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Asus Z71V : Will not boot ; repaired !

post #1 of 24
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Hi
I'm wondering is there anyone still using a Z71V ? I've just repaired mine and realised something interesting while doing so . I'm going to vape the drive and reload XP . Is there a particular sequence drivers should be loaded in ?

If anyone's interested I'll post details of what I did to repair the machine , and what I noticed while doing so . It may have relevance to other laptops with similar problems . Note that I did not have to replace the video card , precisely because there was nothing wrong with it . Intrigued ?
post #2 of 24
You should just go ahead with the recap of your project. We all are interested here to know what other members do to their comps.

As far as XP installation, I go for chipset driver first after the 1st run of installation, then GPU, then the rest.

cheers ...
post #3 of 24
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Groovy . Just that it's an OLD model , and if nobody currently using one there'd be little point . Will write it up .
post #4 of 24
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Originally Posted by Cretin3 View Post
Hi
I'm wondering is there anyone still using a Z71V ? I've just repaired mine and realised something interesting while doing so . I'm going to vape the drive and reload XP . Is there a particular sequence drivers should be loaded in ?

If anyone's interested I'll post details of what I did to repair the machine , and what I noticed while doing so . It may have relevance to other laptops with similar problems . Note that I did not have to replace the video card , precisely because there was nothing wrong with it . Intrigued ?
Owners of 5 year old notebooks unite!

I'm still using my Z71V. Unfortunately, at one point about 3 and a half years in, my motherboard kicked the bucket so I had to get that and the video card replaced (since the mobo killed the video card), but now it's working smoothly again. I'm running Windows 7 on it and it works just fine - better than XP in several aspects.

The only XP driver quirk for the Z71V that I recall is ATK0100 should be loaded first AND its driver version needs to be more recent than the Intel wireless driver version or it causes issues.

edit: and of course we're interested to hear your findings
post #5 of 24
I just put in a review of my almost 6 years old MSI. Still a work horse among some other "old" ones that I still have

Some European shops are offering notebook leasing for private customers, I would think that it is the road I take should I want new models to try out every year

cheers ...
post #6 of 24
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Originally Posted by qhn View Post
I just put in a review of my almost 6 years old MSI. Still a work horse among some other "old" ones that I still have

Some European shops are offering notebook leasing for private customers, I would think that it is the road I take should I want new models to try out every year

cheers ...
nah, you have to pay for leasing. The answer is to do lots of reivews - then (in the best case) you get to try out all the new ones and they pay you!
post #7 of 24
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Originally Posted by Djembe View Post
nah, you have to pay for leasing. The answer is to do lots of reivews - then (in the best case) you get to try out all the new ones and they pay you!
I love this part

cheers ...
post #8 of 24
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Asus Z71V Will not boot ; repaired . (Verbose)

The Fault :
The laptop powers down instantly , without saving settings or hibernating . This first occurs after a period of extended use , but gets progressively worse . Eventually the laptop will not boot at all . It tries to boot but is cut off . The blue power LED illuminates for a few seconds , then dies without the drive even spinning up .

The Reason ? :
Everbody thinks the fault is in the VGA card . Some have had the card replaced and the problem has been resolved . Sometimes the problem had later recurred .
It sounds like a power problem . Something is killing the power , and is doing it for a reason ; it's not just a loose connection . So it's essential to make sure the PSU and battery are good .
It also sounds like a temp problem . A power shutdown like that is a low level action , maybe below BIOS level . It's critical stuff , like a chip hitting it's max temp .

The Z71V has a fairly restricted air path , from bottom to rear . It can get badly clogged . The fan and heatsink duct get fluffy , but the grilles at the rear are a veritable dust trap . It's easy to think you've cleaned everything out . But if you remove the heatsink and get a strong light on the grille inside it can be totally blocked without being obvious from outside .
The VGA sub-system and bridge chip are both on the same heatsink . If you remove the heatsink you'll notice two small blue pads . These are the thermal pads that transfer heat from the chips to the heatsink . Clearly they could be a lot bigger and transfer a lot more heat . The pad on the VGA chip doesn't even cover the memory chips mounted on the same sub-board . This can't be right . Memory chips get hot .
The heatsink is designed for bigger pads , almost four times bigger , so up to four times more heat could be transferred away . The assembly doesn't agree with the design . Replacing the pads for larger pieces might cure some problems , and prevent others .
In addition to a better thermal connection , the even physical pressure of a larger pad might combat one of the failure modes of SMD chips ; badly soldered pins "lifting" due to thermal expansion and contraction .

What pad to use ?
There are a few types available . I chose Bergquist Gap Pad S3000S30 in a 1mm thickness . It has a very good combination of softness , insulation , and thermal conductivity . It's soft enough to mould around the chips , maximising contact area .

The Repair :
Simply put ; replace the existing thermal pads with bigger , better ones .
NOTE that if you remove the heatsink you really should replace the pads .
Be careful when removing the heatsink . The gap pad is slightly sticky , so wriggle it off while holding the VGA card .
It is worth removing and replacing the VGA card so as to "wipe" the contacts in case some have become oxidised or low pressure .
Clean the grilles at the rear of the chassis thoroughly , get a strong light on it .
Keep everything clean , dirty fingerprints on the chips , pads , or heatsink , aren't desireable .
Cuts pieces of pad from a sheet or use pre-cut pads at least an inch square .
When refitting the heatsink place it carefully so as not to "ruck" the pad .
Tighten the screws in sequence , just finger tight , do not torque it down . Let it settle for a ten minutes , then tighten again .
After warming up a few times the screws might need tightening again , but they never need be more than finger tight .

The Result :
The laptop runs like a dream , perfecly solid . It's amazing how much cooler the keyboard is .
post #9 of 24
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Asus Z71V Will not boot ; repaired . (Simplex)

Replace the existing thermal pads on the VGA / Bridge chip heatsink with bigger and better ones . The best balance of characteristics , as far as I can see , is Bergquist S3000S30 1mm .
My apparently dead laptop now works perfectly .
post #10 of 24
Interesting. I am gonna your guide a shot on my Z83V. The symptoms are exactly what you described.

cheers ...
post #11 of 24
An alternate solution to the same (or similar issue) is what smilkepak and I did (as well as a lot of others): we got a new custom heatsink that is much more efficient than the standard one and cools better. Unfortunately, White Heat, the guy who designed and manufactured them, stopped selling them a couple years ago, but for those who got them, they work very well.
post #12 of 24
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Alternate heatsink ?

Interesting . Was it an alloy casting ? Did it still fit the chassis and case panels ? Not exactly an easy thing to CAD and make , but a pretty bulletproof solution !
I don't suppose anybody's sourced the original fan . The canadian estore appear to have some , but I've had no luck with them so far .
I'd be pretty disappointed if that was the next thing to fail !
post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by Cretin3 View Post
Interesting . Was it an alloy casting ? Did it still fit the chassis and case panels ? Not exactly an easy thing to CAD and make , but a pretty bulletproof solution !
I don't suppose anybody's sourced the original fan . The canadian estore appear to have some , but I've had no luck with them so far .
I'd be pretty disappointed if that was the next thing to fail !
It was custom made for the Z71V. It's made of aluminum. Here's the development thread (it's in a forum pretty much exclusively devoted to the Z71V that died out when most folks got a new computer): http://www.builtonasus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10
post #14 of 24
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VERY impressive work !

Now that's a project ! He sure went the full nine yards . Respect .
post #15 of 24
Hey guys. I'm still using my Z71V pretty much every day. Of course, the battery only lasts about 7 minutes when un-plugged, but anyway...

What video driver are ya all using on this thing nowadays? Mine has been getting pretty bad as far as stuttering and being all choppy. I haven't done a Windows reinstall in many years and thought maybe I could at least try to update the drivers.

Nothing on the laptopvideo2go site is looking at all familiar to me and the ASUS support site is useless. Thanks in advance!
post #16 of 24
I switched operating systems, so I'm currently running the 179.67 driver with Windows 7.
post #17 of 24
I hope this fixes my z71v since mine has the same problem you are stating.
post #18 of 24
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Check PSU and Battery

@Geekforever
I'd be inclined to make certain that the power supply (PSU) and battery are okay before doing anything with the heatsink . Power supplies can test okay when not connected to the laptop yet still be causing grief .
A telltale sign of a bad PSU is a whining noise apparently coming from the VGA card . This is caused by the power filtering components on the card trying to reject interference generated by the PSU .
When the PSU is not connected to the laptop there is no 'load' on it , so it may perform perfectly , thus giving the erroneous impression that it's okay .
Batteries are a different matter . The batteries for the Z71V have a history of problems and are very difficult to replace . Having been through a number of worthless new batteries , I'd say the best course is to replace the cells inside the original battery casing . It may not seem easy but it may well be less grief than other options .
Once those possibilities are exhausted , I'd try a better heatsink pad (Bergquist) first and only then think of baking the card .
Good Luck , Cretin3 .
post #19 of 24
wouldn't it boot without the battery installed?

How would I test the function of the psu other than replacing it?
post #20 of 24
i have a z71v that when i turn it on all i get is the intel logo and it just sits there. sometimes i can get it to go into the bios and everything looks fine. i actually got it to boot once but it took forever to come of the intel logo screen and boot. any ideas?
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