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post #121 of 229
8/14/09 at 6:25pm
Bandwidth is simply a transfer rate, how much data can be moved in a certain amount of time, whether it is online or off. Anytime any data is moved (from the hard drive to the CPU, from the video card to the screen, from a USB keyboard to the motherboard, etc), there is a bandwidth involved. Each device or component has a certain bandwidth, with the maximum bandwidth limited by the type of connection.

Bandwidth is mentioned more for online stuff simply because the internet is relatively slow, so bandwidth is the limiting factor. With computer components the available bandwidth (say for hard drives or graphics cards) tends to stay ahead of what the components actually can use, so they are not bandwidth limited. You can find the bandwidth stats listed for various components, but that is usually not featured prominently in marketing or promotional material (unless it is something higher end, like a gaming mouse, targeted at people who would be examining the product stats in detail anyway), and many reviews focus more on real world benchmarking than the listed bandwidths.
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post #122 of 229
8/14/09 at 6:51pm
so with usb 3.0 that means that if a game (8gb) was on a flash drive, then it would take ~2 seconds to open the flash drive and be able to click on the game?
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post #123 of 229
8/14/09 at 9:01pm
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so with usb 3.0 that means that if a game (8gb) was on a flash drive, then it would take ~2 seconds to open the flash drive and be able to click on the game?
No. Sadly the more we answer your questions the more we open up the contradictions and complexities of that we call computers.

This is going to confuse you even more but my attempt at putting you on the foot hold of knowledge.

Consider bandwidth to be theoretical as the USB example. Now consider actual let us call it throughput or data transfer. It is not a binding structure and some might disagree but I must give a construct. Even if poorly thought out.

Your HDD with SATA 3.0 has a bandwidth of 300MB/s. You will never see that. But call that bandwidth. The actual speed will be much lower. In my case with a 320 GB @5400 HDD I get 50MB/s avg. That could be called "throughput" or "data transfer".

Those of us in the know could call it bandwidth I am just trying to help with a construct.

I really do not mind responding to your posts. I rather enjoy it. But I do think the name of the thread maybe should be changed again. To say "Answering fadingxero's computer questions".

I really do not mind so keep asking away I got the time.
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post #124 of 229
8/15/09 at 1:44am
ok im going to try to make it even simpler sounding and then we'll see how well i did.
basically it has the ABILITY to get 4gb/sec or however fast, yet it will never get that speed due to whatever other limits (maybe ill ask about why itll never get that speed later )
i can probably segway into eternity however i think a better title would be "the big ol' grab bag o' fun & questions" incase i ever run out of ideas to ask (which i can say i do have another question, but i dont really wanna ask it just yet)
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post #125 of 229
8/15/09 at 1:49am
I think you are on top of it my friend!
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post #126 of 229
8/15/09 at 5:11am
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No. Sadly the more we answer your questions the more we open up the contradictions and complexities of that we call computers.

This is going to confuse you even more but my attempt at putting you on the foot hold of knowledge.

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I really do not mind responding to your posts. I rather enjoy it. But I do think the name of the thread maybe should be changed again. To say "Answering fadingxero's computer questions".

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... "What is a fadingxero's Notebook!"
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post #127 of 229
8/15/09 at 12:20pm
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Djembe thats the ideal laptop for me, with approximately the same budget as you! Once you find it, please let me know
you'll have to remind me, since I guarantee I'll have forgotten this conversation by the time I find it
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Djembe I really think that will be doable 2010/2011. Honestly I think the backlit keyboard with the rest might be the issue. That is not even a technical obstacle. It is more that backlit at this point is not widespread.

Little story. My notebook bought in 2008 for $1300. I read a 2006 review of an Alienware the fastest notebook at the time. $4000. My GPU comparable to it's my CPU walked on it's. Mine 14" AW 17".

Time does wonders with technology. Djembe start saving your money.
I agree with your timeframe, although I was thinking that getting 4 hours battery life standard with those components would be the biggest obstacle.

I like your story. I've also noticed how computers are getting steadily less expensive. Here's a little story of my own: when I bought my computer in 2005, I spent just under $2000 customizing what at the time was a high midrange machine - I didn't get the fastest CPU or the biggest or fastest hard drive or the most RAM available because those options would have made me go over budget. If I bought a computer now, I could get one with the same level of graphics card (what Nvidia calls "performance") or one even more powerful, maxed memory, the fastest non-extreme CPU, and the highest-capacity hard drive available for between $1300-1700. Isn't technology wonderful?
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post #128 of 229
8/15/09 at 1:40pm
its probably both the backlit and the battery life, it seems.
Time for a new question, itll probably be answerable within a post or 2:
Roughly this past Feb., as I was hunting for laptops (mine has a crack on apparently the "palmrest" even though it was the the "high" end of the laptop, near the second screen and the repairer's said that fixing the laptop might not be economical, they might just get rid of it, refund me, etc) i noticed a gateway laptop, it was a couple hundred past 1000 and was what the best buy employee claimed to be their current best laptop for gaming. anyhow...i noticed under its specifications that it had a "built in modem". can anyone explain this to me? was this minimodem placed in there for a better internet connection (closer to laptop, stronger frequency) or is there another reason?
in case anyone was wondering what the laptop had, here were the specs off the top of my head (hopefully correct):
1gb nvidia 9800gs graphics card
2.26 ghz processor
either 4gb ddr3 ram or 6gb ddr2 ram
320 hard drive
17" i believe
was orange and black (perhaps copper not orange)
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post #129 of 229
8/15/09 at 1:59pm
That notebook is a Gateway FX. It is one of the best value/performance notebooks made. Two other value/performance that come to mind are Asus G71 17" and the G51 15.6".

Built in modem is just for convenience. It is not for increased performance. Most people don't even use a modem any more.

Oh and if you are asking versus Wi-Fi? They are different, here are the standard on current notebooks.

Network / Communication
  • Integrated V.92 MDC Fax/Modem, with AC-Link Version. 2.1 Compliant
  • Built-in Gigabit Ethernet LAN
  • Built-in Bluetooth™ V2.1+EDR
  • Integrated 802.11 b/g/n
The Ethernet is the wired equivalent to Wi-Fi.
OK Bluetooth not standard on most.
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post #130 of 229
8/15/09 at 2:28pm
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Originally Posted by powerpack View Post
That notebook is a Gateway FX. It is one of the best value/performance notebooks made. Two other value/performance that come to mind are Asus G71 17" and the G51 15.6".

Built in modem is just for convenience. It is not for increased performance. Most people don't even use a modem any more.

Oh and if you are asking versus Wi-Fi? They are different, here are the standard on current notebooks.

Network / Communication
  • Integrated V.92 MDC Fax/Modem, with AC-Link Version. 2.1 Compliant
  • Built-in Gigabit Ethernet LAN
  • Built-in Bluetooth™ V2.1+EDR
  • Integrated 802.11 b/g/n
The Ethernet is the wired equivalent to Wi-Fi.
OK Bluetooth not standard on most.
thanks! does wired have any advantages over wireless? wireless is obviously wireless but is wired stronger?
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post #131 of 229
8/15/09 at 2:55pm
Wired has greater security. Wireless g is 54Mb/s, Wireless n is 600Mb/s but you will not see those throughputs in actual use. Ethernet is 1000Mb/s. Here is a link to most device bandwidths.
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post #132 of 229
8/15/09 at 6:50pm
ok wow...all those numbers and letters confused me...so then whenever i use peer 2 peer or torrents, the wired will be faster? or will it be incredibly unnoticable?
by the way hobbes, sorry i threadjacked you
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post #133 of 229
8/15/09 at 7:05pm
Thread Starter 
My thread is ruiiiined

Don't worry My questions have been answered so i dont mind
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post #134 of 229
8/15/09 at 8:19pm
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My thread is ruiiiined

Don't worry My questions have been answered so i dont mind
How true, and so sorry! But rarely do you come across a member with such a unique set of questions and needs combined with the unabashed fearless nature in their willingness to share. And that member would be, fadingxero. Watch out if it keeps up I foresee his/her own section.

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ok wow...all those numbers and letters confused me...so then whenever i use peer 2 peer or torrents, the wired will be faster? or will it be incredibly unnoticable?
by the way hobbes, sorry i threadjacked you
Hey Buddy! How's it going? OK if peer to peer is over the Internet it will make zero difference as the Internet connection will be the bottleneck. That means in this case the maximum speed of Internet connection is less than wired (Ethernet) or Wi-Fi.
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post #135 of 229
8/16/09 at 9:06pm
ok guys new question!!!
this is regarding SSD...so ahem...
a) how much faster is SSD compared to regular SATA (5400 rpm or 7200 [or whatever that other speed is] rpm), besides "noteable". I know itll be different because of the different programs, but ~how much faster on a compareable SSD
b) how much capacity does SSD hold (thats easily found on the market), by that of course i mean the biggest size possible
c) is is possible for SSD to get faster, or is it sort of at its peak speed (at least for the next few months)
d) when oh when willl SSD become cheaper???
thanks guys
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post #136 of 229
8/16/09 at 9:48pm
fading I thought I lost you! So happy to see you.

OK on SSD's

forget pp Frankie will help you now. I will answer out of order. No do not expect cheaper.

do not look for faster SSD's at this point.

SSD's capacity is always going to be an issue.

SSD's have RA (rando access) times like .1ms vs 15ms?

They have had trouble with writes. They can't write to pages they must write to blocks. Trim in W7 might help. SSD's are faster real world with the RA times.

All I can write fading I have been drinking.
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post #137 of 229
8/16/09 at 10:15pm
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They have had trouble with writes. They can't write to pages they must write to blocks. Trim in W7 might help. SSD's are faster real world with the RA times
this bit confused me. can you explain? when you mentioned that SSD has "rando access" (i assume rando means random) does that mean that SSD is similar/related to ram?
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post #138 of 229
8/16/09 at 11:59pm
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this bit confused me. can you explain? when you mentioned that SSD has "rando access" (i assume rando means random) does that mean that SSD is similar/related to ram?
They're similar in that data is stored in chips and not on discs, so there are no moving parts.

The advantage in random access times of SSDs over hard drives means that locating bits of data should be considerably faster on an SSD.
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post #139 of 229
8/17/09 at 1:02am
can you explain the "random access times" i only knew of random access memory as something that is stored, and then deleted/gotten rid of.
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post #140 of 229
8/17/09 at 1:50am
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can you explain the "random access times" i only knew of random access memory as something that is stored, and then deleted/gotten rid of.
Okay, information is stored in a series of what you might call electronic boxes, and each box has a number assigned to it to show where it is and how to find it. While you could just look up everything starting with the beginning of the hard drive or SSD until you found what you were looking for (which would be called sequential access), most people go looking for specific information that could be stored anywhere on the drive, which is called random access because it's not necessarily going to be in a neat order on the hard drive.

It gets a whole lot more complicated than that if you want to know the exact processes involved, but that's the general idea.
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