NotebookForums.com › Forums › Notebook Manufacturers › Dell Forums › Dell Home (Inspiron, XPS, Studio) › e1705/9400 - need some upgrading advice
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

e1705/9400 - need some upgrading advice

post #1 of 44
Thread Starter 
Hi! This is my first post ever at notebookforums. I'm impressed with the community and the content in these forums!

There are a couple of things I couldn't find here despite the FAQs and all the posts I read. They are:

- My pc came with the T2500 cpu (that's a core duo). Is it possible to fit in a core 2 duo in this motherboard? If not, which motherboard should I get from ebay?

- I want (or rather, desperately need) to replace my ATI x1400. I can get a geforce 7950 at ebay, but they cost about $400. I also found the quadro fx1600m, which is a DirectX 10 card (probably a 8xxxm?) and for much less money. Does the fx1600m work with the e1705? the guy in this post fitted one but didn't work with internal LCD. Does it make any sense? Should I risk it and buy one?

This is a great laptop, I really want to make those 2 upgrades :P Any help is very welcome.

Thank you!
post #2 of 44
I can't speak to the FX-1600, but a C2D processor will work. I had a T2250 in my laptop and put a T7200 in it and it worked fine.
post #3 of 44
The fastest CPU you can install is the T9600

Of course the T7400, T7200 are cheaper alternatives.

As far as the GPU goes

http://www.notebookforums.com/thread230162.html

The FX1600 will work with the lastest BIOS.

But there is also a possibility that you may need to change the inverter.
post #4 of 44
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the replies!!

Wow, that's great news! The main concern i had with the CPU is the fact that the T2500 is 32 bit and all the C2D are 64 bit. Does installing a T7600 or a T9600 mean that i can install a 64-bit OS?

And i'm sorry to ask this again, but can i be sure that a T9600 or a T7600 will work on my motherboard? (After all it's quite a bit of money i'll be investing in these upgrades :P)

Here's a screenshot with my motherboard info (taken from CPU-Z)

post #5 of 44
Thread Starter 
oh and happy halloween everyone XD
post #6 of 44
Quote:
Originally Posted by eoy4 View Post
oh and happy halloween everyone XD
and back at you
post #7 of 44
Sorry eoy4 I have some bad news. Yes you can use a 64bit Core 2 Duo. But it must be socket M. So T7600 is in "M" T9600 is out "P". Your hardware/chipset 945PM is 32bit limited as far as running 64bit OS not, and the most RAM your system can ever use around 3GB's.

If the card you want to upgrade to or very similar was offered in your system as an option you are in good shape for upgrade.
post #8 of 44
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpack View Post
Sorry eoy4 I have some bad news. Yes you can use a 64bit Core 2 Duo. But it must be socket M. So T7600 is in "M" T9600 is out "P". Your hardware/chipset 945PM is 32bit limited as far as running 64bit OS not, and the most RAM your system can ever use around 3GB's.

If the card you want to upgrade to or very similar was offered in your system as an option you are in good shape for upgrade.
Thank you! Yeah, I figured that the T9600 was not an option for me after a little research in wikipedia and the interwebs. But the fact that my computer does not have 64 bit capabilities is a bit disappointing... I know there are some e1705's that are 64-bit capable (came with a C2D), so I might be able to grab a whole motherboard in ebay? What do you think? (and which one do I want? XD)

Anyway, thanks for all your help

Oh, and some news on my upgrading: I got hold of a geforce go 7950GTX for 200 bucks on ebay! I can't wait to see how that baby performs :P

Thanks again!
post #9 of 44
Thread Starter 
Sorry to bump this, but I just had another thought...
I read in the faq that most people go with just 3GB of ram for the e1705, because it will only recognize 3.2 or so if you stick 4gb in it. So, which is the best configuration to get 3GB installed? one 1GB stick and one 2GB stick? Or are there any 1.5GB modules? I saw a 3GB dual-channel kit on amazon. Is it most likely 1+2, or 1.5+1.5? Because it does not say so in the description.
Also, is there any performance-loss if i go with 1+2 configuration?
Thank you again
post #10 of 44
. There is no performance loss with 1+2 memory configuration

. Never heard of 1.5gig module; it is simply technically not possible

cheers ...
post #11 of 44
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qhn View Post
. There is no performance loss with 1+2 memory configuration

. Never heard of 1.5gig module; it is simply technically not possible

cheers ...
Hmmm... I could swear that I once saw a 1.5 gig stick... But then again, many people swear they've seen big-foot.
Sorry, I guess that made me look like the worst of noobs... haha
And about the performance, someone told me that for dual-channel memory to perform correctly, you had to have 2 identical sticks. Otherwise they wouldn't "sync" properly or something like that.
Well, I'm gonna see if I can find a good deal in 4GB kits, and see if the price justifies the extra 200MB compared to 3GB.
post #12 of 44
This can give you some good input about what/how dual channel and ram configuration works.

cheers ...
post #13 of 44
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qhn View Post
This can give you some good input about what/how dual channel and ram configuration works.

cheers ...
Thank you! Heh... sometimes forget to check wikipedia first.
Well, that solves it. Using different sticks *may* hurt performance. That is enough reason for me to forget about it and go buy two 2GB sticks ^__^ Not that I'm building a performance monster, it is actually a pretty old lappy, but I want to get the most out of it, considering the money I will be spending.
post #14 of 44
Yes I would go with the 2 x 2 Gb sticks
post #15 of 44
Thread Starter 
Thanks for that

Well, just a recap of the things i'll be buying for this project, to get some final thoughts :P

- geforce go 7950 GTX from ebay, $200
- a T7600 new* from ebay, about maybe $220
- Corsair 2x2GB kit PC-5300 from amazon, $86
- Dell PA-13 130W power adapter from ebay, $15

* I can get a cheaper CPU if it's used, but I rather buy a new one.

It'll probably be just above $500, which is the price of a cheap laptop. But I think I'll end up with a better machine than what I can get if I sell mine for about 400 or 500 bucks and add an extra 500. So, any final thoughts?
post #16 of 44
Looks like you have a good handle on this.

As far as GPU goes I have no comment other than the general I said before. I do know some of those DeLL's could do exactly what you are trying. Go from ATI to the 7950m GTX. One of the Inspiron's was the same as another model. There are video's and guys showing how to do. One thing was the 7950 GTX had a larger heatsink. Look into that.

On the model you have and 64bit and some coming with Core 2's? With that chipset DeLL sold 64bit CPU's but the chipset limited it to 32bit. That was the 945 you have. It made many mad that DeLL sold a 64bit CPU on a system that was not 64bit. DeLL and Intel rushing to market. So no you cannot buy a different MoBo the ones that had Core 2's have the same limitation you do. Napa platform. Santa Rosa and the 965 chipset where the first 64bit platform.

You know no socket M on an Intel chipset can run 64bit back to Napa and Santa Rosa.

On RAM they do not make 1.5GB. Getting 3GB vs 4GB as said does not really matter. Dual vs Single channel is 10% on a bandwidth bench w/Intel chipset. Odd match ups on Intel run in what is called asymmetric dual channel Intel has called this Flex Mode also. What it means is what matches runs as Dual channel what remains runs single. On a benchmark it is proportional. So in a 3GB config 1x1GB+1x2GB, 2GB run in "Dual" and 1GB in single. But keep in mind that what is more frequently accessed migrates toward the front ie: Dual Channel 1st 2GB's. So in a bench only 3% difference vs 2x2GB. 10% or 3% does not in anyway translate to application performance. In other words those who say it does not matter have a valid point.

Here is a link to something I wrote on the subject. If TOS does not like external links I apologize, I would also be happy to transfer ideas here. I know they own right of use but does not prevent my use as the creator.
post #17 of 44
Thread Starter 
Wow, thanks powerpack! That is about as detailed info as you can get regarding memory performance rep+

So, about RAM, I suppose it comes down to the cheapest option. I think I found a good deal in a 4GB kit though. about 70 bucks, new (anyone interested in buying two 1GB sticks DDR2 667?)

One thing that bugs me, about the CPU, will it really make a big difference going from a CD T2500 2.0GHZ to a C2D T7600 2.33GHZ, so as to justify the $220 investment? I mean, that's more expensive than a desktop core i7, and I won't even have a true 64-bit system... :P

And thanks again!! you all are awesome.
post #18 of 44
Back at the time I was doing some upgrades, it seemed the conventional wisdom was to just skip the T7600 and go with a T7200 or T7400 and save some money - the difference in performance between these chips is negligible, but by stepping into the T7XXX series you pick up the same benefits regardless of which one you choose. I went with a T7200 and am perfectly happy with my choice.
post #19 of 44
I agree with above. Get the best you can for the dollar? No joke? You can.

After all is said and done? Could you not do better buying new?
post #20 of 44
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TJJP77 View Post
Back at the time I was doing some upgrades, it seemed the conventional wisdom was to just skip the T7600 and go with a T7200 or T7400 and save some money - the difference in performance between these chips is negligible, but by stepping into the T7XXX series you pick up the same benefits regardless of which one you choose. I went with a T7200 and am perfectly happy with my choice.
Did you notice a big performance gain? Because what you did is actually pretty much the same I wanna do now :P
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
NotebookForums.com › Forums › Notebook Manufacturers › Dell Forums › Dell Home (Inspiron, XPS, Studio) › e1705/9400 - need some upgrading advice