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post #21 of 25
5/5/04 at 9:51pm
Naaa.. On dell web site they claim that upgrade is not avaliable yet. There for, the 256mb upgrade cannot be the initial XPS GPU upgrade... The next XPS upgrade will be a new generation card...
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post #22 of 25
5/6/04 at 12:21am
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Originally Posted by Karl
Yep, my point exactly.

If "the big upgrade" that Dell promised with the ixps stops with a 256MB 9700, it will suck indeed.

Let's face it. The 9700 mobility just doesn't have the gas to play today's games at anything above 1280x1024, and you can pretty much scrap any plans for playing Doom3 or HL2 at *ACCEPTABLE* framerates on this VPU.

We're gonna need a bigger boat.
I agree. If it's a 9700 with more memory I'll pass (and be pissed...) If it's a mobile 9800, I'm interested.

And if it's a mobile X800, I'm REALLY interested....
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post #23 of 25
5/6/04 at 12:26am
I think the differenc in 128 vs 256 is nothing. I feel they use bigger numbers because people who dont know anything about computers see the 128 vs 256 as the 256mb being better, it just looks good on paper.... dont waste your time

an 8 pipeline VPU would probably bring tears to my eyes...
also shader 3.0 would be wild...
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post #24 of 25
5/6/04 at 2:00am
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Originally Posted by DELL-Machina
I disagree I feel that 128MB vcards will be slightly limited in Doom 3 due to the immense texture size but a faster video card would yield better performance
You're missing the point. Karl is saying that in situations where the extra memory becomes necessary, THEN it will be useful. However, it's a catch-22 in a lesser performing card. In those "future" games, if u're talking about AAx8 and 1600x1200 when that extra memory would actually benefit...guess what, the GPU is crawling. They've tested this same notion time and time again to the same conclusion. The 9700mobility not fast enough to benefit from the gains in the extra memory. Go to any video forum and this has been rehashed over and over again.
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post #25 of 25
5/6/04 at 2:02am
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Originally Posted by Xelbaaz
Tom's Hardware:

"The benchmark results of the new Radeon 9800 Pro with 256 MB are sobering when compared to those of the 128-MB variant. It's only in extreme situations (in the highest resolutions and high FSAA settings) that any difference could be seen. In these areas, however, the frame rates are at a low level, which is therefore not realistic and certainly not worth the extra $100. In addition, the card generates an extremely high amount of heat. This is a peculiarity of the DDR II memory, from which NVIDIA's NV30 (alias GeForce FX 5800 Ultra) also suffers. In any case, ATI now has a product in its program to rival the new NVIDIA GeForce FX 5900 Ultra, which is also equipped with 256-MB memory."

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"And now, once again, we've come to the point where another upgrade is in sight. The memory size is to be doubled - from 128 MB to 256 MB. On paper, this looks impressive, but it's really not. You have to look extremely carefully to find situations where 256 MB brings advantages. What the old rule dictates is true: in games of the future, you're sure to need this at some point, but when that point will come is written in the stars. Even in our tests with the long-awaited Doom III with high quality settings, the Radeon 9800 Pro 256 MB didn't show any advantages over the 128 MB variant. "

Looking at the benchmarks on his site, it looks like any game that he used to test, be it Doom III or UT, the 256MB version of these cards gives a wopping 3 frames per second more than the 128MB version (using 8X AGP).

http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic...604/index.html

Exactly. This is with a DESKTOP 9800 Pro much less the vastly inferior 9700 mobilitiy.
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