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post #141 of 216
Ok, got some more info on the A Series from Sony...

The hard drive is upgradable ... here's the conversation:

ME: "Oh, and one other question, can your hard drives be upgraded? I know that with your TR2 series, they are very difficult to get to and upgrade ... is it the same with the A series, or will I be able upgrade it fairly easily..."

Shane: "This A series Notebook is supplied with 80GB hardisk..."

Shane: "It has L2 Cache Memory of up to 2MB"

Shane: "you can upgrade the notebook with internal hard drive by taking it to a Service center."

Shane: "Alternatively you may opt for a\n external Hard Drive"

ME: "That means, I can purchase a hard drive separately and bring it into a Serice Center for them to put in correct?"

Shane: "Yes you are right."
post #142 of 216
I am really excited about purchasing the new A series, but first I am trying to find out if the docking station will support DVI passthrough of up to 1600x1200 for my external LCD 20" monitor. Does anyone know how I can find this information??? thanks.
post #143 of 216
Just saw the Sony A Series A190 at my local CompUSA today.
XBrite WUXGA screen is just beautiful.
post #144 of 216
I could be totally wrong, but I just noticed a 2.0 GHz Processor listed on Sonystyle' web site. I don't recall seeing this option before on the custom configuration page. It's an addtional $1000 from the 1.7 GHz base cost.

post #145 of 216
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peepers
I could be totally wrong, but I just noticed a 2.0 GHz Processor listed on Sonystyle' web site. I don't recall seeing this option before on the custom configuration page. It's an addtional $1000 from the 1.7 GHz base cost.

I think you're right, it is a new option.

$1000 though? Aieee!
post #146 of 216
oo and you know what else, to go from 512 mb of ram to 2 gigs its $2,050 thats f***ing extortion. but i guess u dont have to buy it from them.
post #147 of 216
yeah dell also goes overboard on the ram, buying from a place like newegg is a must.
post #148 of 216
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peepers
It's an addtional $1000 from the 1.7 GHz base cost.
Intel® Pentium® M Processor 2 GHz [add $1,400.00]
Intel® Pentium® M Processor 1.8 GHz [add $800.00]
Intel® Pentium® M Processor 1.7A GHz [add $500.00]
Intel® Pentium® M Processor 1.5 GHz [add $300.00]
Intel® Celeron® M Processor 1.4 GHz

Here's hoping the CPU on the S series is user-upgradeable. I'd just order a 1.4 or 1.5 (whatever's the cheapest they offer), then swap it out for a Dothan.
post #149 of 216
The prices quoted by bloke are amazing! Does a user's CPU upgrade void their warranty?
post #150 of 216
Oh man, what a dilemma.
I'm in Richmond VA now and will be driving through Delaware where there is no sales tax. I just checked the CompUSA in Wilmington Delaware and the A190 is in stock.
Now I have to deecide if I just keep driving or stop over and pick one of these up tax free.
post #151 of 216
Quote:
Originally Posted by hawkeye
Just saw the Sony A Series A190 at my local CompUSA today.
XBrite WUXGA screen is just beautiful.
I'm very very interested on this one!
How huge and heavy is it?
D'you think is it possible using it as a "notebook" or only as "desktop" replacement?

Thank U!


JAGO

EDIT:

Sorry, in a recent review about A190 it was written that battery life is about 70 minutes (MobileMark02)
Only 70 minutes ?!!!!
Naaaa, say me it's wrong. Please..............
post #152 of 216
OK, we have a 17-inch A-series in for review. Just to clrify in case there's any doubt, it's running a radeon 9700 mobility with 64MB vid mem, core clock 391MHz, mem 229MHz.

Size and weight wise, it's probably a little thinner than a Sager 8790, and definitely a little lighter. I took it on a press trip including plane flight this week and it was just OK from a portability standpoint. The chassis is pretty nice, very stylish, much better looking than any Sager.

Screen is stunning, oh-my-god bright, pretty much the best LCD display I have ever seen, and I've seen a few. Only slight demerit is repsonse times - good for a notebook, but not as good as the best desktop LCDs.

As for people complaining about the 64MB of vid memory, well they're actually being pretty stupid. The fact is, the 9700 mobility isnt fast enought o make use of more than 64MB properly - to make use of 128MB or more you need to be running at very high resolution with AA and Aniso enabled, and in any remotely recent game, the 9700 mobility GPU isn't capable of that thanks to only having 4 pixel pipes with one TMU per pipe, so having extra memory is pretty pointless, especially the 256MB in some Sagers, that's a total gimmick. You'd need the power of an eight pipe 9800 Pro, bare minimum, to make use to mroe than 64MB of video memory, so don't kid ourself otherwise.

In fact, the only downside to the 64MB od video memory is the limitation it puts on multiple display set ups. With the integrated panel running at 1,920x1,200, I think 64MB limits you to 1,600x1,200 external.

Oh, and the lack of DVI out kinda sucks too, especially as the VGA out on our review sample isn't terribly wonderful.
post #153 of 216
Caboosemoose, mind telling me where I will be able to read the review of this unit?
post #154 of 216
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jago
I'm very very interested on this one!
How huge and heavy is it?
D'you think is it possible using it as a "notebook" or only as "desktop" replacement?

Thank U!


JAGO

EDIT:

Sorry, in a recent review about A190 it was written that battery life is about 70 minutes (MobileMark02)
Only 70 minutes ?!!!!
Naaaa, say me it's wrong. Please..............
where did you read this review?
post #155 of 216
Yes, where can we find your review?
Battery life is so bad?

Thanks!

JAGO
post #156 of 216
Quote:
Originally Posted by caboosemoose
OK, we have a 17-inch A-series in for review. Just to clrify in case there's any doubt, it's running a radeon 9700 mobility with 64MB vid mem, core clock 391MHz, mem 229MHz.

Size and weight wise, it's probably a little thinner than a Sager 8790, and definitely a little lighter. I took it on a press trip including plane flight this week and it was just OK from a portability standpoint. The chassis is pretty nice, very stylish, much better looking than any Sager.

Screen is stunning, oh-my-god bright, pretty much the best LCD display I have ever seen, and I've seen a few. Only slight demerit is repsonse times - good for a notebook, but not as good as the best desktop LCDs.

As for people complaining about the 64MB of vid memory, well they're actually being pretty stupid. The fact is, the 9700 mobility isnt fast enought o make use of more than 64MB properly - to make use of 128MB or more you need to be running at very high resolution with AA and Aniso enabled, and in any remotely recent game, the 9700 mobility GPU isn't capable of that thanks to only having 4 pixel pipes with one TMU per pipe, so having extra memory is pretty pointless, especially the 256MB in some Sagers, that's a total gimmick. You'd need the power of an eight pipe 9800 Pro, bare minimum, to make use to mroe than 64MB of video memory, so don't kid ourself otherwise.

In fact, the only downside to the 64MB od video memory is the limitation it puts on multiple display set ups. With the integrated panel running at 1,920x1,200, I think 64MB limits you to 1,600x1,200 external.

Oh, and the lack of DVI out kinda sucks too, especially as the VGA out on our review sample isn't terribly wonderful.
Do you ahve a docking base with that? THough it sucks for presentations on the go, I will only care about lack of DVI at home on my LCD, so hopefully the DVI looks okay. (And can mirror and pass through at 1600x1200).
post #157 of 216
Quote:
Originally Posted by plswdth
where did you read this review?
Sony VAIO VGN-A197VP review on PCPro UK

JAGO
post #158 of 216
Quote:
Originally Posted by PC Pro UK Sony Vaio Review

VERDICT: Features, performance and design are practically beyond reproach, making this our power notebook of choice. But you certainly pay for the privilege.


Featuring a huge 17in display, the A197VP may share the X505's superb style, but certainly not its diminutive stature. Weighing in at a huge 4.1kg. It's one of the largest notebooks ever made, beating even mammoth examples such as AJP's D500E. But its size is somehow masked by its sleek, curved edges: it's the first notebook we've seen to be both big and beautiful. It's not a laptop that's been designed for carrying around all day though, as its battery life of just 74 minutes in our intense-use test proved.

Black is very much in season chez Sony, and the A197VP is suitably dressed for the party, coming in a sturdy charcoal plastic casing. As you'd expect from Sony, it looks stunning; and in our opinion, superior even to Apple's 17in PowerBook. However, as with the Apple, you're paying dearly for its looks.


We have few complaints about the VAIO's insides either. The version we reviewed features a 1.7GHz Pentium M processor, 512MB of PC2700 memory and a huge 80GB hard disk. But this isn't the top-of-the-range specification - a version with 1GB of memory and a 1.8GHz Dothan Pentium M processor, the VGN-A197XP, will also be available, although this wasn't ready at the time of going to press.


The model we reviewed is no slouch when it comes to both office and multimedia work though, as its overall score of 1.47 in our real-world tests demonstrated. It scored particularly well in office tasks such as word processing and spreadsheet manipulation, although it did tail off slightly when faced with multimedia tasks such as video encoding. However, being equipped as it is with ATi's Mobility Radeon 9700 graphics chip, it races through 3D tasks like very few others. In fact, it's one of the few notebooks to attain usable frame rates in our tough 3D tests. It mustered a very passable 40 frames per second in Unreal Tournament 2004 (SXGA, 32-bit colour depth) and 19 frames in Halo at the same settings.


The 17in widescreen TFT is more than capable of showing off these excellent scores. It boasts native resolution of 1,920 x 1,200 and uses Sony's X-Black technology. This was formerly known as ONYX Black, which can be seen in the SDM-HS73P standalone TFT (see p70). The overall effect of the dual lamp strategy is quite mixed, as while it's amazing at DVD playback and more than capable at gaming, the reflective nature of the coating on the screen makes it quite a strain when it comes to office tasks or anything else that has a white background. Turn the lights down low, however, and you've got one of the most crisp, responsive and colour-accurate screens we've ever seen, and it's therefore ideal for image and video editing. Handily, a copy of Adobe's excellent Photoshop Elements 2 is bundled.


The rest of the chassis is practically beyond reproach. In order to maintain its slick curves, Sony has hidden the majority of ports under flaps round the back: 10/100 Ethernet, S/PDIF optical audio out, two USB 2 ports and a VGA output are tucked away there. We were a little surprised by the lack of parallel port in such a well-featured notebook, although its use is very limited these days - frankly, if you can afford to buy one of these, you should be able to fork out for a more modern printer too. A further USB 2 port and a mini-FireWire accompany the PC Card slot, headphone and mic jacks at the side.


This notebook proved a bit of a mixed bag in everyday use though. Our first issue is with the touchpad. While it may be a large, responsive offering, its two accompanying buttons are very thin and awkward, taking quite a bit of getting used to. We also had issues with the keyboard design. The good news is that it feels very comfortable to type on, with a decent amount of travel and large alphanumeric keys. However, we were dismayed that Sony hadn't made full use of the available real estate that such a chunky chassis provides; some keys are doubled up onto one button where there is clearly no need. Another, rather odd flaw is the positioning of the modem. Sitting right next to the DVD writer, and with a chunky rubber flap concealing it, it's awkward to use, and it's particularly tough to get a disc out of the drive when a modem cable is attached.


But these foibles don't detract significantly from the overall picture. The VGN-A197VP is a very high-quality desktop replacement with all the features and power you'll need, and some more. Our only real issue is the immense price - you could afford to buy two of Systemax's excellent Tourbooks (see p44) for less than the asking price of one of these, and the aforementioned AJP is nearly £1,000 cheaper. Also consider Asus' W1000N (see p54). But if style and DVD playback are as important to you as performance and basic notebook features, this beautiful VAIO should be on the top of your list.

Mark Walsh

SPECIFICATIONS: 1.7GHz Pentium M; 512MB PC2700 SDRAM; 80GB hard disk; Sony DVD writer; 64MB ATi Mobility Radeon 9700 graphics; 17in 1,920 x 1,200 TFT; V.90 modem; 10/100 Ethernet; 802.11b/g WLAN; Bluetooth; 3 x USB 2; FireWire; infrared; parallel; VGA; S-Video out; Type II PC Card slot; SD slot; Windows XP Home; Adobe Photoshop Elements 2, Microsoft Works 7; 1yr RTB warranty. Dimensions: 406 x 45 x 280mm (WDH). Weight: 4.1kg.

Here is the review Jago was talking about.

post #159 of 216
Thanks for the reviews, guys.

Quote:
Originally Posted by caboosemoose
Oh, and the lack of DVI out kinda sucks too, especially as the VGA out on our review sample isn't terribly wonderful.
That's disappointing. I would think the Radeon should be able to output a nice picture. Is the VGA port an ATI component, or does the quality of that part depend on the notebook (or motherboard) manufacturer?
post #160 of 216
Well, that PCPro review is a bit, like, dumb because it;s actually when displaying dark images that the reflection is a problem, not when displaying bright/whites.

If anyone has a specific questions, feel free to ask, I have the unit for a few more weeks.
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