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Can I Flash the Bios in my M6300 with M1730 Bios

post #1 of 16
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Ok this is my first ever post/thread. I am way way in over my head technically so please be patient

Ok what I am trying to achieve:

Im looking into upgrading my M6300 CPU to one of the extreme versions, the ones that can be overclocked.

As you might know Dell in their infinite wisdom sold M6300 with Extreme chips but with no overclocking support in bios.
As far as my research went this is the only way to overclock.

I did however find out that the M1730 bios DOES allow overclocking on extreme CPUs.

Then the Idea came to my head what if i could use the M1730 bios file flash my m6300 bios to trick it, maybe it would allow me to use the overclocking features available on the M1730.

As far as I know M6300 and M1730 use THE EXACT SAME chipset and motherboard. Even the drivers available on Dell for the chipset are identical (exact same file and code) for both.

But I am really scared I will end up bricking my laptop and.... I would die i really would . So please only replies from any one that was crazy enough to try this hehe or someone with extremely advanced technical knowledge i could rely on.

I have some other questions but lets see how this one goes first
post #2 of 16
Very tempting as you mentioned I don't know for sure, but Dave might give you a tip or 2 when he comes by. I would think that if the comp does not like the BIOS it would give you a warning or stop you cold in the track

cheers ...
post #3 of 16
Thread Starter 
hmm Dave sounds good cant wait till he shows lol.
the thing is im scared to do somthing from which there is no return. See even if id do it but then some fault would arise well as long as it boots up again i could always just flash back the correct current bios A13. Problem is what if I get bricked and basically there wont be a way back...
post #4 of 16
The only time that a BIOS flash would brick a comp is when someone pulls the plug during the flashing - according to all my years of BIOS flashing experience

cheers ...
post #5 of 16
Thread Starter 
Ive read some threads where people say if you flash a bios with inappropriate file that the laptop could get bricked up, are you saying theres actually very small chance of that happening and basically i could try it out and it would almost 100% boot up?
post #6 of 16
It would have to be a forced flash to do this.

And yes it does carry a high risk of bricking the motherboard.

It is possible it may work, but usually this kind of thing = Dead Laptop.

Before any attempt was made I would setup the original BIOS on a USB key or CD to be able to do a blind recovery flash.

Search the forums here, there are topics on blind flashing.

That way you maybe albe to flash the original BIOS back if all else fails.
post #7 of 16
Are you nuts? If there is the slightest thing different on the motherboard it won't even boot. Remember there is the beginning bootstrap of the bios that doesn't get flashed. But relying on that to bring you back from the dead isn't good at all. If you REALLY want to try this, obviously find out how to recover the SYSTEM bios from a bad flash by using the bootstrap (to initiate I think for dells you need to have all power disabled and hold the end key as plugging it in, then you should get a red light.) Or by physically finding out where the bios chip is on the system board, and getting a replacement bios on a duplicate chip from ebay or smth to that extent so you 'could' resolder in a pinch.
post #8 of 16
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omg i knew i was way in over my head.... :-( in the meantime i have been looking and looking and there is this program setfsb http://www13.plala.or.jp/setfsb/ i tried going down the whole list of pll numbers but it was making errors on almost all. the ones that didnt error didnt show correct values. any ideas if my P965 is supported or if any other program can be used instead and whats my damn pll number lol
post #9 of 16
PLL and chipset are locked. The only way to overclock is a custom motherboard, bios, or a proper cpu with unlocked multiplier. I've yet to find out about a pinmod for this cpu. Sorry man. I looked hard and long myself, and given its an old laptop, nothing new is bound to show up.

However in light of my negativity. A newer version of setfsb or even cpucool or speedfan might have it. You can google the pll module used, or just look inside yourself. Not sure where'd you find it, I'd start with around the cpu though. I say that because even though the chipset is locked, I can still adjust my ram timings with memset, so there might be hope for the bus speed too.
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by UKguy View Post
Ok this is my first ever post/thread. I am way way in over my head technically so please be patient

Ok what I am trying to achieve:

Im looking into upgrading my M6300 CPU to one of the extreme versions, the ones that can be overclocked.

As you might know Dell in their infinite wisdom sold M6300 with Extreme chips but with no overclocking support in bios.
As far as my research went this is the only way to overclock.
If you want to overclock CPU on your M6300, a special bios (like XPS 1730M Bios) isn't required anymore.

Please read this: http://forum.notebookreview.com/hard...r-windows.html

Someone has tried it on M6300 with Extreme Cpu (x7900) and it works!
post #11 of 16
WELL. Im stunned.

Hope it works for you.
post #12 of 16
BTW would LOVE an explanation with how that works. That gives the e1705 the potential to use the t7600g for realskies.
post #13 of 16
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BTW would LOVE an explanation with how that works. That gives the e1705 the potential to use the t7600g for realskies.
Theoretically the solution proposed should work with all cpu with unlocked multiplier on all notebook.

So it should work with E1705 + T7600G and other 2006's Dell notebooks (i.e. 9400 + T7600G and M90 + T7600G).

I haven't a Extreme CPU so I can't confirm, please try yourself if you are interested on overclock by higher multiplier
post #14 of 16
I thought it was more of a bios lockout of the multipliers as opposed to anything else, otherwise RMCLOCK should work for me to do the same thing, but it doesn't without bios support.

Still if this works, again I'd love to know how.
post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by matchbox2022 View Post
I thought it was more of a bios lockout of the multipliers as opposed to anything else, otherwise RMCLOCK should work for me to do the same thing, but it doesn't without bios support.

Still if this works, again I'd love to know how.
Bios is software and it do some particular operation that probably even other software can do.

RmClock developers haven't found out what should be done
Instead ThrottleStop developers have found it and they have added the necessary code to theirs product.

What is the operation that unlock higher multiplier I don't know.
Please read the linked thread to see if someone explain it in more detail.

Unlocking Higher multiplier functionality of ThrottleStop is working (at least with M6300) because I have a friend that confirms that with ThrottleStop he can overclock his X7900 (on Dell M6300) to 2.92GHz (stable) and to 3.2GHZ (unstable but now we are on hot summer).
post #16 of 16
All ThrottleStop does is it modifies one register within your CPU so the multiplier and VID voltage on Core 2 Extreme CPUs can be adjusted higher. No bios support is needed for this. It's incredibly simple and should work on any Extreme CPU. I haven't heard of a single Core 2 Extreme CPU that doesn't support this new feature.

ThrottleStop also works with the newer Core i7 920XM/940XM and is helping them set world records with its ability to adjust the turbo TDP/TDC and turbo multiplier settings.

For the Core 2 CPUs, you can then adjust the voltage request register up to as high as 1.5000 volts. That gives you lots of room to do some serious overclocking and get things stable.

The practical 24/7 limit for the quad cores is about 3.4 GHz to 3.6 GHz while the dual cores can usually run at 3.6 GHz or 3.8 GHz. For the CPUs with a 200 MHz bus speed, the maximum multiplier goes up in steps of 1.0 but if the bus speed is 266 MHz, those CPUs go up in steps of 0.5.

I've seen bench stable screen shots of a QX9300 running at 4.16 GHz with this new trick.

Once the CPU has been unlocked, you can quit ThrottleStop if you like and it will remain unlocked until your next reboot. This allows you to unlock it and if you want you can run RM Clock and that program should be able to see and use the higher multiplier that is now available. You don't need to use RM Clock but that's an option if you like RMC. RMC is no longer being developed so if you are using it with the newer 45nm CPUs then you will need to do a registry edit or two for it to work more or less correctly with your CPU.

Lots of fun. Better head to ebay before too many people learn about this new trick and the price of Extreme CPUs goes up and up.

ThrottleStop 2.89
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/...rottleStop.zip
http://www.mediafire.com/?ddm0gqen8iclz7q
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