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GATEWAY: CAVEAT EMPTOR

post #1 of 23
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I thought I would share my experience with GATEWAY support with members here.
In June of 2009 I purchased a Gateway Series T laptop. By October it had developed booting problems and by November it was just not booting beyond an error screen repeated ad infinitum , accompanied by shrill beeping sounds.

I dutifully spent a day or two chatting with Gateway support. I came away from this so called support very dissatisfied and with a strange feeling that the guys on the other side knew less than an average Joe about laptops. Eventually they gave me their HIGHER level support number and asked me to call there for assistance.

After a terrible 30 minute struggle with the robot that answers the phone there I finally got it to recognize my serial number and not drop the call telling me it did not understand what I said or punched in! I felt elated as if I had just passed a terribly hard entrance exam. Then a chap who spoke a strange dialect of English took the call and though dryly polite, did not convey much confidence or knowledge. His main task was to play a recording for me as to how to pack the laptop to send it in to the repair center. The FEDEX number I was given to send in the box was later rejected by FEDEX and in the interest of not loosing another 30 minutes, I paid the shipping out of my own pocket.

a few weeks later the lap top came back, and right out of the box it had the very same symptoms for which I had sent it in! Obviously the boys at the repair center had nether repaired it nor did supervisor review and double check their accomplishment.

Suppressing my anger, I figured the chat guys, at the very least, would have a sympathetic ear and help me get expedited assistance. Wrong! They could not care less and asked me to do the very same thing I had done the last time. In other words, to call the same number and get tortured and rejected for an hour by the very same incompetent robot and later the customer service rep. Which I dutifully did, all the while hiding my anger at the meager and mediocre post sales support GATEWAY offers us saps who fall for their products.

As the repair guys celebrated, Christmas, Hanukah, New years etc, a whole month went by and I continued to not have my lap top. Finally sometime after Valentine's day I got my laptop back.

excited at the thought of actually getting some postponed work done - it had been 3 months plus, since I first started to have troubles- I rushed to turn it on. The machine beeped for about a minute but eventually booted. It updated some windows files and then asked for a reboot. It never recovered from the reboot as it went back to displaying the very same symptoms for which I had sent it in! The repair guys had struck again. By now I figured Gateway did not have a very high standard for hiring service techs!

Now 3months plus had gone by, two attempts had been made, so again suppressing my extreme frustration I went back to the chat, when it was suggested I do the same cycle again I gave up and wrote an email to support in hopes of getting someone who might actually help. As 15 emails later all they do is give me a canned answer which in generic terms reads as follows:

Quote:
"...Thank you for contacting Gateway. I apologize for the inconvenience that you have experienced.
We have verified your product serial number LXWBS0X00591100D742401 and it shows that your product is in warranty, software is out of warranty and serial number is registered.
I understand that your booting issue still persist even after getting the unit serviced.
I'm really sorry to inform you that because we do not sell direct we are not able to submit a refund for your product. Please get the unit repaired from our Service Depot free of cost to resolve the issue.
You can also contact our Voice Support at 866-539-3901 for further assistance in this regard.
I sincerely hope that one of these options provides a resolution for this issue.
Your Service Request Id is 1-63BK43............"

The line that catches my attention is: Since we do not sell directly we can not give refunds [and by extension Exchanges - as I have asked them to at least exchange it]. Obviously I am not keen on sending this back again for another 40 day stint at their lab, only to get it back a third time as it went in: UN-REPAIRED!!

I have asked them to exchange it since they are incapable of repairing it. yet they dodge the issue, and a few times they have promised a higher level support contact which they later negate! basically they are playing with me, neither able to repair my laptop in two tries spanning 3 months, nor letting me talk to anyone with any type of authority. Just chatting or corresponding with guys in a far away land, or battling it out with their robots!

I feel I was swindled by GATEWAY and now I am being stonewalled by them with no recourse or access of any kind to anyone who can actually give me a satisfactory settlement for my $700 wasted dollars.

Caveat Emptor!
post #2 of 23
That does suck, sorry to hear. I hope someone can comment and offer advice.
post #3 of 23
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Thanks for solidarity re Gateway

Hi
Indeed thanks for your reply. I too wish someone can give us a lead as to the best way to proceed with this grievance. The worst of it is I have absolutely no way of speaking with an actual party here in the USA who may have a say in the matter. GATEWAY prefers to hide behind ROBOTS and guys who speak English as a (very) foreign language; specially ones that do not have an iota of authority or responsibility and limit themselves to canned answers.

Thanks again.

Pirooz
post #4 of 23
You need to be patient (right, like you are not already) with these Support peoples. They have "different" support groups that barely communicate to each others. This is from my own experience with Gateway.

Submit a "new" request for repair on-line and flood them with more requests until you get a party that is willing to work correctly. Worst scenario I would take them to BBB.

Last but not least, elevate your issue with Acer

cheers ...
post #5 of 23
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Thanks for advice on GATEWAY impass

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Originally Posted by qhn View Post
You need to be patient (right, like you are not already) with these Support peoples. They have "different" support groups that barely communicate to each others. This is from my own experience with Gateway.

Submit a "new" request for repair on-line and flood them with more requests until you get a party that is willing to work correctly. Worst scenario I would take them to BBB.

Last but not least, elevate your issue with Acer

cheers ...
Thank you so much for reading and replying to my post. I do appreciate the advice. I had considered the BBB, and now you have re-enforced that idea; thanks.
It did not occur to me to elevate the complaint to ACER. I will open a new front by doing that.
Thanks again for great advice.

Pirooz
post #6 of 23
Good luck,

cheers ...
post #7 of 23
I was thinking BBB also! But I was also thinking fire bombing.

After reading qhn's post. It clicked what has worked for me and I advise others is persistence. When they realize you are not going away they start to address. The robot thing did/does throw me as to if that will work. I guess at this point if they make hoops and you jump through will they finally address? I guess we don't know, is it an automated circle jerk or are you going to make headway?

I say try a little more and of course Acer an the BBB are good simultaneous avenues.

Am I wrong? I can't buy direct from Gateway anymore? I could a little over a year ago. If I can't that goes toward the corporate cloaking that would frustrate us all. Anyway hang in there and best of luck.
post #8 of 23
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Resistance to the end

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Originally Posted by powerpack View Post
I was thinking BBB also! But I was also thinking fire bombing.

After reading qhn's post. It clicked what has worked for me and I advise others is persistence. When they realize you are not going away they start to address. The robot thing did/does throw me as to if that will work. I guess at this point if they make hoops and you jump through will they finally address? I guess we don't know, is it an automated circle jerk or are you going to make headway?

I say try a little more and of course Acer an the BBB are good simultaneous avenues.

Am I wrong? I can't buy direct from Gateway anymore? I could a little over a year ago. If I can't that goes toward the corporate cloaking that would frustrate us all. Anyway hang in there and best of luck.
Hello again Powerpack
Thanks so much for writing again. The support I have gotten here is very heartening and much appreciated.
Indeed I have persisted. I just finished my 20th email exchange with the e-mail support group. They are a resilient bunch. They stick to message. in 99% of their responses all they say is , " Dear so & so, we have checked your S/N and the good news is you are still covered, please send in your lap top to our service center, etc etc etc".
They ignore what they do not want to address. Once in a while they in response to a particularly aggressive reply from me, they will repeat that their superiors have stated that there is no option but this option. None.
I have written the BBB located in Irvine , CA, where gateway is located. No response so far (nor expected). I have found Acer, PR dept. mailing address, but not any email addresses. So maybe I will mail in an old fashioned letter.
I have posted the complaint on a few forums and also to PC Magazine and PC world sites (forums). I have written the PC World's consumer advocate columnist in the hopes they might find this interesting enough to focus on for their next month's issue; but who knows.
I am thinking about a small claims court, but I live in FL and gateway is in CA. Maybe if they have a rep office here it could work.
As for the tel line, you are right the robot is a mighty sentinel and getting through is a chore indeed; even assuming one does get through based on 4 contacts with them the whole thing is a waste. The support guys sound more like errand boys or political activists advocating a cause (Gateway's). Still, they are good at giving you packing instructions and FEDEX shipping codes that are duds.
I am keeping at it, however it takes a lot of will power not to breakdown in face of total ignorance by the other side.

I concur with you that Gateway has a deliberate strategy of keeping consumers (aka swindled suckers) out. The legion of useless support guys at chats, the impossible robot at the voice line, the unavailability of anyone with authority to contact is akin to a shark infested mote having been dug around their operations. " Approach me if you can " !

Regards,

Pirooz
post #9 of 23
Hang in there! I am really thinking a mini revolt against Gateway. Selling to retailers and absolving themselves of all responsibility? Great plan for the bean for counters? I really need qhn's steady oar as I sometimes go off the deep end.
post #10 of 23
Hello; Try to contact your State Attorney General's office, (retail devision I think). They have a lot more POWER, to get Gateway to repair or replace your laptop than the BBB ever will.

Good luck!

If have time, Go to www.my3cents.com and read about similar problems with many computer manufacturer's.
post #11 of 23
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Hi Jessie James
Thanks for the suggestion. I might try that soon. The hitch is Gateway offers to repair. but in 2 tries and 40 days they did not do a thing except have my laptop at their shop. shipping it back just as I shipped it to them. What I say is they are incapable of repairing it. I have not had my lap top in use since NOV of 2009. They should offer to exchange it. Their repair is a sham.
thanks again
regards,
post #12 of 23
It is a frustrating exercise for consumers when the repair comes back the way it was being sent in. All manufacturers have this lousy hiccup now and then. You need to be persistent, and after 2 or 3 tries they should either replace it or refund the money. You must see how Dell does this to their customers now and then.

Main thing is documenting everything, and I mean everything even taking pictures. It is a sad and shameful thing on the part of the manufacturers, but c'est la vie with these "peoples" now and then

cheers ...
post #13 of 23
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Hello again QHN
Thanks for your input. True enough but GATEWAY takes the cake. Look at this link where different MFG are ranked by consumers. The link is for the page relating to GATEWAY but you could navigate the site for others as well. http://www.customerservicescoreboard...eway+Computers .
I think everyone should look at how badly GATEWAY is and what hell their consumer support really is.
Indeed I have already sent in mine twice, only to get it back just the same as I sent it in. I may end up sending it in a third time, but I have no faith in their ability to repair it and I already see they are not interested in providing an exchange EVER! so it will be an uphill fight to get either a replacement or a refund. I am not giving up but admittedly have little optimism!
Thanks again for your support & post.
regards,
Pirooz
post #14 of 23
Hello again: Dose your states have a "lemon law" again you would still need to contact the local or state government to get this started but it sounds to me, as if you have a good case. You have done the correct things as far as trying to work with Gateway. But Gateway has not made your systems "whole".

I would check and see if your states have that law. Again the Government has a lot more pull than you or me (and right now that many government seats are up for reelection they work a little harder for the voting public).
post #15 of 23
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Hi again JessieJames
LOL, yes those seats are up for reelection! Good point. Thanks. I will go that route and see what I can gather about the lemon law. It might just give me some leverage if it exists for electronics.
Thanks again.
Pirooz
post #16 of 23
Luckily I have never had a problem with either of my Acer laptops but did at one time with a Toshiba I had. I took it in.....local authorized repair center...and it came back twice with same problems. The next time, I attached a detailed explanation of the problem by putting it under the laptop cover on the keyboard. Dont know if it was coincidental, but it was fixed on that third attempt
post #17 of 23
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Thank you

Hello Saugen48

Thank you for sharing your experience and what worked for you. I have included a memo each time, but they apparently apparently went unread if we are to judge by the results. It occurs to me that GATEWAY has no minimum requirements when it comes to hiring service guys. Reading is probably optional. Additionally you had the option of taking your laptop to a local repair shop; GATEWAY makes everything much harder by design.

Thanks again
post #18 of 23
I know, thats the only thing I didnt like about Acer was the fact that if you send it in for repairs, the shipping comes out of your pocket. Acer only pays for shipping if it goes in two or more times for the same problem
post #19 of 23
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Hi Again
well gateway twice gave me a code for shipping with FEDEX that FEDEX later rejected! It is so hard to get through the so called voice support to ask for the code or anything else that I paid out of pocket to ship via UPS anyway. So much for GATEWAY covering that cost!
Thanks for your post.
post #20 of 23
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ACER to the rescue

As a result of the continued effort to lay bare the sorry state of support at GATEWAY I was finally contacted by a representative from ACER (parent company of Gateway).

What a difference! The Acer contact was a delight to speak with and very understanding. After running a few checks they were in agreement that GATEWAY's handling f the affair was unfair at the very least. So now ACER will provide me with a refurbished acer laptop of very comparable quality with the same guarantee period of the GATEWAY.

I feel vindicated. Proving the robot like GATEWAY support flunkies wrong on all counts is very sweet.

Again my thanks to Acer for providing relief from the GATEWAY support's atrocious support & repair policies.

My thanks also to everyone here , specially at this Forum who gave me support and great ideas during the struggle. I will leave you all with a very useful email in case anyone needs support attention that really works when it comes to GATEWAY or ACER. This goes directly to a support person who cares and is ready to assist.
cic_helpdesk@tx.acer.com

best regards,
Pirooz
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