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Full List of ODMs.... everyone has a notebook by one of these 10

Poll Results: What ODM does your Notebook come from? Use the ODM thread for help

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 2% (1)
    Arima
  • 17% (7)
    ASUS
  • 23% (9)
    Clevo
  • 17% (7)
    Compal
  • 5% (2)
    ECS
  • 2% (1)
    FIC
  • 10% (4)
    MITAC
  • 5% (2)
    Quanta
  • 12% (5)
    Uniwill
  • 2% (1)
    Wistron
39 Total Votes  
post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 
Arima
Asus
Clevo
Compal
ECS
FIC
Micat
Quanta
Uniwill
Wistron

I know there's been an ODM list, but I don't think it was this extensive... I beleive that I'm 95% correct saying that these are the ONLY 10 ODM's in the world...... ALL IN TAIWAN.

Lets get a poll going to see who's got what.

steve
post #2 of 28
How bout fujitsu.... who makes their notebooks? More specificaly, the P5000
post #3 of 28
Thread Starter 
ah...... i don't think so. I could be wrong, but... I know that asus makes their pocket pcs.... I think they are too much into every sort of product over there to be an ODM for notebooks... I know they make awesome notebook screens and good hard drives...

I just don't know. I'd ask for proof, but the only way we could even argue is if we can find other fujitsu examples that are made by someone else..... or, other notebooks that we can't find an ODM for, that resemble fujitsu...

It's late, excuse me.

s
post #4 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBoston4831

It's late, excuse me.

s
Haha.. yeah your post isnt really structured correctly.....


Dont worry about it.. it definetely is late.

BTW ill try to find out who the ODM is for the Fujitsus.
post #5 of 28
Thread Starter 
thanks, do that.... it's hard as anything if they are good at hiding it....... there is always news on slashdot or someplace about dell and apple using wistron and quanta and compal and clevo for LCD screens and such...

At the same time I've heard many quality ODM's don't even want someone to know who they build for, because of quality issues they can't control.... but the final company, such as... whoever, wants to save a cent here and there so their CEO's have enough money to buy that 4 engine lear jet instead of just 2.

night
post #6 of 28
The world of OEM and beyond

This site gives you a general idea of which Taiwanese manufacturers have contracts with certain notebook brands, though you can't always tell who is making a specific model.

I don't know about the Fujitsu Ps (saw your post on LeoG too ). I also wonder if Panasonic makes any of their own Y, W or R series. And if not, who does?

That site has plenty of mention of Fujitsu-Siemens with Uniwill, Wistron and Compal orders, but I think Fujitsu-Siemens are primarily bigger (14-15") European-market models.

This is the only mention of Fujitsu (without the -Siemens):

Quote:
Fujitsu Pocket PC PDAs

Fujitsu plans to place its first pocket PC PDA order with TW manufacturers, ordering 50K units this year. In total, Fujitsu plans to buy US$857.14M worth of IT products from Taiwan this year, including NB (150K, from Quanta and Compal)
That seems to indicate at least some of the Fujitsu models are made by Quanta and Compal. As to which specific models they produce, I have no idea. ("NB" = notebooks)

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Here are few links I found, indicating that some of the Japanese brand notebook models (including Fujitsu) are actually made in Japan or other countries (such as China) in Japanese-owned factories. Of course, they are also shifting towards buying more and more from Taiwanese ODMs.

Japan PC makers to boost global notebook shipments

Quote:
To reach its output goals, Toshiba started up one of the world's largest notebook PC plants in Hangzhou, China, in April.

Fujitsu is building up its notebook PC production capacity at a domestic affiliate while NEC is increasing output of its products by a Taiwan-affiliated PC maker, which produces computers in China on order from outside firms.
Toshiba must shut German, U.S. PC plants, analysts say

Quote:
Toshiba makes 75 percent to 80 percent of its PCs at its own plants in Tokyo, the Philippines, China, the U.S. and Germany, Toshiba spokeswoman Junko Furuta said. The company also buys PCs from Taiwan makers including Compal to sell under the Toshiba brand.
Toshiba reorganizes laptop production

Quote:
The Japanese manufacturer currently outsources 10 percent of its notebook PC production to Taiwan and a report said earlier it would raise the amount to 30 percent.

Under a new business strategy, Toshiba aimed to save about 8.0 billion yen in notebook PC production costs a year. Higher-end models would be made at its own factories in Tokyo, the Philippines and China.
Toshiba to Move More Notebook PC Output to China to Cut Costs

Quote:
Toshiba now manufactures around 3.5 million notebook computers, or more than 70% of its total output, in Japan, China and the Philippines. The rest is outsourced to manufacturers in Taiwan.

To start, all in-house production in the Philippines will be shifted to China. The PC production line at the Philippine factory, which turns out around 2 million units a year, will be shut down.

Toshiba's Ome facility in Tokyo, which manufactured roughly 700,000 units last fiscal year, will gradually scale back its production, shifting to specialize in product development and prototype creation.

Toshiba will also increase its outsourcing of production to Taiwanese companies from the current 30% to around 40%. This will enable the electronics giant to hold down risks related to concentrating production in China.
China Outpaces Taiwan to Become Largest Notebook PC Maker

Quote:
China is projected to replace Taiwan as the world's largest notebook PC production base by the end of this year. Notebook PC production in China has grown hugely over the last 12 to 18 months with most of the major foreign notebook PC makers either completing or starting the relocation of their production plants to China.

"The estimated output from those foreign-owned plants in China could reach 20 million units in 2003. Assuming the worldwide notebook PC market reaches 36 million units in 2003, this means that China will produce more than 50% of the total worldwide volume this year," said Ann Bird, the China market analyst at IMS Research. "The foreign-owned notebook PC plants in China are mainly set up by the Taiwanese."

According to the IMS Report, despite the relocation of production to China and the huge growth in production volumes, there is still no strong intention of relocating notebook PC R&D operations to China, at least for now.

"It is predicted that some basic design work for notebook PCs will move to mainland China in the short term, but leading edge design and overall control will remain in the company headquarters, most of which are in Taiwan."
post #7 of 28
You forgot Aopen and Flamingo.
post #8 of 28
post #9 of 28
Thread Starter 
tadpole looks like it could be mitac........ mitac makes acer and one of those notebooks looks like it got a round directional pad.... thats been the key to mictacs for a while I believe.

The other thing is, panasonics toughbooks are FOR SURE Mitacs...... mitac has those breifcase noteboooks right on their site with the panasonic logo swapped for theirs....

The OEM's are usually easy to spot from ODM's because they usually have their hands in a LOT more and are a lot BETTER known..... Panasonic, Sony, Toshiba, LG, Sharp
post #10 of 28
Thread Starter 
The funniest thing... which is not for notebooks, but desktops..... I thought lite-on was a piece of junk, then I found out, Sony, Pioneer, Asus, all use lite-on cd-roms..... I think asus might make a couple of their own. This is only for desktops I notice.
post #11 of 28
the Tadpoles do look nifty, ultrasparc laptop or opteron laptop, choices choices
post #12 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by bloke
The world of OEM and beyond

This site gives you a general idea of which Taiwanese manufacturers have contracts with certain notebook brands, though you can't always tell who is making a specific model.

I don't know about the Fujitsu Ps (saw your post on LeoG too ). I also wonder if Panasonic makes any of their own Y, W or R series. And if not, who does?

That site has plenty of mention of Fujitsu-Siemens with Uniwill, Wistron and Compal orders, but I think Fujitsu-Siemens are primarily bigger (14-15") European-market models.

This is the only mention of Fujitsu (without the -Siemens):



That seems to indicate at least some of the Fujitsu models are made by Quanta and Compal. As to which specific models they produce, I have no idea. ("NB" = notebooks)

---

Here are few links I found, indicating that some of the Japanese brand notebook models (including Fujitsu) are actually made in Japan or other countries (such as China) in Japanese-owned factories. Of course, they are also shifting towards buying more and more from Taiwanese ODMs.

Japan PC makers to boost global notebook shipments



Toshiba must shut German, U.S. PC plants, analysts say



Toshiba reorganizes laptop production



Toshiba to Move More Notebook PC Output to China to Cut Costs



China Outpaces Taiwan to Become Largest Notebook PC Maker
Must have spent a long time writing up that post. Thanks for aiding in the search for the truth of the P5000

I was hoping somebody over at leoG would know the answer right off of their head... but so far after 74 views it appears they dont. That "The World of ODM and Beyond" is a really good find...
post #13 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by Enderet
Must have spent a long time writing up that post. Thanks for aiding in the search for the truth of the P5000

I was hoping somebody over at leoG would know the answer right off of their head... but so far after 74 views it appears they dont.
Just a lot of cut-n-paste.

Actually, I'm leaning towards thinking the P5K and P7K are built by Fujitsu in-house. They definitely do build some of their notebooks according to those links, and those two just don't resemble any Taiwanese machines I've seen. Also, I think the margins are probably good on those ultraportables, so they could afford to make them in their own plants. Another thing is, the P7K is a showcase for the Fujitsu-developed fingerprint scanner. I don't think anyone else is building notebooks with that exact technology. The MVA screen, which I think the Japanese Loox models have is another one of their technologies.



I just checked LeoG as I was typing this...the experts over there seem to think Fujitsu does build them and they are "Made in Japan".
post #14 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by bloke
Just a lot of cut-n-paste.

Actually, I'm leaning towards thinking the P5K and P7K are built by Fujitsu in-house. They definitely do build some of their notebooks according to those links, and those two just don't resemble any Taiwanese machines I've seen. Also, I think the margins are probably good on those ultraportables, so they could afford to make them in their own plants. Another thing is, the P7K is a showcase for the Fujitsu-developed fingerprint scanner. I don't think anyone else is building notebooks with that exact technology. The MVA screen, which I think the Japanese Loox models have is another one of their technologies.



I just checked LeoG as I was typing this...the experts over there seem to think Fujitsu does build them and they are "Made in Japan".

Yeah I saw their replies over at Leog too... so I guess it seems this survery thingy... as I DONT own a notebook from one of these 10, contrary to what the title of this thread says.
post #15 of 28
Interesting discussion about the origin of Japanese notebooks. I too think Fujitsu makes some of their notebooks in house or in other plants owned by the company. However, the origin of their screens is more clear. They developed the MVA technology for notebook screens, and then contracts Chi Mei Optoelectrics (affiliated with IDTech) to produce them.
post #16 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by deltawalkerl
They developed the MVA technology for notebook screens, and then contracts Chi Mei Optoelectrics (affiliated with IDTech) to produce them.
Yeah, that connection is actually mentioned on the BRING ON THE ORDERS/The world of OEM and beyond... link I posted too.
post #17 of 28
It sure is. That's where I got the info. I didn't realize you posted that link.

Anyway...a claim that this is a "Full List of ODMs.... everyone has a notebook by one of these 10"? Come on...there are so many OEMs that make their own machines. There are also a few ones that you left out. (GVC, Inventec, Acer, AOpen) There are probably also ones that we don't know about. Don't make such a claim.
post #18 of 28
Can polls be edited? I think this one was a failure, since probably not many people know that ODMs even exist. The common Joe thinks Dell makes its own crappy laptops Besides that its sometimes hard to actualy find out who makes whos notebook, and which specific notebook.
post #19 of 28
The FJS Amilo D 1840 looks like it is the Uniwill N258SA0 (http://www.uniwill.com/Product/N258SA0/N258SA0.html)
post #20 of 28
Thread Starter 
I can edit the poll i believe.... but don't go ahead and mention any oems you think make their own...... they are just better at hiding it. ACER is the biggest name I think most people thing actually makes their own stuff..... take a look at mitac..... their the ODM for ACER

What should I change the poll to? Does someone want to use the other ODM thread and have me to do this: ODM (dell, hp, etc) so that'll help?
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