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post #41 of 229
7/26/09 at 8:17pm
sSpec Number: T9500 ES (Engineering Sample)

Thanks for mentioning otherwise i didn't know is ES. So how bout this one? Does the sSpec code looks anything suspicious?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Intel-Core2-DUO-...3286.m20.l1116
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post #42 of 229
7/27/09 at 11:02am
It does say "ES Final Same as original exactly"

I can understand that we are looking at a big saving in buying these modules, my personal feeling stays (a) that these modules can be doggy and (b) the 3rd party resellers should hold back in promoting these without Intel's blessing.

I won't buy one, and I won't talk down to anyone that buys them.

cheers ...
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post #43 of 229
7/27/09 at 2:05pm
are the ES models basically prototype models that essentially complete (similar to a dress rehersal at a play)? how does one get a hold of the ES models anyhow (i mean the supplier)
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post #44 of 229
7/27/09 at 2:56pm
ES modules are being sent out to selected testers. They are supposed to send them back once completed or at Intel request. That how it works.

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post #45 of 229
7/27/09 at 3:09pm
so the selling of the models are shady/illegal then?
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post #46 of 229
7/27/09 at 3:44pm
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so the selling of the models are shady/illegal then?
I personally see it as such!

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post #47 of 229
7/27/09 at 11:47pm
I agree it is shady as Intel does not give their blessing. They lack certain sensors. I think they might even have unlocked multipliers, I could be wrong. But unless you are a major enthusiast who knows a lot and is willing to get burned I would stay away. Get an official release even if used.

Illegal? I don't see anyone kicking your door down. Just be warned they are what they are.
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post #48 of 229
7/28/09 at 1:42am
intel gives people multiple copies of these ES models ( ebay link had a guy with 10 of the ES models)? what exactly are unlocked multipliers? i assume by sensors you mean things like heat moniters? and i meant illegal more like a pirated movie, not like hacking into obama's email
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post #49 of 229
7/28/09 at 1:47am
Yes, Yes and yes!

My CPU is locked at a 9.5 multiplier those are not locked. Good luck getting BIOS support? But if you could?
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post #50 of 229
7/28/09 at 2:31am
what exactly are multipliers?do they have to do with cpu speed or something?
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post #51 of 229
7/28/09 at 3:08am
Yes it has something to do with CPU speed.

166MHz Bus with 11 Multipliers = 1866MHz / Reported as 1.87GHz
166MHz Bus with 9.5 Multipliers = 1577MHz / Reported as 1.6GHz

By adding higher multipliers = More speed also known as overclock. Multiplier is a great way to overclock on desktop PC but problem is with locked CPUs.
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post #52 of 229
7/28/09 at 6:17am
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intel gives people multiple copies of these ES models ( ebay link had a guy with 10 of the ES models)?
Can't speak for Intel. Only they alone know where/to whom they sent theses modules out. You can try asking these sellers where/how they come to have these ES models.

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...and i meant illegal more like a pirated movie, not like hacking into obama's email
I see - skating word definition here aren't we? .

Here I can only give a personal opinion where I stand in tech field, like you and many others. I guess that normal human behaviour is to stretch certain definition as to fit one's desire, until it is lawfully being told yes or no

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post #53 of 229
7/28/09 at 1:24pm
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I personally would not touch any "ES" CPU module for the simple fact that it can be doggy now and then. And as far as I concern, these modules belong to Intel, and not for sale.

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ES modules are being sent out to selected testers. They are supposed to send them back once completed or at Intel request. That how it works.

cheers ...
I'd rather myself pay the premium for a new part, with full warranty as well. It may cost more, but to make a q9100 or a qx9300 is NOT an easy task. You need to find a chip that can handle the speed and the # of cores desired and hence the premium. An ES also may not even be a legit intel ES so much as it's a very nice mockup. The chinese market is HUGE on piracy, to the point that MS has to sell office for $29 to balance between "cheap!" and legal. It's a very fine line, but if I can afford it, I'd go the full legal route. Also, having a warranty from the manufacturer is a very nice thing in the event the CPU is DOA.

Jason
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post #54 of 229
7/28/09 at 2:03pm
warranty is always good to have. I heard once that 98% of the goods in China are pirated (non specific, just goods in general). so by having unlocked multipliers means it can literally go high in speed as physically possible (before death by heat)?
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post #55 of 229
7/28/09 at 2:09pm
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... I heard once that 98% of the goods in China are pirated (non specific, just goods in general).
Doubt this very much at the moment since China is selling many brand names in contract with other manufacturers. The challenge is to find which products are real.

Remember - LENOVO is Chinese! And it is a heck of a product.

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so by having unlocked multipliers means it can literally go high in speed as physically possible (before death by heat)?
I can't say better

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post #56 of 229
7/29/09 at 6:45am
Argh this would be annoying. Aren't there any guide to prevent buying an "incomplete" CPU? I almost becomed a victim if i have the money.

And to fadingxero, unlocked CPU by adding more multipliers then it can greatly increase CPU speed without heating it up alot, Intel and AMD want to sell thier CPU so they just lock it, means you have to pay alot more for a better speed.. DAMN YOU Intel/AMD. xD The only way later with locked CPU overclock is via FSB and higher voltage, high voltage is the main risk as is easy to overheat a CPU.
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post #57 of 229
7/29/09 at 1:10pm
are there any problems to unlocked cpus then? are there ways to unlock a locked cpu without destroying it?
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post #58 of 229
7/29/09 at 1:19pm
Unlocked CPUs themselves don't have a problem. How one uses them is another story altogether.

Unlocking a locked cpu? There are ways - we all love to push the envelop sometimes - but unless the way comes from the manufacturers themselves in a form of written instruction, I stay away from it

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post #59 of 229
7/30/09 at 6:01am
Like qhn said. No problem with unlocked CPU, originally CPU was build without that lock, is just later those manufacturers decided have it on. With the reason i stated before.

There are few reports back in 3 or 4 years ago they unlocked a locked AMD CPU involving soldering. However on modern CPU i don't know anything about how to unlock. The lock is build inside the chip so there's no really a way to unlock it if there's no solderable part related to the lock. Anyway i'm lack of information on this part.
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post #60 of 229
7/31/09 at 1:34am
This conversation has drifted? As such let me steer it further away.

Intel does sell unlocked CPU's. Called Xtreme. There are limits of course. But they do have warranty and cost a lot.

Nex's point about why they lock is correct. It keeps costs high for their premium CPU's.
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