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post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
Hi first post here ..... tried the other boards but no response on my question ....... I have an eMachine 6810 which I understand is the same as the Gateway 74xx series ...... my problem involves replacing the MOBO battery .......

I believe it is a CR2032 but I can't find any pictures showing the location so I can replace it ......... is it under the keyboard? ...... I have the keyboard removed but still can't see it ....... I haven't as yet removed the palm rest ....... is it under that?

Anyone have some clear pictures of disassembling the unit ....

Thanks for any help
post #2 of 21
This may be helpful. Couldnt find anything better for a 6800 series.
http://www.bigwheezy.com/7805/bt.html
post #3 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thank you sir for the info ...... I guess the
eMachine
6810 is the same as the Gateway 74xx series ....... just can't find any info on removing the palm rest ...... got the key board out but kinda stopped until I can get some more info ...... I've been 3-4 days doing all kinds of searches in Google and else where to no avail ...... at least as far as total disassembling the machine .......

Thanks again ....
post #4 of 21
Have you tried this site: only found it, never tried it.
http://www.user-guides.co.uk/asp/FAQ.asp
I know there are some out there who sell service manuals, this may be one and your only choice.
post #5 of 21
Try using this as reference:

http://emachines.fizi.ca/index.php/Guides

Search the section also for 68xx disassembly.

cheers ...
post #6 of 21
post #7 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the tips ...... there are some really good
articles
out there but none that I can find the deal with disassembling the entire machine which I think I must do to reach the the RTC battery ...... the http://emachines.fizi.ca/index.php/Guides site is by far the best except he stops before removing the palm rest ...... I am just afraid there is going to be something that I don't know about removing the whole top of the case that might get me in to trouble or worst break something ....... and as you guys know it gets
harder
and harder to find parts for these notebooks ......

I thank you for your replies and if you can think of anything else please let me know ..... I'm going to wait a few more days before I attempt to go any further with my disassemble ........ just in case ..LOL
post #8 of 21
Guides for specific models are hard to come by. The mentioned free references had helped many users to completely disassemble the 68xx machines with no issue.

Search the section also for "power jack", you will see more hints and tips.

Good lucks.

cheers ...
post #9 of 21
post #10 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks again for the info ......
ghn
.... I wasn't necessarily looking for a break down of my 6810 specifically ....... I know the 74xx, 72xx Gateway and the 68xx series
eMachine
are all
basically
the same I was just looking for pictures of the
disassemble
after removing the LCD screen ....... the last link you provided gave me some more info as to all the items that needed to be removed
prior
to splitting the
entire
case .... that and with the pictures from
fizi
.ca will give me a good head start ......

Sorry to be so careful but as I am retired and live in the Philippines parts are non-
existent
here and having anything sent here by mail or shipped in is a 75% gamble that you won't get it ...... so I want to make sure I don't do something stupid ...... qualified
techs
are even harder to find ......

Example: had to go to 4 computer stores and 2 watch shops before I could find a CR2030 RTC battery found it in the watch shop ....... all I got was the deer-in -the headlights-look from the computer shops ....... and I live in the 2
nd
largest city here in the
Phils
.......

Gonna give it a shot later on today and see what happens ......

Again thanks for all your help .....
post #11 of 21
Good lucks. And don't forget to take pics along the way and share with the next ones ;-)

cheers ...
post #12 of 21
Thread Starter 
What the hell is going on with my posting ....... unreal ...... sorry for all the crap and double posts but I have never run into this before ...... couldn't edit my original post and when I tried it comes out like this .......

Sorry
post #13 of 21
What is your browser? Try another one?

cheers ...
post #14 of 21
Thread Starter 
Hahahahahaha .... think I found the culprit .... me ...... I forgot to turn off my spell checker in FireFox before I posted ...... first time I have ever seen that happen ... but as they say ...."live and learn" hahahahha
post #15 of 21
Cool ...

cheers ...
post #16 of 21
If you haven't already performed this process, I would recommend getting (2) 1 GB sticks of memory and do the memory upgrade for the internal memory as well. You are going to have easy access to the "hidden" internal memory, so kill 2 birds with one stone!

I bought 2 sticks of Kingston PC2700 DDR SoDIMM - KVR333SO/1GR and now have 2 GB in my latop!

Test the memory first so you know it works before you get the laptop all back together! I put the 1GB sticks in my memory slot on the bottom of the laptop and ran Memtest86 for about 30 mins to check them one at a time. Then booted the laptop and used it for about an hour (opened a bunch of apps and just verified it all seemed stable) using each stick.

I have a 7422GX and opted to also upgrade the memory when I did the fix for the screen flicker (another fix you may want to consider while you are doing surgery).

I'm adding some comments to qhn's posted steps (
GHN's post (http://www.notebookforums.com/thread172587.html 09-06-2006, 05:45 PM ) that may help you remove the palmrest. Sorry I didn't take pictures, I was in a hurry to get the screen flicker repaired and back to my sister before she headed back to college for her summer classes.

Also, I used a couple of pill boxes (the kind where you can prep your vitamin/medicine pills for a week / month at a time) to hold the screws as I took them out so I could easily remember the order to put them back. I also used scotch tape to label where the screws went (fold one end over so you have a "pull tab" to easily take the tape off later). Some of the screws did not want to leave their holes once I got them loose, so I just put a piece of scotch tape over the hole so they wouldn't fall out after I turned the laptop back over and get lost. Some are very small.

Also, please take pictures, especially close ups of screw locations and components of interest. They can also be useful in putting things back when you reassemble things.

One last tip - the ribbon cables are held in by a simple locking mechanism, gently pry the sides of the connecter up on each side (about 1/16 to 1/32 of an inch) and the ribbon cable will be very easy to take out. I marked the right side of the ribbons with a dot from a red marker so I could remember the alignment. Make sure the connector is still "open" when you put the ribbon cable back in and then push the locking mechanism back down to hold the ribbon cable in place.

I used this as a reference guide;
http://emachines.fizi.ca/index.php/LCD_Disassembly


Here are the steps qhn posted; (my comments are from memory as I did this process about 10 days ago .... )

this is a very rough guide, sorry that i did not take any pic when i was working on my modding (forum members please feel free to pitch in if i miss anything, or something is out of whack, since this is purely per memory)
1. ac out, battery out, hold out the power button for 30 secs to fully discharge & getting rid of static)
2. remove all screws in the bottom, mark their positions
3. remove the ram from the slot if u have one, put the cover back
4. remove wifi card, mark the antenna wires when removing it - leave the cover out - my wires were taped to the chasis and I pulled them loose. You will need to be able to pull the wires through the chassis when you take the palmrest off.
5. remove the hard drive (there is another screw after u take the drive out - remove it
6. turn the laptop over, use the guide above to remove the power strip and the lcd - follow this guide's steps up to figure 8 (http://emachines.fizi.ca/index.php/LCD_Disassembly)

7. what u need is to remove the input inverter cable so that u can remove the heatsink. You don't need to remove the heatsink for your needs (or the flicker or memory upgrade), but you do need to remove the LCD wire harness by removing the tape from the heat sink, unplug the connector from the motherboard and the ground screw going into the heat sink hold-down post. Figure 2 of this guide shows
(http://emachines.fizi.ca/index.php/LCD_Flicker_Repair shows what you need to remove (red Xs in the picture). Note: I did not do any modifications to the connectors discussed in this guide to resolve my flicker problem and I'm currently flicker free.
8. to detach the lcd completedly, remove the cables connected to the optical frame, a 2 wire connectors (mark the colour position), the connector to the mobo - now u can slide the antenna cables thru the optical housing. There's a wire harness (or two?) on the right hand side. Remove them. Gently pull the connectors lose. There might be another ground screw for cable on the right side, too.
8a. Remove the 2 screws holding the LCD panel to the chassis (one on the left and one on the right) and carefully lift the LCD panel free of the chassis. Put it aside and protect the LCD screen, I used a cotten towel.
9. there r 2 screws along the upper part of the casing after u remove the lcd - remove them. Mine had 4 screws.
10. remove the keyboard - careful with the ribbon,, do not force it out, there is a latch to keep it in place
11. remove the plate underneath the keyboard (reference guide above) I used this guide (http://emachines.fizi.ca/index.php/LCD_Disassembly, figure 7).
11a. I removed the DVD drive by simply pushing it out from the inside. Just to give me some working room and to help make sure I didn't have any connections hiding in this area.
12. now u can remove the upper casing, paying attention to the touchpad ribbon and be careful pulling the wi-fi cable through the chassis.

13. You should now have easy access to the CMOS battery.

Now that you are this close, upgrade the internal memory;

14. There was a small metal cover (lower left corner) that had 3 screws that needed to be removed.
15. There are 2 screws holding the PCMCIA slot assembly in place. Remove them and gently remove the PCMCIA slot assembly.
16. You now have EASY access to the "hidden" memory slot
17. Take the memory out and install the 1GB memory

Reverse the above steps to reassemble the laptop.

Tips for fixing the flicker problem:

1) I made sure I had plenty of slack in the left side LCD harness by rerouting the LCD harness above the small heat sink. (see figure 8 http://emachines.fizi.ca/index.php/LCD_Disassembly).
2) I made sure the LCD harnesses were firmly seated and then hotglued the wires in place to reduce the stress on the connections and to keep them from working loose. My right side seemed like it slid about a 1/4 inch in and out.
3) I put a small amount of hot glue to hold the left LCD harness in the small black channel on the chassis right before it enters the LCD assembly and right after it enters the LCD assembly.
4) I put some hot glue to hold the right side LCD harness in place and made sure the wires laid flat.

My LCD Flicker has not occurred in the past 10 days.

Questions for others who have done the flicker fix;

1) Did you use any type of glue to put the rubber screw covers back in place on the LCD screen and if so, what kind?

2) Where is the LCD screen close switch? My laptop doesn't seem to be going into sleep mode or hibernate when I close the lid. I think I might have missed connecting a wire or knocked a switch out of alignment.......
post #17 of 21
^^ Wow .... that is a comprehensive how-to guide (where have you been?)...

Mucho thanks!

cheers ...
post #18 of 21
Thread Starter 
Great post and thank you very much ....... just finished putting mine back together yesterday ..... I was going to do a post with pictures but you appeared to pretty much cover it all ....... I didn't take my LCD wiring completely loose just enough to get to the screws under the hinge section and raise the palm rest up enough to get to the battery which is located under the mouse pad and although it can be seen by tilting the computer on it's end and looking under the mouse it can't be removed except by disassembling the top of the computer ......

Another note is that the battery in my 6810 is a CR 1220 and not the CR 2032 that on article said was in the 6805 ....... and as most of the 68xx series are the same I bought the CR 2032 first ...... had to go out and buy the CR 1220 ......

Be very careful when prying up the ribbon holders as they can and will pop off ..... I only had to remove the one on the power button strip (the one that popped off on me) the key board ribbon and the mouse ribbon ....... luckily the small plastic part fell inside the MOBO and after searching for several hours mixed with cursing and crying it finally fell out on the desk .....

Another tip is that after removing the HD there is a small screw that holds the palm-rest to the bottom section and it threw me for a moment when the case didn't split .......

I also used small plastic cases with locking lids to put all the various screws in and drew a diagram of the location and size of all these screws then placed them in the boxes ... by splitting the computer down into a left and right side all the left side parts went in one box and the right in another ..... all the boxes were divided into at least 6-8 sections ...... locking lids is ascential as one wrong move and tiny screws will be scattered everywhere .... totally ruining your day .....

Pay attention to how the cables go into the various slots under the power switch strip so they aren't squashed or pinched ......

If anyone needs some additional help let me know by adding to this thread as it is attached to my email .... I will try and answer your questions here so others can be informed as well .......

Everything worked when the unit was started up ....... good tip on adding additional memory but as I just use my laptop for back up I don't need the additional memory .... comes in real handy when I screw my desktop up by doing something stupid and need to get on line to search for solutions about how to straighten it out ....... hahahahahaha

Thanks to all who provided information and good luck to those attempting to use this information and remember you do so at your own risk as I am not responsible for any success or problems you might have while following any tip I might have given .......
post #19 of 21
Man, this is what tech forums are all about. Great inputs and sharing, ladies and gents!

@shovelhead13: pictures can only make the posts much stronger and are never superfluous. Give us some :-)

cheers ...
post #20 of 21
qhn - Thanks for the compliment. However, I must say you made it easy for me to be so comprehensive since I used your previous post as a basis. Team work! Your posts rock!

As for where I've been? Well, I just found this site via Google and WOW! what a jackpot! I've done plenty of desktop builds and mods over the past 12 years and now 2 laptop upgrades!. I've been very leary of tackling a laptop. The unknown and expense of replacing a mistake have been big hurdles for me, but my comfort level is increasing!

My next laptop projects will be to try to "downgrade" my new Toshiba with an XP install (either a direct install or virtual machine). Any tips would be appreciated!

I've passed this site's address on to my fellow geeks at work, so hopefully they'll post some of their tips and tricks as well.

shovelhead13 - did you take pictures and if so will you send them to me? I'd like to do a picture guide and it might be awhile before I get the laptop back and approval to crack it open again!

Good point on the plastic bins. Locking lids were another reason I used them.
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