on any other new technology.
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post #15 of 23
3/19/09 at 11:48pm
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If I do pull the trigger on the 5797 - what are peoples' thoughts on the X9100 processor vs the QX9300? The most cpu-intensive programs I'll be running will be games. I don't use CAD, don't edit video, etc. Will the 4 cores at a slightly lower clock rate but with the 12MB L2 give me anything the higher-clocked 2 cores will? Apparently games still aren't being written to fully utilize multiple cores, but will that change over the next few years?
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post #16 of 23
3/20/09 at 12:28am
For most games, you're likely to get better performance from a higher-clocked dual-core processor than a lower-clocked quad-core processor, since most games aren't optimized for quad-cores yet. On the other hand, the more quad-cores become mainstream, the more games will utilize them. It's hard to say exactly when that will happen, though.
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post #17 of 23
3/20/09 at 12:29am
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Thanks for checking in, Djembe. Back to the original question - do you still think the wait for Calpella is worth it?
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post #18 of 23
3/20/09 at 1:17am
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Originally Posted by Monkton View Post
Thanks for checking in, Djembe. Back to the original question - do you still think the wait for Calpella is worth it?
Now that some of the new video cards are out, it may not make that much of a difference. If you're thinking of a machine to last you 3 years, then current tech would probably work fine. Since you've had your 3790 for 5 years now, I thought that was the time period you were going for, and for a 5-year notebook, I think Calpella would be worth waiting for.
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post #19 of 23
3/20/09 at 2:24am
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Yeah, I bought the 3790 when I headed back to school and kept it while job hunting afterwards. I'm thinking I should be able to upgrade more freely from now on. Although, I'm also married now, so in theory I should be behaving more "responsibly" when it comes to household finances...

Sager should put out a system specifically for married guys, where the chassis stays exactly the same through each generation of upgrades. That way guys can buy new systems at will and their wives will never know. It'll need to have a pre-worn palmrest, and maybe some debris in between the keys. Call it the Shrew-Proof system.
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post #20 of 23
3/20/09 at 2:28am
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Originally Posted by Monkton View Post
Yeah, I bought the 3790 when I headed back to school and kept it while job hunting afterwards. I'm thinking I should be able to upgrade more freely from now on. Although, I'm also married now, so in theory I should be behaving more "responsibly" when it comes to household finances...

Sager should put out a system specifically for married guys, where the chassis stays exactly the same through each generation of upgrades. That way guys can buy new systems at will and their wives will never know. It'll need to have a pre-worn palmrest, and maybe some debris in between the keys. Call it the Shrew-Proof system.
I think Dell's actually done the closest thing to that with the 9200 / 9300 / 9400 / XPS M170 / XPS M1710
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