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New HPdv3z Issue: Blue Screen of Death After Updates

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
Greetings:

My new HP DV3 1075 is only 2 weeks old:

Windows Vista Home Premium w/SP1(64bit)
13.3" WXGA LED Brightview Widescreen Display(1280x800)
AMD Turion X2 Ultra Dual-Core ZM-84(2.3Ghz)
4GB DDR2(2 dimm)
500GB 5400RPM Sata hard Drive
ATI Radeon 3200 Graphics w/64MB Display Cache Memory

It's been working fine and updating automatically periodically - until last night's Java 6 #13 followed by the windows update (on 5/13). Got the blue screen and oxo code (a general stop error ending in A which gave no clues) and subsequent hp repair files option. This worked the first time, then java updated again and I restarted it. But after the windows update it happened another half dozen times and the hp notebook could never repair itself.

So, with an hp tech on the phone (for 6 hours) - we rolled it back to a prior date repeatedly - and once the same updates were downloaded, the circle started over. A couple of time I got the 'could not locate driver' hp popup after the rollback stating that the unnamed hardware would not work without said driver.

The issue appears to be the windows update and not java, as I was able to install the java update and then turn off the windows auto-update and keep the computer up. Now, both check-updates options are turned off entirely.

HP's 'solution' is wipe it all out and do a system recovery from scratch. This would mean many, many hours lost only to be reinvested on a gamble. In March 08 I bought an HP Vista desktop that very shortly began the blue screen behavior and had to continually be wiped off and started from scratch about a half dozen times before I gave up and the computer had to go back. I dread that this is again happening, after I swore I would never buy another hp (but fell in love with this model, it's really nice).

HP says that after temporarily keeping it alive by turning off the updates, I must plan for a new reinstall, because of course a new computer should be able to 'withstand' updates. I concur completely but want to know what wiser heads think. Never updating is not an option for me.

*Has anyone else run into this and has a solution?

*Does this appear to be an hp problem or a vista problem?

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance from Catherine.
post #2 of 18
I would strongly recommend a system restore.

How-to here.
post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 
Yes, it looks inevitable - but do you have any thoughts on the cause?
post #4 of 18
The windows update probably is conflicting with a driver version. I would recommend updating all the drivers on your notebook and then preform the windows updates.
post #5 of 18
Thread Starter 
As suggested, I just had my computer communicate with the hp website and was told there are no new drivers available. Did you mean every instance of software and hardware on the machine? Man, what a time-consuming project that would be. It is 'only' after yesterday's windows update that this problem is occurring. All the software and hardware was 'just fine' until then. And, I had not installed any new hardware to trigger that driver error. The last thing was my printer, and that was a week ago and it's been fine, with no error messages.
post #6 of 18
Thread Starter 
I just had another look at the offending set of 3 windows updates that caused my problem to offer more info in case one pops out as the bad guy:

IE8 for vista 64 (5/7)
Windows malicious software removal tool 64 KB890830 (5/12)
Windows defender definitions KB915597 (5/14)

What I don't get is - apparently nobody else had these problems?
post #7 of 18
It could be a physical problem with your computer if you can't get it to work properly. It's still under warranty?
post #8 of 18
Thread Starter 
Yes - it's only 2 weeks old! Actually, the warranty is the last of my concerns. It's all the many hours of wasted time undoing and redoing for the many programs, extensions, registrations, backups, etc.

AND I wonder if it's hp - or vista that's the culprit?? How can you tell which, because if it's hp, that does it for me as far as hp goes. I didn't want vista either, but there was no point in hanging on any longer to good old reliable, loveable xp when upgrading to a super new (or so I thought?) laptop.
post #9 of 18

Similar problem seems traced to Malicious Software Removal Tool update

Hi, I have a new (refurbished) HP Pavilion DV7-1232nr running Vista 64-bit and I have tracked down a similar problem. After running fine for a while I was getting unexplained erratic behaviors, such as CHKDSK running on startup and finding errors, IE (32-bit) failing to open, Norton Internet Security intrusion prevention failing, and other worrisome things, such as error messages from the HP MediaSmart software on startup.

From the HP website, I found and installed the latest MediaSmart update, did a flash of the BIOS to F43, and did a System Restore- which had to find the oldest restore point before successfully completing. I also removed and reinstalled Norton. Things seemed to be running swimmingly again, until after doing a Windows Update, choosing to install the Malicious Software Removal Tool, I got the same kind of errors again with Norton and with the CHKDSK errors. I tried another System restore but had to leave my computer running in the middle of the Restore. When I came back to it a few hours later the Restore had failed, but Norton seemed to have fixed itself, and a Restart seems to have gone smoothly without errors (or did I not restart yet? now i can't remember for sure. I will write back again if my next restart gives me the CHKDSK errors). Like you I do not feel comfortable not performing Windows Updates; the laptop is still under warranty and if the mysterious errors keep happening I'll return it in a day or two.

It is clear that the issue is related to the Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool update. I have a suspicion that there is a problem or conflict or incompatibility with this latest Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool update, and it probably involves Vista 64-bit and/or Norton Internet Security 2009. I don't know if this helps but maybe with all the information out there someone will notice a common thread and identify the conflict.
post #10 of 18
Thread Starter 
Matt -

I have news since I first wrote. I decided to try again before going back to factory settings, which seemed like the chicken way out. I was suspicious of the IE8 download. I backed up *everything again, fresh* - which took hours, preparing for a total reinstall, if that's what it was going to take to stop having errors.

*Matt: Did you download IE8 ever? IE8 is wreaking havoc. See my links posted below.

So last night I first allowed the download of the mal software tool, everything was ok, then I restarted. Then I allowed IE8 to download. It appeared to load, and the installation went through. BUT upon restarting, I got the same blue screen. The restoring did work. So I 'hid' the IE8 update after my research. Then somewhere in there it acted up again, kicking out one of the realtek updates so going through the restore point process again and hid that one so it wouldn't bother me again. Then I reset the settings to allow download notificatoins before installing on windows, hp and java again. Then I restarted a few more times for good measure. It took hours.

Everything is going ok today. I am beginning to think it is not hp, it is those downloads. Far wiser heads than mine are saying there's no reason to download the new IE8, and just go read all the problems people have had with it.

I love my hp dv3z 1075 - particularly because it has an led backlit screen (so sharp!) and the backlit keyboard is a rare feature and wonderful; it has everything I could wish for except lightscribe.

I AM gong to follow the adivce in those articles and get that Acronis disk image home software (around $50) which will supposedly make less work of the hours & hours & hours it takes getting something back to square one using data backups instead. Then I'll wait and see what happens with the next batch of downloads.

http://ask-leo.com/should_i_install_...xplorer_8.html

http://blogs.computerworld.com/why_y...net_explorer_8

Like the folks in these articles say, if you use your computer for business (I'm a web designer) - then you cannot afford to mess around with IE8.

Through all this I've learned to get disk imaging software so I won't be so worried about the nuisance and huge time loss of restoring from simple data backups. Apparently then you don't have to redo all your registrations, and it is supposed to be rather painless. It would be great if a disk image kept you from having to deactivate the whole suite and then reactivate it again - which also takes hours.

Keep me posted - and I'll do likewise.
post #11 of 18
Hi Catherine, thanks for the further info. I gather from what you wrote that the Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool (WMSRT) was not the problem in your case. I have avoided IE8 on this new computer like the plague, because I installed it on my old computer and it did indeed wreak havoc, especially with my Norton Internet Security. So I guess I am still puzzled, especially since my computer this time seems to have "healed itself" while I was out running errands. I don't trust that! But maybe I am too impatient and the computer knows how to fix itself better than I do. I get very upset with blue screens or black screens and get obsessed with finding the problem, especially when there is a time limit on returning the computer. It seems to be running smoothly, rebooting several times over the past few hours.

Like you, I like the features on this computer, though mine lacks the backlit keyboard- I sure wish it had that. Anyway, when I run Windows Update again, it doesn't suggest the need for installing WMSRT again- though strangely, neither does it indicate that it was ever installed in my update history. (?) Running Windows Update again, it now tells me there's an important Update dated 4/28/09 that is an update to Vista for 64-bit systems- I fear installing it, and wonder why it never suggested it previously? It's not even offering IE8 anymore, though I know I declined it before, I don't think i ever exactly "hid" it. Windows is so strange...

Anyway, aren't computers fun? With mine there are so many new variables....I am new to Vista. My problems could be the new box (computer), its refurbishedness, Vista, could be 64-bit issues, could be Windows update, could be WMSRT, could be incompatibilities of any of these with Norton or something else....Usually I like to change one variable at a time, but the occurrence of errors has seemed so random....I thought I was on to something when it seemed to be the WMSRT download, but now I think you might have shot that idea down. Anyway, I'll keep you posted on my progress, please do the same. Maybe together we can figure something out!! HP phone support, though well-meaning, does not seem to have a clue.
Good luck!
Matthew
post #12 of 18
Thread Starter 
I'll just encourage you to jump in and try everything while you can still return it as a last resort.

You're right - there's no rhyme or reason to any of this!! I think it's just luck for the most part - or lack of it.
post #13 of 18

Still running like a champ

Hi Catherine- no more news to report, which is good news! Ever since the computer "healed itself" after the last System Restore, I have had absolutely no problems with my HP Pavilion DV7-1232nr. I have not attempted any installs of IE8 but i've performed other HP and Windows updates and have had no problems- no Blue or Black screens of death, nor NIS 2009 errors, no CHKDSK on start-up, etc. I still don't understand what made my problems go away (unless there had been an accidental install of IE8 that was wreaking havoc until I went back to a pre-IE8 restore). The only software I have yet to re-try is that for my Logitech Harmony remote control, which I can't imagine would have been the culprit. And I still can't print to my Brother MFC-8300- the Vista driver for it doesn't work.

But I'm pleased and I guess I will keep the computer after all. Hope you are having the same smooth experience.
post #14 of 18
Have you tried to apply the MFC-8300 W2K driver, using the compatibility mode and manual installation?

cheers ...
post #15 of 18
Thread Starter 
Hi Matthew - Same here; computer running great. Of course, I have left off the IE8! Other updates have gone just fine. I did avoid another realtek because it was optional. Of course I still hold my breath during updates. I've decided to use the Comodo system free, highly rated software for antivirus and antispam, because aI like their disk cleanups so well. Have used Norton forever, but it gets such bad press. Could you call your printer's manufacturer? I had to do that and they directed me to a current driver that would work with Vista. Happy Holiday!

Catherine
post #16 of 18

Brother MFC8300 compatibility with Vista 64-bit

Hi, yes, I emailed Brother and they said they did not have one, and to contact Microsoft. Needless to say, I found no place on Microsoft's web site for such requests or suggestions. I've tried the Win2K driver- Vista would not allow it; also tried a driver I found in a forum but that didn't work for me either, though other people have gotten it to work for them:
http://www.vistax64.com/vista-print-...ank-pages.html

http://www.brother.com/E-ftp/windowsvista/us.html - Vista News Support Site
http://pub.brother.com/pub/com/pdf/v...ista64-faq.pdf - Vista Driver Issue PDF

Nothing worked for me.
post #17 of 18
Thread Starter 
It looks like that is an older printer, correct? Perhaps the technology is just too outdated, sadly. (I saw reviews on amazon from the year 2000.)
post #18 of 18
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Originally Posted by Catherine_B View Post
As suggested, I just had my computer communicate with the hp website and was told there are no new drivers available. Did you mean every instance of software and hardware on the machine? Man, what a time-consuming project that would be. It is 'only' after yesterday's windows update that this problem is occurring. All the software and hardware was 'just fine' until then. And, I had not installed any new hardware to trigger that driver error. The last thing was my printer, and that was a week ago and it's been fine, with no error messages.
sometimes the HP/dell/toshiba/whatever site is not the most up to date on drivers, like video ones which are sometimes 4 or 5 generations behind
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