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Possible to fix my broken 7900GS GPU without "baking"?

post #1 of 24
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Hello! My Nvidia 7900 GS Go has finally kicked the bucket in my Inspiron E1705. Instead of shelling out $200+ for a used card, or baking the card in the oven, is there a way I can repair this with a heat gun or soldering iron?

I read people have mentioned it here and there, but no one describes what needs to be fixed on the card. Is it just certain connections get loose over time due to heat? Can some new solder just be reapplied?

If anyone has any info or even some pictures on what needs to be done to fix this card, it would be great!

Thanks in advance
post #2 of 24
Bake it! Why a heat gun?
post #3 of 24
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Bake it! Why a heat gun?
Dont want to risk chemicals being released in the air, also dont want to have to deal with the heat sinks falling off and having to reattach them. A heat gun or soldering iron is way more specific and less dangerous and I have both !

Also, Id rather have a chance at repairing it for good and make sure whatever connection is loose, it solid again.
post #4 of 24
OK? Above my skills.
post #5 of 24
I tried a heat gun over a card once and it did not go too well. No one seems to have a good "guide" on this thing. That's why the baking is so simple, charlatan approach for sure, but it works

If you worry about the chemical releasing in the air, then wrap the card with tin foil before putting it in the oven.

cheers ...
post #6 of 24
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Originally Posted by qhn View Post
I tried a heat gun over a card once and it did not go too well. No one seems to have a good "guide" on this thing. That's why the baking is so simple, charlatan approach for sure, but it works

If you worry about the chemical releasing in the air, then wrap the card with tin foil before putting it in the oven.

cheers ...


I just baked my GeForce Go 6600 yesterday and it works great! Just put it in the oven for 10 minutes at 385 F and voila, my card is working like new.
As for chemicals in the air, depending upon the oven in question the chemicals will be contained. I didn't have any 'burning plastic' smell throughout the process.
post #7 of 24
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I just baked my GeForce Go 6600 yesterday and it works great! Just put it in the oven for 10 minutes at 385 F and voila, my card is working like new.
As for chemicals in the air, depending upon the oven in question the chemicals will be contained. I didn't have any 'burning plastic' smell throughout the process.

did the heat sinks fall off from the heat? Im just curious if anyone knew what part of the card is the trouble spot thats causing it to go bad.
post #8 of 24
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did the heat sinks fall off from the heat? Im just curious if anyone knew what part of the card is the trouble spot thats causing it to go bad.
The heat sink is separate from the card. I just put the card in the oven; Keep in mind that I raised it off the baking sheet with flat-head screws that were larger than the holes for the original screws. This way the bottom of the card doesn't get direct heat from the pan...
post #9 of 24
As for the other method of soldering certain parts on the card, I have never seen anything like that on these forums. No clue where you'd find the whitesheets for your specific card either.
post #10 of 24
More information on putting a dead card in the oven...I have a 7950GTX in my e1705 and I'm sure it wont last forever.
post #11 of 24
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More information on putting a dead card in the oven...I have a 7950GTX in my e1705 and I'm sure it wont last forever.
Once it dies, get a baking sheet. Line the sheet with aluminum foil; use either foil or flat head screws (like I did) to keep the other side of the card from touching the baking sheet; Heat the oven to 385 F; Once the oven gets to 385 place sheet in oven for 10 minutes; remove after 10 minutes and let cool for 20 minutes; Then you should be ready to put card back in laptop, remembering to reapply thermal paste.
post #12 of 24
ok here is my take:
1- chemical release is no worse from you painting your kitchen with oil base paint
2- heat gun wont tell you the temp the part is at
3- the oven method work if you take your time and do it well
i have posted here and on get satisfaction the method in detail of how i did it here are the step i used

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well for those who doubt the "homemade reflow" i can garanty you it worked for me i had the same problem as the image posted here (green line and dot on the screen and been unable to run nvidia drive) i was also unable to get any image on the laptop screen without booting the laptop connected to a secondary screen.
*****THE FOLLOWING IS TO BE DONE AT YOUR OWN RISK AND IS NOT 100% GARANTIED*****
so basically here is how i did it:
1- open laptop and take out gfx card
2- unscrew hsf and carefully pry out hsf taking care not to squach or loose any of the blue thermal pad
3- clean gpu from the excess thermal compound
4- turn on oven at 190c "take note that the use of a oven thermometer is recommended as oven are not precise and you might have to play a bit with the oven temperature to get it close to 190c"
5- wait for oven to reach its temperature
6- while oven heat up prepare the gfx card by sitting it gpu upside up in a alumunium pie plate with little ball of aluminium to prevent it from sitting directly in the bottom of the plate also try to place the ball so that they touch the least amount of electronic part
7- carefully ounce the oven as reached its temperature put the plate with the gfx in the oven and close the door "this operation should be done rapidly as you dont want the oven to turn the heating element for to long to restablish its temperature"
8- wait 4 to 5 min and turn off oven "do not open door" leave it for another 4 min with oven at off and door closed, at this point you gfx should have been in the oven for ~9min at this point slightly open the door of the oven to slowly let the temprature fall for a good 30min **DO NOT TOUTCH THE CARD OR MOVE IT WHILE IT COOL** after that 30 minute periode fully open the oven door and wait another 15min before taking the card out of the oven, now be carefull even if the card might not feel that warm to the toutch the soldering joint are still weak and the card should be left for another good 15 min to cool down to room temprature.
9- you card is now ready to be reassembled i recommend you visit your computer shop prior to the whole operation and ask to get some ARTIC SILVER COMPOUND this will help eleviate part of the temprature problem *** carefull when applying the compound A.S. is conductive so care should be taken not to put any on the rest of the gfx and should be only a thin layer on the die itself ***
10- reseat the card in the laptop and reassemble the laptop, turn on the laptop and if all went fine you should be greeted by a fully working m1710

ps:mine as been working now for a full month without a bug playing a good 1 to 2 hours a day (r6 vegas2, graw, left 4 dead) and running some cad/cam around 4 to 6 hours (mastercam x3 and inventor 2009)

i also recommend you use I8Kfangui to monitor temp and set the fan to operate at slow as soon as it reach 40c on the cpu side and 50c on the gpu, i know this will shorten the battery charge but its that or a rapidly overheating lappy.

a little on how i decided to do my reflow i have based myself on how i do air tempering on metal part in my everyday job as a machinist.

hope this will help other as it did for me
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for your own info and for others
in i8kfangui go to option:
autostart --
select autostart

temperature control --
select enable cpu temperature control and enable both fan and set it as follow
1 60c - 50c -slow - fast
2 70c - 60c -fast - fast
3 80c - 70c -fast - fast
4 85c - 80c -fast - fast
select enable gpu temperature control and enable both fan and set it as follow
1 50c - 40c -slow - slow
2 60c - 50c -slow - fast
3 70c - 60c -fast - fast
4 80c - 70c -fast - fast

advanced--
temperature compensation
cpu temp. offset 2c
gpu temp. offset 10c

thats about it if anyone as question post ill do my best to help
also i would not advise people on spending there money on those service offered on ebay not because it wont work but i doubt the advantage of the 150$ spending, from the cooking it at home for 0.50c and +/- 1hr work
post #13 of 24
Nice post ataxy!!!
post #14 of 24
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Nice post ataxy!!!
REP

cheers ...
post #15 of 24
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Originally Posted by ataxy View Post
advanced--
temperature compensation
cpu temp. offset 2c
gpu temp. offset 10c

is that to say that i8kfangui is off by 10 degrees celsius? 38C reported by i8kfangui is actually 48C?
post #16 of 24
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is that to say that i8kfangui is off by 10 degrees celsius? 38C reported by i8kfangui is actually 48C?
yep some say 8 but i prefer 10
post #17 of 24
Heard about Speccy? It seems to report temp pretty accurate.

cheers ...
post #18 of 24
speccy seems to be pretty precise and does report the same temp as three other monitor that i have so i give it a thumb up
post #19 of 24
here is an interresting idea that was submitted by someone a getsatisfaction.com
credit goes to warpete
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I haven't visited this board in a while (or read the comments) but thought I would let people know what's been happening with my Dell XPS-M1710. I did the "bake in the oven" method about three months ago and it only worked for a few weeks before the card quit again. I'm a real pain in the neck when it comes to over-analyzing everything and I got a thought. Considering the Laptop lives its entire life in one orientation (base down) it is obvious that, over time, the weak solder flows DOWN towards the Motherboard until it is weak enough to lose contact. So-----why not let your own Laptop do the baking for you? With my card not functioning, I entered safe mode and then turned my Laptop upside down so that the keyboard was FLAT on a table and the screen was hanging down towards the floor (as in an "L" shape). I then walked away for about three hours. When I returned, I shut down the Laptop by holding in the power button (while it was still upside down). After it cooled, I placed the Laptop in its normal position and it booted up perfectly without corruption. So---another brainstorm! The heat generated by the graphics card while the Laptop was upside down caused the weak solder to flow the other way, thus making contact again and forming a good connection. So, what I now do is (and its a slight pain in the neck) is: I use the Laptop normally but turn it upside down every time I power off. This has always been an issue for me. Desktops have a third party solution but I do not know of any for Laptops. When a PC or Laptop is turned off---what happens? The fans stop abruptly and everything that generates heat is suddenly without cooling, causing a real spike in the temperature. Then they slowly cool. This spike in temperature can easily double the temps of these components after shutdown. So, I'm not sure that my card failed from normal use with the fans operating. I think it may have failed over time from repeated extreme temps after shutdown. I have now been running for about 11 weeks with no more issues (at this point). Every time I shut down I turn the Laptop upside down and let the solder flow back to where it should be. Every few days I turn the Laptop upside down and just let it run for 30 minutes or so and then power it down while still upside down. So far it's working perfectly and the card has not failed again. It may still fail, but I think this "Upside Down" method might be the answer I've been looking for. By the way, when the card failed again I left the Nvidia drivers alone. I did not uninstall them. In safe mode the Laptop used the normal VGA drivers for the display. After being upside down for a few hours, the Nvidia drivers worked properly. Maybe this "pain in the neck" procedure will help some others. Eventually Nvidia and Dell will pay!
post #20 of 24
I'd love to see that theory tested.
If it works, itd just become normal maintenance like getting rid of dust,
ran comp for 1/2 hour upside down then turn off that way? then dont talk to us :P
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