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post #61 of 229
8/4/09 at 1:35pm
I was sold a system with an ES CPU however from what i can tell it performs better than what i was originally expecting from a NON ES CPU. At the moment my CP performs at its rated speed but at nearly 15% lower voltage. I do agree that people should not purchase ES CPU's if they know before hand that it is in fact an engineering sample. I was tricked so its ok for me since I was royally screwed with a T6400 with sticker over it.
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post #62 of 229
8/4/09 at 4:47pm
so if the xtremes are unlocked, then does that mean thats the potential of an unlocked cpu? i was under the impression that if i were to somehow unlock my p8400 (using as an example) i could pull off a 4ghz dual core with no trouble if i wanted to. next to say: quad cores are coming in faster and faster in terms of it being used. dragon age origins actually has 2.4ghz quadcore as recommended settings. in fact, at that speed, its almost a laptop killer game, as most quadcore laptops do not breach ~2ghz point unless your going in really hard in terms of cash (ie sager with the desktop model i7) just my 2 cents on the quad core debate.
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post #63 of 229
8/4/09 at 6:11pm
No the extremes are unlocked by choice from intel but ultimately its up to the manufacturers to include BIOS support to allow you to overclock and on a small notebook like mine I doubt i'll ever see it coming with this measly little 7 CFM fan.
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post #64 of 229
8/4/09 at 7:49pm
but wont overclocking an extreme still produce heat even though its unlocked? now thereotically: i have the BEST cooling system in the world so heat is of no issue, if i were to overclock an xtreme would there be a "limit" or would i basically be able to go sky high (like 5ghz or so)? now i pose the same question on a normal processor, could that also go up to the same speed (5ghz or so) if i overclocked it?
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post #65 of 229
8/5/09 at 1:02pm
The best cooling solution is using dry ice. But that's too extreme for normal user.

OC with unlocked CPU produce less heat then locked because locked CPU OC by adding higher voltage and high FSB. With unlocked CPU just add more multipliers and FSB all done.

I never OCed a locked CPU intensively or tried an unlocked CPU so i can't tell much.

The amount of multipliers is also depending on the mainboard (i think) but highest OCed world record can be found here : http://valid.canardpc.com/records.php

I don't know why but Pentium D suppose to be locked but is highly OCable.
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post #66 of 229
8/6/09 at 5:19am
I'd have no problem buying another ES cpu,you just have to be careful and research for the later 4 letter code's to make sure your not getting one with pre revision stepping,lacking heat sensor.

The X9100 I bought functioned perfectly,I would never have been able to try one at intel and OEM's extortionate price's.

Are they a worthwhile upgrade,even at cheap ES price's is another matter and entirely dependant on what you do with your notebook....even more so with a quad.
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post #67 of 229
8/6/09 at 4:45pm
is there a place to find the highest OC'd cpus that are based off the model (ie highest t9900, x9100, p8400, etc)?
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post #68 of 229
8/6/09 at 5:10pm
I dont know if there's a chart for that. But when comes to OC mainboard plays the main role. Without a good mainboard OC would be impossible or unstable at stages.

Good mobo able to OC CPU alot more and bad mobo can simply fried up CPU and mobo itself ~DESU!

And i THINK i just remembered Why Pentium D is highly OCable, because no much heat generated so by adding alot more voltage and FSB OC is not a problem. So a good thermal paste and heatsink would OC it better. If i haven't remembered it wrong, that 2GHz was able to OC to 4GHz no problem but doesn't have the performance of a C2D 3GHz.
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post #69 of 229
8/6/09 at 8:49pm
how high do ou think i could realistically OC a p8400 without upgrading anything on my computer (asus g50vt-x1)? by realistically i mean OC and then play games on it for hours without worrying about computer heating to death. in the sad time before i can get a processor upgrade (december) i have to use my 2.26ghz processor C2D. i hope theres a BIOS update for my comp soon
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post #70 of 229
8/7/09 at 3:25am
If I am not mistaken, the G50VT comes with a Turbo switch that would push your CPU up to 2.5x safely. Have you tried that?

And if it is worth anything, read post #4 in this thread about stronger CPU
http://www.notebookforums.com/thread229187.html

cheers ...
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post #71 of 229
8/7/09 at 5:03pm
thanks qhn, yes i have tried turbo before (just wondering if there was an even high, still safe speed). now im not really into the processor upgrade for more fps, its for future games and other games that have higher recommended settings (ie last remant; dragon age origins and gta IV dont count, they want quad cores). while getting a new processor wont get me a higher FPS, having a lower one will still hinder me later on for gaming (esp. since i heard that most laptops cannot upgrade the graphics card).
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post #72 of 229
8/9/09 at 8:36am
To be honest, the current "required" CPU range for certain apps and games, will be "old" and becomes "minimum" in a month or two. It is a racket, my personal feelings. How can games see ahead if the hardware itself is not even being made available for testing and developing?

cheers ...
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post #73 of 229
8/9/09 at 2:25pm
On a notebook you have minimal ability to increase voltage. Voltage is the main factor that increases heat.

As far as multipliers and heat? Ever notice all the Txxx penryns are 35w TDP regardless of multipliers? Yea it has the same voltage not TDP increase.

If Turbo only pushes a 2.4Ghz to 2.5Ghz then try setfsb. Once again if you don't increase voltage you will not increase heat. The problem is if you don't increase voltage you limit your OC.

I am going to play with increasing voltage with RMClock. I have no clue if that will be the correct voltage or what the thermal implications will be.

See my sig for what I get without voltage increase.
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post #74 of 229
8/10/09 at 12:50am
well my 2.26 ghz processor C2D has lasted me from october (when i got it) to now, and probably a bit further in the future, sans GTA4 and dragon age origins/games wanted quads. however the technology has been around long enough; i COULD have gotten a 3 ghz processor duo core if i made a custom laptop back then, which of course i was not able to do/allowed to do...however more fortunate people could have done it. and turbo increases from 2.26 to 2.5 if i remember correctly. i would much rather BUY the 2.8 ghz processor if i could only safely increase my processor to 3.0 for 2 hours. games and apps require more power in a much slower fashion, however when you start with a low end model then it catches up faster...which is why i want to change.
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post #75 of 229
8/10/09 at 3:05am
I don't see why you cannot just get a T9800 or T9900 and installing safely onto your G50VT - and this is without overclocking.

cheers ...
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post #76 of 229
8/10/09 at 3:27am
I can honestly say I notice very little difference from 1.96 (Win7 downclocking feature) to 3.06 Ghz on most apps I use outside of virus scans heck games like fallout3 seems to benfit little from what i can tell.
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post #77 of 229
8/10/09 at 2:00pm
well...i WOULD upgrade...however 1) my dad doesnt believe me when i say they are compatible
2) i have to wait until the warranty is out
3) even then i cant choose my own processor, i have to send my laptop to someone who will decide for me after i tell them what i want
4) after warranty expires i have to wait until school is over (winter/spring/summer break) to upgrade

and i dont think arrandale or clarksfield will compatible with current laptops

anyhow upgrading would be for
a) playing future games on the highest settings
b) play a game and virus scan at the same time without death lag.
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post #78 of 229
8/10/09 at 4:09pm
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and i dont think arrandale or clarksfield will compatible with current laptops
that is correct. Clarksfield & Arrandale CPUs require a different chipset and a different CPU socket. They wouldn't even physically fit in current notebooks.
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anyhow upgrading would be for
a) playing future games on the highest settings
b) play a game and virus scan at the same time without death lag.
getting a quad-core CPU would allow you to play a game and virus scan at the same time, but it would not have much if any effect on playing future games on the highest settings. That's a graphics card limitation, and one that will always exist for notebook computers.
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post #79 of 229
8/10/09 at 4:13pm
since i have the asus g50vt isnt there also the bios thats stopping me from getting quadcore? of course if some guy found out how to make it compatible im open for it
seems that the 9800gt should hold out for another year or 2 (i hope)
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post #80 of 229
8/10/09 at 4:21pm
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since i have the asus g50vt isnt there also the bios thats stopping me from getting quadcore?
yes, there's that as well.
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seems that the 9800gt should hold out for another year or 2 (i hope)
I'm sure it will. I just wouldn't expect to be able to play every new game at maximum settings, that's all.
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