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post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
I have this extremely annoying high pitch sound coming from my mobo

I have removed everything including graphics card and CPU from the board and powered it on, for the split seconds it turns on I can still here this sound.

I have pin pointed it to the DC jack area on the board.

I have previously repaired this DC jack (3 years ago) and was wondering could a bad solder joint or perhaps a faulty DC jack cause this sound ?

Or maybe something I'm missing ?
post #2 of 21
How about another power cord or another outlet first to verify?

cheers ...
post #3 of 21
Thread Starter 
Yeh tried another power cord same result

I should mention that I recently had to reformat my HDD because of cpu usage at constant 100%

I have a triple boot system with XP, vista and windows 7, after running Xp and vista without the cpu issue I determined that it was an issue with my windows 7 OS.
After reinstalling, windows 7 worked again without the cpu issue.

But I have a feeling the 2 issues are related possible voltage issue with windows seven using more power and stressing my board ?
post #4 of 21
Sounds like cpu whine. RMclock used to be amazing at fixing it. It doesn't support anything past the E core 2 quad series though...aka pre-feb 2008 only....could still give it a shot.

With it you can decrease the voltage and such.

Just so you know, it's always making a whine, it's jsut sometimes more audible if it comes down to 19000hz or so.

I really doubt it's the 'dc' jack, and since your cpu is around that area, it's probably that, and yes windows 7 might have a different power profile telling the cpu to run at a different voltage than what's set up in the bios while having no load causing that to stick when it goes into the low power settings, and therefore causing the whine, thankfully it means you can eventually fix it.

By the way, I've had this before and fixed it with RMclock utility. ****ing amazing piece of free software.
post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 
How exactly do you use RM Cpu Clock Utility to lower the voltage?
There doesn't seem to be a lot of extra control with this program.

could I have downloaded the wrong version?

I use a program called Notebook Hardware Control - http://www.pbus-167.com/
for voltage control

another good program - http://www.winaddons.com/speedfan-437/

and this for Dell temperature control by way of fan control - http://www.diefer.de/i8kfan/index.html

Do you think if I use NHC maybe to lower the voltage or power it will reduce or extinguish this sound ?

or what settings in RM Cpu Clock Utility should I use to achieve silence
post #6 of 21
eah we know about all those :P They are pretty much the required things for working with dells, other than a lot of patience and a strong urge to not kill yourself when they break all the time.
For RMclock your cpu HAS to be supported and since demitri hasn't been working on it since I've been on those forums, that means only laptops with cpus and chipsets pre-early2008 will work.

For RMClock, be sure you downloaded word for word, RMCLOCK UTILITY beta 2.2 (RC3), or 2.35 (I use 2.2, it seemed to work better)

Then for relief play around with it. :P

You can do it without running the HLT command, but if you absolutely must, you can use that as a last resort, and it SHOULD kill the ringing sound by putting the cpu under some load all the time.
HLT command works well, but it's a bit annoying to work with. The cpu power it uses will be freed up upon using a program, but your temperatures will be higher than usual, by a couple degreesish. HLT command is found in the management tab.


The ringing is actually caused by a bad resonance at around 18khz, our upper limit of hearing. In order to push this resonance higher you need to kick the cpu out of wanting to go into low power mode, change the voltage / frequency it uses at low power mode, or what I do, all of the above and all that I have listed. Completely works.

That can be solved by the following;

-Keep the cpu ACTIVE even a teeny bit! Best way is to have the usb hub on all the time

- Change system power settings over to rmclock's control, and change the preformance in rmclock to always on.

- Prevent the cpu from going into low power mode by disabling the pop-down / pop-up controls, and disable c4e c5e sleep states (they are the ones that cause the issue)

-Change some of the voltages by about 0.025V, I found that to be the best spots, but the upper ones should be fine, what I have listed is for undervolting, but it seems to work great for the whine as well.

Make sure your cpu is SUPPORTED if you see a crap load of stuff blanked out, it's either not activated, not correctly installed or not supported. Theres a few ways to force it to activate through the registry, but only a couple settings will work if your cpu isn't supported. message here OR on RMclock's forum if there's issues.

My settings are here. Thats after unlocking everything and a LOT of tinkering.
Please note that this worked for me and all testing was done under a pentium 3, C2D and Core Duo platforms that had mild to severe whine (C2D the worst)

But for a quick fix, I know that HLT command works, and amazingly well. My settings avoid increasing cpu temps and will stop the cpu from dropping into its "enhanced/annoying" mode. It might nessicarily not work for you though, so if it doesn't work again, HLT command all the way, a few degrees matters to me, but to you it's probably nothing compared to sweet ear release. (Just keeps the cpu under some load)


post #7 of 21
This should maybe be stickied for future use, just throwing it out there, unless smth is already up about it.
post #8 of 21
Thread Starter 
Ok first things first, I could not find a download link for RMCLOCK UTILITY beta 2.5

The closest I could find was RM CPU Clock Utility version 2.35.0 - http://cpu.rightmark.org/download.shtml

I messed around with it in a kinda unknowing fashion adjusting setting with no real change in the laptop. Maybe I need to change a setting or option to give RM CPU Clock Utility control of my laptop.

A lot of options were grayed out in "advanced CPU settings" illustrated in the image below and a few grayed out in other options. Most but not all of the option grayed out in "advanced CPU settings" are to do with the Intel core family which my CPU is unfortunately not a member. Maybe I need to activate the program in the registry as you referred to in a previous post to get full functionality.



I pretty sure my CPU should be supported it's a 2GHz Dothan Pentium M

I tried the HLT command with no change in the sound, but I'm assuming if the program is not functioning fully this could be the reason for that.

So I still have a teenage high-pitched deterrent laptop.
post #9 of 21
babog2001, you're running a laptop that's at least 4 plus years old. My diagnosis without actually hearing for myself is that you've got a bearing that's crapping out in one or more of your fans. They spin fastest when first booting-up, slowdown, then speed-up again later when things get too hot.

Forget the under-volting fan controlling apps. Instead try this test. Unplug your GPU fan and boot-up your machine. If the noise is gone that was the culprit. If the noise is still there then plug back in your GPU and unplug your CPU. If the noise is gone it was the culprit.

If the noise is still there when the fans are unplugged then you've got me stumped unless it's coming from one of the speakers (then you may have a short that's causing it).

I hope this helps,

Ciao

Edit: Don't forget to run above tests quickly, just long enough to hear the noise or get into Windows. You don't want to be running without fans for too long and fry out something that's working.
post #10 of 21
Sounds like you have an old motherboard, have you check if there is any busted electrolite capacitor near the power section. You said you unpluged everything does this include the hard drive...motors on hard drives can cause a high pitch. unplugh speakers, check cpu fan.

good luck
post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by Tiburon666 View Post
babog2001, you're running a laptop that's at least 4 plus years old. My diagnosis without actually hearing for myself is that you've got a bearing that's crapping out in one or more of your fans. They spin fastest when first booting-up, slowdown, then speed-up again later when things get too hot.

Forget the under-volting fan controlling apps. Instead try this test. Unplug your GPU fan and boot-up your machine. If the noise is gone that was the culprit. If the noise is still there then plug back in your GPU and unplug your CPU. If the noise is gone it was the culprit.

If the noise is still there when the fans are unplugged then you've got me stumped unless it's coming from one of the speakers (then you may have a short that's causing it).

I hope this helps,

Ciao

Edit: Don't forget to run above tests quickly, just long enough to hear the noise or get into Windows. You don't want to be running without fans for too long and fry out something that's working.

It COULD be that, but the fan bearing makes a different 'whine' then the cpu does. It's similar to the whine ram makes if you listen really closely to it, but much more audiable. ~17000-18000khz.

I'm really surprised that the HLT command didn't work. For my C2D, pentium 3 and Core duo it worked immediately.

You should definately go with those guys suggestions, it's hard to discribe a certain type of 'whine' on here.

I'll look into the unlocking of all the options and how I did it when I have a tad more time, you can probably find it, just type rmclock unlock options registry in google, you might get smth.

There is indeed no 2.5, that was my royal screw up. I did mean 2.35 for latest compatibility but now that I know your cpu, try to get a version that recently supported your cpu maybe? For me the latest version really sucked and nothing would work well, so I stuck with version 2.2 RC3 beta.

Yeah my instructions are better for a C2D. And from what I see you don't have any low power options at all. For mine I did and they were ACTIVE before I adjusted them all off.

Another good idea if you do the things the dudes suggested above is to actually go to the RMclock forum and post it there, those guys have gotten the cpu whine question alot over the years, even combing through the forums there woould be beneficial. Be sure to go through what RMclock supports and see if your cpu is there, but those forums are definately better than here for JUST rmclock stuff.


Another question, does this sound happen ALL the time? Cause the cpu whine for the core 2 duo only occurs when it goes into low power settings while idling. Aka. Does this happen while playing a game or smth using all the cpu juice? In that case HLT command might not work. Again though, I'm not the BEST person, I've just used it a ton, Dmitri on the RMclock forums knows exactly how it works and what's supported for that function...just cause it turns on doesn't mean it works, same with unlocking all the options.

Hope you can quell that ****er down.
myke
post #12 of 21
Also did you do everything "I" suggested too? Like keeping a usb device plugged in? For the core / 2d series at least this buzzing is some capacitors related to the cpu apparently as opposed to the actual cpu, apparently, fix should be the same though as I mentioned, stop it from going past the C1 sleep state.

If you tried the 'fan' fix, go here for more alternatives for the cpu whining.
http://cpunoise.shrtl.com/pmwiki.php?n=Main.Fix
post #13 of 21
Thread Starter 
Tiburon666, I checked with everything removed including fans.
The fan bearings were the first thing I checked.

thanks anyway.

datatech, again the HDD would have been one of the first things I checked, however I have not checked for busted electrolite capacitors and think this is a likely culprit. thanks for the input.

matchbox2022 thanks for all your input so far.

I had a feeling the problem was on the mobo side of things, (as I mentioned in my first post I removed everything from the board and still the sound persisted) even so this would not eliminate a software fix if voltage or something similar was the issue, which is why I tested with Rmclock,

I did not try using an external USB as suggested because I do not want a USB device plugged in all the time and would not consider this a proper fix.

The sound is there almost all of the time and does not seem to decrease or increase during higher or lower usage, or while in different states.

I'm hopeful on closer inspection I will find a damaged cap (I just happen to be doing my first cap replacement on a friends laptop)

Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm assuming that a damaged cap its self would not make the sound but is possibly causing something else to make the sound (e.g. CPU) because of poor or fluctuating voltage distribution.
post #14 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by babog2001 View Post
Tiburon666, I checked with everything removed including fans.
The fan bearings were the first thing I checked.

thanks anyway.

datatech, again the HDD would have been one of the first things I checked, however I have not checked for busted electrolite capacitors and think this is a likely culprit. thanks for the input.

matchbox2022 thanks for all your input so far.

I had a feeling the problem was on the mobo side of things, (as I mentioned in my first post I removed everything from the board and still the sound persisted) even so this would not eliminate a software fix if voltage or something similar was the issue, which is why I tested with Rmclock,

I did not try using an external USB as suggested because I do not want a USB device plugged in all the time and would not consider this a proper fix.

The sound is there almost all of the time and does not seem to decrease or increase during higher or lower usage, or while in different states.

I'm hopeful on closer inspection I will find a damaged cap (I just happen to be doing my first cap replacement on a friends laptop)

Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm assuming that a damaged cap its self would not make the sound but is possibly causing something else to make the sound (e.g. CPU) because of poor or fluctuating voltage distribution.
mayyyybe its a cap. Iunno. worth a try though, I've reached the limit of it being cpuwhine if you tried all those options. pretty sure your cpu is supported by it.
post #15 of 21
How about another hard drive? Try boot the comp and run it from a CD (Ubuntu disk per example)? The noise can be from these area ...

cheers ...
post #16 of 21
Any news?
post #17 of 21
Thread Starter 
OK I think the sound is being caused by the HDD, but it is defiantly not the source of the sound.

The sound seems to be in sync with the HDD activate LED, but is coming from a small component on the other side of the board over beside the CPU.

I am pretty sure I have pin pointed which component is making the sound ( I will post pictures, having technical issue with video editing software, cant import image from device)

When I say I "pin pointed" it I mean I moved my ear around very close to the board and when the noise sounded the loudest I placed my finger under my ear to see which component I was over.

This was the best I could do to pin point the source.

This laptop has an IDE HDD which I replaced before because of a similar sound, that was a few years ago before I had any real knowledge in this field.
The sound was defiantly gone when I changed it out but I don't know when it started again.

I still have that HDD and use it all the time as an external usb HDD.
I changed my drive around with the old one(just for the hell of it) and the sound persisted, unsurprisingly since a similar sound was why I had changed it out in the first place.
I also booted backtrack from a SATA HDD connected via USB adapter and the sound persisted.
I did not boot from a CD as it is defiantly the HDD activate causing the sound and any HDD will cause said sound, and I do not intend to boot form CD as my main OS.

So were I'm at at the moment is that I don't want to rush out and by a replacement IDE HDD, considering it will sooner or later cause the component on this board to make this sound.

If I can change this component out (looks like a through hole)
I will.

maybe when I post pictures some light will be spread.

P.S. the sound is nearly unbearable now and has defiantly increased in pitch over time.
post #18 of 21
Have you ever thought about putting some plastic between the caddy and the drive? Kinda insulate it from the internal housing. same type of plastic that you see by the ram modules separating the board and the ram. Give it a try with the next drive and see.

cheers ...
post #19 of 21
Yeah Im thinking this will be useful in the future if fixed. I don't want to suggest any radical things that might break ur mobo. Just some IC chip acting funny....you COULD attempt to sound proof it if you found the chip with some foam...might help, and loud music :P
post #20 of 21
Thread Starter 
I booted the HDD externally to eliminate any contact with internal housing, sound still persists.

insulating this sound will not achieve anything (it's so f***ing LOUD!)

The only way to drown it out is music LOL.

this is a poor picture of the source

The text on top of this component reads
SCF
OR5
EF7
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