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post #81 of 121
11/3/09 at 6:32pm
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Yes but remind me what I told you to do again?

Remember that if your OC settings stop the system from booting they will automatically reset after 3 failed boots.
With the Kingston memory, when you go into the bios unlink the memory and fsb. Then try 2 settings (fsb:mem) 1248:1248 and 1248:1333. Both should achieve 2.8Ghz but you'll need to test it first. If you try OC'ing with your 1066 memory then I would suggest leaving the memory alone. The timings with the memory will go out of whack any higher than 1066.

The key with OC'ing is making sure you don't end up with a bad memory divisor. It will just cause instability. A 1:2 ratio seems to be stable with these systems. I ideally 1:1 would give us the best performance but it's impossible to achieve with these systems. Use a program like cpu-z to chek you memory divisor if you don't feel like doing the math.

On last thing. If you get failed boots because of a bad OC it will automatically reset itself to default after the third failed boot. Don't both trying to find the cmos battery and unplugging it. Although that works it will set the whole bios to factory default versus just the OC settings. Good luck!
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post #82 of 121
11/3/09 at 6:51pm
I tried a few things an it seems like the fsb at 1333 seemed to work really well. just don't want to burn anything up. you know?

thanks for the info bro
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post #83 of 121
11/3/09 at 7:24pm
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I also want to overclock my M17x with P8600 to 2.8 or 2.9. Any help would be great. I set the FSB in the Bios to 1333 and got 2.93GHZ but not sure how safe it will be. So I changed it back.
Do you have the 1066 memory or the 1333? Look at the quote below for the info.

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With the Kingston memory, when you go into the bios unlink the memory and fsb. Then try 2 settings (fsb:mem) 1248:1248 and 1248:1333. Both should achieve 2.8Ghz but you'll need to test it first. If you try OC'ing with your 1066 memory then I would suggest leaving the memory alone. The timings with the memory will go out of whack any higher than 1066.

The key with OC'ing is making sure you don't end up with a bad memory divisor. It will just cause instability. A 1:2 ratio seems to be stable with these systems. I ideally 1:1 would give us the best performance but it's impossible to achieve with these systems. Use a program like cpu-z to chek you memory divisor if you don't feel like doing the math.

On last thing. If you get failed boots because of a bad OC it will automatically reset itself to default after the third failed boot. Don't both trying to find the cmos battery and unplugging it. Although that works it will set the whole bios to factory default versus just the OC settings. Good luck!
Let me know how this works. I would do it with the Kingston memory. Don't bother with the cheap 1006 stuff.

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I tried a few things an it seems like the fsb at 1333 seemed to work really well. just don't want to burn anything up. you know?

thanks for the info bro
check your temps with hwmonitor. Download and run OCCT. When you test it against your cpu it should run easily for 20 minutes without a failure. If it fails the OCCT test then the OC isn't going to be stable for you when you run games.
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post #84 of 121
11/3/09 at 7:30pm
i have 1066 memory. ill try the OCCT see what happens. Thanks bro!!!
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post #85 of 121
11/3/09 at 7:43pm
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i have 1066 memory. ill try the OCCT see what happens. Thanks bro!!!
Yes then it's best to only change your memory if stability becomes a concern.

Edit: Another good test is the Crysis benchmark. That fails quickly with an unstable cpu OC.
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post #86 of 121
11/3/09 at 7:44pm
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I am reformatting again, and after I install the graphics drivers from the nvidia website, it only shows the 9400, not the dual 260s... any ideas?
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post #87 of 121
11/3/09 at 7:54pm
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Yes then it's best to only change your memory if stability becomes a concern.

Edit: Another good test is the Crysis benchmark. That fails quickly with an unstable cpu OC.
ok sounds good. so change the memory in my bios not the fsb right?
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post #88 of 121
11/3/09 at 7:57pm
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I am reformatting again, and after I install the graphics drivers from the nvidia website, it only shows the 9400, not the dual 260s... any ideas?
this place is good. http://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/index

I think this is the best one here: http://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/top...a-64bit-nvidia
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post #89 of 121
11/3/09 at 8:11pm
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It was the BIOS, hybrid was disabled. All is good now... and NWGuru, yes, I got the 1333Mhz ram...
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post #90 of 121
11/3/09 at 8:18pm
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ok sounds good. so change the memory in my bios not the fsb right?
no the other way around. leave the memory alone.
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post #91 of 121
11/3/09 at 8:39pm
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I am running it at 1248:1248

had issues booting at 1248:1333 so I did the 1248:1248 and its solid so far. DO I really need to run those temp and monitoring tools?
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post #92 of 121
11/3/09 at 8:59pm
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Downloaded CPU-z and its prurring like a kitten at 2.8Ghz

Wonder why it didn't run at 1333:1333
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post #93 of 121
11/3/09 at 9:04pm
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no the other way around. leave the memory alone.
ok thanks. i was running the occt and the video messed up but it was set on the 9400m. i also have the original video driver.
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post #94 of 121
11/3/09 at 9:36pm
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I am running it at 1248:1248

had issues booting at 1248:1333 so I did the 1248:1248 and its solid so far. DO I really need to run those temp and monitoring tools?
You don't need to but if your trying to see how high you can get it then you'll need to test it somehow. Plus if you start having some issues in games you won't know if it's an OC issue without further testing. OCCT is a great tool for that. You can also try Everest which has a stress test built in also.
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post #95 of 121
11/3/09 at 9:37pm
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ok thanks. i was running the occt and the video messed up but it was set on the 9400m. i also have the original video driver.
When you're doing the test make sure the CPU is selected and not the GPU.
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post #96 of 121
11/3/09 at 9:52pm
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I got OCCT, how long do I need to test it for? 20 min? The default is one hour...
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post #97 of 121
11/3/09 at 11:08pm
The longer the better. I normally stop it after 20 minutes.
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post #98 of 121
11/4/09 at 12:02am
NWGuru is so all over this not much room to squeeze in. His advice is 100% top notch. NW clearly knows this notebook I do not. That said let me throw in a little input mostly for Turmoil as having a little issue. Moonstone you seem to going OK at this point.

A maybe stupid observation I might be a dick but what NW is calling a divisor (and it is) is also called the fsb:RAM "ratio".

NW pointed out this system likes a certain ratio. Guessing integer based? And as NW said do not work with two variables (CPU and RAM) at the same time. That stops you from identifying the problem.

Nothing wrong with downclocking your RAM 1066Mhz to see if your CPU can do 1333Mhz=3Ghz OC. That would be a 5:8 ratio. I think 5:8 is a ratio that NW might think is good. This is just to see if any benefit. The mixing does affect. Your inability to get 1333:1333 (333:666/1:2)) does indicate the CPU has the issue. But test to see.

Thermal monitoring is critical. You want to know how hot your baby runs. If you cannot keep thermal range within certain limits you must consider downclocking. Even if passes stress test. Heat kills and not always right away.

Getting way too deep and I believe a other application needed. If your CPU can't go above 2.8Ghz? How about if your RAM can handle faster than 1333Mhz. How about you change the CPU multiplier from x9 to x8? So 350Mhz would put your CPU at 2.8Ghz and RAM at 1400Mhz w/5:8 ratio.

This OC'ing is a jigsaw puzzle. You have voltage options correct? RAM only or CPU?

If RAM only you should be able to go above 1400Mhz, and if so a 2.8Ghz and 1500Mhz RAM is better than 2.8Ghz w/1333Mhz. See what I mean?

I stress test with orthos myself. But on occt you should have option to stress CPU or CPU and memory. As far as time goes? I would stress until temp stops rising then 10 minutes. If stable use your notebook for a while gaming or what not. If stable cool. There are so many silly opinions and what is enough.

Best of luck!
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post #99 of 121
11/4/09 at 12:48am
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The longer the better. I normally stop it after 20 minutes.
I ran OCCT for 36 minutes with no problems with just my FSB at 1333 so I should be ok right? Thanks bro!!!
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post #100 of 121
11/4/09 at 12:51am
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For whatever reason, Vista Service Pack 2 is not showing up... I think there is a problem. Any ideas?
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