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post #21 of 63
11/21/10 at 1:17am
Well i do agree that they are delaying it but it's like well the wait is getting very stale you know what i mean. GTX 470M is already available now and yet it's only for one sager model not even their top model, the NP7280/X7200. Usb 3.0 is going to be cool but you can buy a express card slot and have usb 3.0 compatible device hard drive and your good to go. Yeah whatever happened too sli GTX 485? What the 480 is too beffy lol. sheesh. The rocker mousepad seems to be quite cheap. Did you guys see the news posted online or not.
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post #22 of 63
11/21/10 at 2:17pm
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the whole 480 GPU was nothing more than a power hungry beast, and lugging around a 300+ watt adaptor was not my ideal of fun.

The new 580 GPU series are a little better on power requirements, and would make a better mobile GPU option when they are released.

As far as USB 3 goes, i want it built in as it is really now becomming the standard on newer hardware, so Dell needs to catch up there.

Oddly enough it has been available in the precison line for a year now.

I would expect the R3 to have the sandy bridge chipset as well.
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post #23 of 63
11/21/10 at 4:08pm
The way I read it so far USB 3.0 will have a hard time to be mainstream. Apple, Intel are a few that are not so enthused about promoting it, at least for notebooks.

cheers ...
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post #24 of 63
11/21/10 at 10:13pm
Intel and Apple aren't "enthused" because they want to delay the game long enough to get Lightpeak going, which is higher bandwidth (but just like ESATA has no power over the cable which will complicate the connections and doom the standard until that's fixed). But Lightpeak is overkill, and thus not needed as something better than USB3 and the connections cost even more money in devices and there is zero backward compatibility, all things which make it only a win for Intel and a loss for the rest of the industry. If Intel truly "innovates" like they claim they should be building a 1 year old STANDARD into their chipsets and stop playing politics with a standard that everyone else is supporting for over a year. Or maybe the government should get back on top of them about Antitrust behavior...

Even "slow" laptop drives exceed USB 2.0 speeds. USB 3 doesn't get saturated using just an external flash or hardrive, doubles the power delivery over the wire which enables more devices to use it, and lowers the overhead on the CPU in the process. Using expresscard to deliver USB 3, only gives you half of the top rated speed IF the expresscard uses pci-e, because it's only a generation 1 x1 port in expresscard. However the alternate interface of expresscard is USB 2.0 in which case you won't get any speed boost at all. In either case you are getting short changed somewhat by going the expresscard route to USB 3. And moreover, you can't get the increased power from the expresscard solution without also plugging it into a USB 2.0 port on top of the expresscard connection. That makes it kind of kludgy.

Now half top speed 2.5Gb/s is still more than most flash and hardrives are likely to saturate, so the speed won't be a huge problem till high end SSD's start getting that fast, but it is still a limitation as the laptop gets older and the standard evolves. Built in USB 3 would give you full speed, full power and be far more ideal. HP, Sager/Clevo, and others have all put USB 3 into their machines, so the time is right to finally step up and get this standard into a new design of the M17x and M15x.
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post #25 of 63
11/22/10 at 9:16am
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Intel and Apple aren't "enthused" because they want to delay the game long enough to get Lightpeak going, which is higher bandwidth (but just like ESATA has no power over the cable which will complicate the connections and doom the standard until that's fixed). But Lightpeak is overkill, and thus not needed as something better than USB3 and the connections cost even more money in devices and there is zero backward compatibility, all things which make it only a win for Intel and a loss for the rest of the industry. If Intel truly "innovates" like they claim they should be building a 1 year old STANDARD into their chipsets and stop playing politics with a standard that everyone else is supporting for over a year. Or maybe the government should get back on top of them about Antitrust behavior...

Even "slow" laptop drives exceed USB 2.0 speeds. USB 3 doesn't get saturated using just an external flash or hardrive, doubles the power delivery over the wire which enables more devices to use it, and lowers the overhead on the CPU in the process. Using expresscard to deliver USB 3, only gives you half of the top rated speed IF the expresscard uses pci-e, because it's only a generation 1 x1 port in expresscard. However the alternate interface of expresscard is USB 2.0 in which case you won't get any speed boost at all. In either case you are getting short changed somewhat by going the expresscard route to USB 3. And moreover, you can't get the increased power from the expresscard solution without also plugging it into a USB 2.0 port on top of the expresscard connection. That makes it kind of kludgy.

Now half top speed 2.5Gb/s is still more than most flash and hardrives are likely to saturate, so the speed won't be a huge problem till high end SSD's start getting that fast, but it is still a limitation as the laptop gets older and the standard evolves. Built in USB 3 would give you full speed, full power and be far more ideal. HP, Sager/Clevo, and others have all put USB 3 into their machines, so the time is right to finally step up and get this standard into a new design of the M17x and M15x.
Quite informative ...

But you got in the heart of it - where and who would drive the standard?

cheers ...
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post #26 of 63
11/25/10 at 9:15pm
Very informative i still have faith in E-sata and firewire as i see the speeds are the same, it's nice to have a blue usb port though. Here for all the news for dell computers and alienware.
http://dell-lab.posterous.com/
Also damn Intel and their monopoly!
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post #27 of 63
12/14/10 at 3:18am
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Well rumors seem to indicate that the new r3 will be annouced at CES in January 2011.

It is also rumored to include Sandy Bridge,but not sure about USB 3 support, or 6GB Sata Ports,

And the new ATI 6xxx Series GPUs along with NVIDIA's 460/470 GPUs as options

Not sure if/when we will see the 580 series GPU in the mobile market.
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post #28 of 63
12/14/10 at 4:17am
We had them (the rumors that is)

http://www.notebookforums.com/thread234976.html

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post #29 of 63
1/6/11 at 9:48pm
well here is some info: http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/06/d...-3d-hd-screen/

Click on Show Press Release.

little teaser:

Got a hankering for some NVIDIA 3D Vision in a new laptop PC? Dell's making it happen with some component upgrades on its high-end Alienware M17x and XPS 17 laptops. It seems Round Rock came across a few shipments of a 17-inch, 1080p panel with a 120Hz refresh rate, perfect for interfacing with NVIDIA's shutter glasses, and is including it (along with a new NVIDIA GeForce GT 555M for the XPS 17) as premium options. They'll also both sport Intel's new Sandy Bridge processors. Dell's press release doesn't specify if a set of 3D glasses will come with the new laptops, nor how much the upgrade will cost, but a 3D-capable M17x will start at $1,499 starting January 10th, and a stereoscopic XPS 17 will run $1,449 on February 1st. You do the math.
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post #30 of 63
1/7/11 at 6:03am
Apart from the Sandy Bridge Dell is behind other manufacturers in 3D gimmick. And seeing how others were dying with this gimmick Dell just dug itself another hole. Just hope that users won't need some sort of update after the first week

They do have until February to sort it out, right?

cheers ...
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post #31 of 63
1/7/11 at 8:59pm
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It seems Dell has pooched this R3

It looks like no crossfire or Sli options

No Aluminum case (or much less) - instead more plastic.

No RGB LED Screen.

Many AW Fans are not very happy with this R3

Jan 10th it will appear on Dells site, we'll have to see what the config Options are
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post #32 of 63
1/7/11 at 9:02pm
I feel pretty happy about this so far. But i know i can understand how people feel and also well i like to have those type of options. I do like the more thinner design but people have to stop bashing dell right away wait until the 10th i am pretty much excited currently.
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post #33 of 63
1/7/11 at 9:19pm
I agree with Dave .... Dell botches on this one

But like you said - the 10th is right around the corner, and someone will have a hand-on review pretty soon.

cheers ...
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post #34 of 63
1/8/11 at 1:33pm
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I agree with Dave .... Dell botches on this one

But like you said - the 10th is right around the corner, and someone will have a hand-on review pretty soon.

cheers ...
If they lost the aluminum chassis and SLI/X-Fire, I join the disappointed bandwagon which is saying something since I'm somewhat of an AW fan.
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post #35 of 63
1/8/11 at 2:39pm
I would bet SLI/Xfire will be there but maybe not day 1. Unfortunately it might work as crappy as it does on the R2.

Also remember the R2 has an anodized aluminum lid and not an aluminum chassis. The chassis will be the same (magnesium) and so will the build quality. I actually prefer the new lid over the old. RGB LED also might end up being an option. Dell is selling 1080p RGB LED screens in their other systems.
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post #36 of 63
1/9/11 at 3:54am
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I would bet SLI/Xfire will be there but maybe not day 1. Unfortunately it might work as crappy as it does on the R2.

Also remember the R2 has an anodized aluminum lid and not an aluminum chassis. The chassis will be the same (magnesium) and so will the build quality. I actually prefer the new lid over the old. RGB LED also might end up being an option. Dell is selling 1080p RGB LED screens in their other systems.

The R2's chasis is also aluminum, there's no magnesium. It's the M15x that has a magnesium chasis and lid. Dell has moved from RGB LED to B+RG for their recent systems which isn't the same thing. B+RG is still a WLED display albeit better but not as good as RGB LED. It's still a decent alternative but so far I haven't seen a 17" version (otherwise their XPS 17 would have it).
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post #37 of 63
1/9/11 at 4:32pm
If the chassis between the M15x and M17x are different then it's not noticeable as far as durability is concern. They seem to be the exact same thing to me except for the anodized lid.
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post #38 of 63
1/9/11 at 6:47pm
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If the chassis between the M15x and M17x are different then it's not noticeable as far as durability is concern. They seem to be the exact same thing to me except for the anodized lid.

They do appear very similar but if you slam the M15x against a hard surface, that magnesium will be brittle and come flying off. The M17x will just get dented at most.
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post #39 of 63
1/9/11 at 8:47pm
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They do appear very similar but if you slam the M15x against a hard surface, that magnesium will be brittle and come flying off. The M17x will just get dented at most.
lol, don't worry that won't be happening.

Edit: Can't find anything on Dell's website about this. They just keep repeating anodized aluminum case. Obviously that doesn't mean the material anodized is aluminum.
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post #40 of 63
1/9/11 at 9:12pm
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well I hope that there will be an option for a second GPU with this R3, but I somehow dought it considering the smaller size of the laptop

I could be happy with a single M5xx GPU option i suppose

But no RGB LED screen is a killer, hopefully that option is still there

I guess we'll all see in a few more hours.
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