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Thread Starter 
Just wanted to post some info about my current nightmare.

I got my laptop back a few weeks ago from rma, a few things needed fixed and so I had it serviced under warranty. That was the 3rd or 4th time it has been serviced because it clearly is a lemon... I mean it has to be considering I have an aspire netbook that's lasted 1.5-2 years without being serviced even once.

Anyways, this laptop was originally meant to fix my g1s nightmare. I had communicated with mr. diaz, which I will post a transcript of my communication in a follow-up post.

Pay attention in the transcript the date of the communication regarding my asus g50vt was feb 11th 2009.

Now with regards to my previous rma issue, when I called in I had my first call result in nothing because the agent was saying my notebook was out of warranty. It has a 2 year warranty, I don't believe I got my notebook till about march of 2009, so how is it out of warranty? The 2nd time I called the new agent had no problems. Computer was fixed unexpectedly quick, but since then my left speaker has died and then my computer freezes when checking the nvram. Guess the vid card died, it crashed the computer when I was playing a game and now it does the freeze on post at nvram check. So dead vid card makes sense.

All I wanna do is get it fixed and these agents are saying that it's out of warranty. BS! See the attached email. Then I get, I'm sorry I can charge you now for delivery or you can wait. Wait for what I'll send you the email. That is my receipt, lots of people have spoken with mr. diaz and gotten this as a replacement to the g1s lemon. Honestly why do I have to go through the same thing again? Honour your bloody agreement, I'm tired of having to constantly take time off work to send and receive packages because of a needy laptop (when it comes to durability). It's like these things were designed to withstand 2 years of moderate use, and cannot endure 2 years of constant use (in fact barely 6 months).

How is something like this suitable for any gamer? The nightmare with tech support says it all! They don't even have a direct email address and it will take them 24-48 hours to verify if the product is still under warranty or not, blah, blah, blah... they can't even risk the $20 (or rather $10 with their corporate rate shipping) on what is a good case for a customer having issues with this warrant period considering I haven't had this notebook for 2 years, it should still be covered under warranty.

Who the hell do these people think they are? I have a contract with them, I own that notebook and it came with a 2 year warranty as explained by mr. robert diaz in his email originating from asus.com, some of the people in the call center know of this person and what he does (and the 2 people from last night didn't, but 1 from today did).

None of these people have direct email of any sort? There is not one person in their support department that has a personal email on an iphone, not one supervisor with any contact info? I have to wait 24-48 hours, which means I won't get anything done till monday? My last rma issue originated 6 months ago, where I'd attempted to arrange for a pick up only to figure out that they'd failed to update my address when I'd left my address and so the pick probably went to calgary. So that's why it took months before I could bother with taking time off work to get them dealt with (as I like to say because it's always a hassle dealing with rma issues with these guys, JUST once I would like to see perfect service, because I know it's possible given the last rma once I'd sent it in, it did come back quick! I am losing my warranty time because they don't know if they are to honour the contract or not?

That is a blatant breach of contract, an agreement that I made with a representative of asus who is authorized to make such agreements. Thank you very much. After being harassed this much, I am now insulted, I am sitting here waiting for them to call back, only I think they can extend the warranty on this friggin lemon for dicking me around out of my time and for making me lose days of work only to accomplish nothing because of their failure to live up to their end of the bargain. A deal is a freakin deal, see attached email, plus I didn't receive the backpack but didn't mind seeing as I had one from my g1s.

Twice in a row dealt a horrifying experience..... I like their products but their bumbling tech support and oddly high failure rate makes me never want to buy one again and likely to tell other people that their best bet for a portable laptop is an acer aspire one dualcore netbook. They suck for games but otherwise are great little things.

I've ran ubuntu on em, though was disappointed in the g1s operating system -- 32 bit on a 64 bit cpu.

I'm real pissed off on this one. I might go into the exact reasons why the g1s was such a nightmare but here's the two main reasons:

Inadequate cooling causing things to die faster -- an engineering related issue.

A specific issue with the gpu, the bonding agent for the die did not perform up to specification and thus was defective, resulting in dying gpus. To extend lifespan, the gpu was underclocked and I refused to accept an inferior product, after the bloody nightmare of having to go through their tech support.

All in all both my g1s and g50vt have spent more time broken than fixed. I had an lg that broke twice, but was fixed within a week so that was ok. I have positively decided that my experience with their tech support and the hours of my wasted life and lost work time getting this stuff dealt with was not worth it, it was a taxing experience and if these cheap bastards can waste away my warranty period with excuses as to why they cannot honour their deal, then they can put that time back on it and then some. I am sick of paying the price of their chilling effect on getting my issues resolved in a timely manner simply because asus didn't get it's own facts together and cannot figure it out with even the previous service number specifically relating to the case where I got my g50vt. I'm outraged that they outright denied their part of the bargain when they are to honour it. Simple as that. Business is business. I'm tired of their excuses I just want them to get their frigging act together.
post #2 of 3
Thread Starter 
service number 1058181


attached email is referring to service number #298077

thanks,
Ryan

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Ryan Elson <stealthc@yahoo.com>
To: asus_cc@asus.com
Sent: Wed, December 1, 2010 8:01:29 PM
Subject: Fw: Service #298077

my new service no is 1058181, hope this resolves any warranty issues.

Thanks,

Ryan Elson


----- Forwarded Message ----
From: "Robert_Diaz@asus.com" <Robert_Diaz@asus.com>
To: stealthc@yahoo.com
Sent: Wed, February 11, 2009 12:52:37 PM
Subject: RE: Service #298077

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The replacement unit has arrived at the Canada Service Center ; they said they have not received your unit.

Has it been picked up already by FedEx?
If so, do you have a tracking number?

Let me know if there are any questions or problems.
Best regards,

Robert Diaz
ASUS Computer International :: 800 Corporate Way, Fremont CA 94539
robert_diaz@asus.com ::
http://usa.asus.com :: http://livesupport.asus.com

From: Ryan Elson [mailto:stealthc@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:54 PM
To: Robert Diaz (ACI)
Subject: Re: Service #298077



Sounds good to me, it'll take a little time for me to extract data off my hard drive, I guess I'll work on it this weekend, and once finished I will put this laptop then in the packaging you guys used to send me this back in decemberish, and inform you when it's ready to go, then shipping can be arranged.

Thanks,
Ryan



From: "Robert_Diaz@asus.com" <Robert_Diaz@asus.com>
To: stealthc@yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:30:56 PM
Subject: RE: Service #298077

Dear Mr, Ryan Elson,

I have not heard back from HQ so I spoke with my manager and we are willing to offer you the following unit as a replacement. Let me know if this is something you would be interested in.

ACI code
G50VT-A2
web code
G50VT-AK004K
P/N
90N-SSZA3834291KQL0Y
UPC code
884840342380
MODEL
G50Vt
LCD
WSXGA+
Wireless/Bluetooth
802.11A/G/N M1_AP/US+ BT (Intel) (NO MODEM)
ODD/CMOS
BDCOMBO+ COM 2.0
ZBD
US_KB (UL) / ACI
Battery
6-cell
Bag & Mouse
bag and mouse
CPU
T9400
HDD/TPM
640G(320G 7200RPM x2)
Memory
DDR2 800 2G*2 4G
OS
PM 64 (EN/FR/SP/CS/CT)
warranty
24
packing
ACI/US


Let me know if there are any questions or problems.
Best regards,

Robert Diaz
ASUS Computer International :: 800 Corporate Way, Fremont CA 94539
robert_diaz@asus.com ::
http://usa.asus.com :: http://livesupport.asus.com

From: Ryan Elson [mailto:stealthc@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 4:49 PM
To: Robert Diaz (ACI)
Subject: Re: Service #298077



have you gotten anything back, it's been a week already.
Ryan


From: "Robert_Diaz@asus.com" <Robert_Diaz@asus.com>
To: stealthc@yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:00:24 PM
Subject: RE: Service #298077

Dear Mr. Ryan Elson,

I have received your email and forwarded to HQ.

Once again I really do appreciate your patience in this matter.

Let me know if there are any questions or problems.
Best regards,

Robert Diaz
ASUS Computer International :: 800 Corporate Way, Fremont CA 94539
robert_diaz@asus.com ::
http://usa.asus.com :: http://livesupport.asus.com

From: Ryan Elson [mailto:stealthc@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 9:51 PM
To: Robert Diaz (ACI)
Subject: Re: Service #298077



issues:
More defects than working parts.

Led apparently burned out (which should last 50,000 hours, as that is the normal lifespan for leds), yellow one for wlan which was fixed.
keyboard broken due to defect, which was also fixed.
hard drive defective, which was fixed.
Case components misaligned causing damage to the screen, not fixed and sent back as such.
led has burn in, not fixed and sent back as such.
gpu running hot, fixed but replaced with inferior gddr2 which is lower spec than gddr3 (even though memory frequency is higher, would prefer gddr3, why replace something with a lesser spec?).
fan rather noisy, is this a plastic bearing fan?
copper sticker on cpu bay cover, what sort of retard thinks covering the vent holes is a smart idea?
vent grate for exhaust sent back in damaged condition.
stickers wear out (with model number and serial number on it), shouldn't this be covered with a protective plastic?
keyboard snags on fingers -- wtf? This is going to break alot.

Poor ability to return calls.
long wait times for customer service.
poor ability to handle problems unless it's normal business hours, can't asus hire someone with a similar job as robert diaz to work at night?
customer service is less useful than tech support department -- why on earth are customer service issues getting dumped onto the tech support department?
systems constantly down, why on earth am I constantly getting this as an excuse from tech support?
during pickup for rma, shipping company sent out without labels, took a long time just to get my already packaged laptop shipped.
difficult to get answers with regards to rma status -- impossible to communicate with rma department.
getting told 2-3 days wait and then having to wait twice as long is irritating, get your estimates straight, and relay them in a realistic fashion.
unprofessional claiming to call back by a certain time and predictably no call back, having to constantly call and harp just to get things "worked on".
Getting told during the summer about excessive wait times for dealing with rmas -- didn't bother and waited till much later.

lack of general recall on totally defective parts, manufacturer stiffing customers by claiming "not all 8600 gpus are bad" when they are, getting told "part works within specs" when your engineers and techs fully well know that it's lifespan is significantly diminished and part will fail, hopefully after the warranty runs out it would seem. I don't care if nvidia is stiffing you, your customers are more important and it's time to switch to ATI since nvidia did this to you. ATI offers better value anyways (budget-wise), and it would seem better support for manufacturers. NVIDIA stiffed you, time to pull your contract with them and tell them to get lost till they support their product, and fix their mistake -- because they are making you dick your customers around and it looks VERY unprofessional.

Gaming laptops should be-able to put up with the punishment of gaming.

The way I see it, there's a few problems here -- the shallow key depth relative to the larger spring action creates a gap that finger tips can slide into and underneath keys -- this is a rather poor oversight.

The burn in on the oled screen, is a significant oversight and there should have been a bios fix for this released within a month, as of yet there is no bios fix -- and again I will repeat this, if you can program it to display asus upon start (and before driver is loaded in windows or any other operating system), then you can program in the bios something that is animated and at least won't damage the screen.

What I expect to see is a replacement involving equal or greater specifications in ALL areas. I expect a little something for the hell which I've been put through, I didn't pay for CRAPPY service like this and I feel I've gotten a lot more respect from the previous 4 laptops which I've owned over the past 5 years. For example, I had a motherboard die in my lg p1 laptop and lg had no logistics issues, nor customer service issues and had the laptop back to me within 3 business days. Not a week and a half. Not, "I'm sorry we are ordering your motherboard". not "I don't know what is going on". Anything that was broken was returned in repaired condition.

The level of service and support expected with spending twice as much on a laptop with asus (versus lg) was so far under par. The way other customers were treated for suffering less from reports read online is surprising. People were offered the g50 or their money back regarding lengthy wait times with the defective gpu fix, and what did I get offered but a laptop with a defective gpu after I had to put up with all of this bs just trying to get my laptop fixed.

No damage to the packaging observed and I will return YOUR original shipping package back -- as far as I'm concerned your packaging for shipping was inadequate; I would never ship a laptop with packaging almost the same size.

Extra scratches on case when returned, which is most definitely irritating.
No filtration on intake which means hair and dust and crap can build up in laptop, difficult to clean well without voiding the warranty (meaning thermal management issues will get worse over time).

Horrible software. Using alpha blending on overlay of volume or brightness control is extremely wasteful on system resources. Having so many active applications for asus software is a waste, and seemingly most smart people remove these apps. Confusing power management, power4extreme made it more confusing to deal with. dvd burning application runs like crap, doesn't work and have to download and use a real app like nero to burn data dvd's from hard drive data.

Boasts 90w power drain but faults 175w power inverters in a car. Can charge with it off, but cannot run and charge simultaneously, why is that? Tried several 175w inverters for this.

Either way, I've read up about customers getting better treatment, and I've had a lot of issues with this laptop. The icing on the cake was getting my laptop back with more damage.
Wanna tell your engineering department to fix these issues in a timely manner (cmon anything longer than a couple of months for a bios fix or a simple redesign of the keyboard and a couple of months to fix that should be plenty).

The way I see it, part of support is to fix defects. My case still feels funny, this was not fixed (plastic that sticks out too far, which has obviously caused crease marks on the screen).

No way to turn off these extra leds, would be nice to turn the indicator leds OFF, as well as the useless led by the touch pad -- these things waste power and should have the option of turning off.

Screen doesn't lock snug, can jiggle when lid is shut.

Hinges on the otherhand are GREAT -- I love the hinges on the screen.

I hate, on the other hand, the notion of using a 32-bit operating system on a processor that is capable of supporting 64-bits, this is a retarded bottleneck and I wasn't sure about 64-bit till your tech told me about it, I'd assumed if it did it you would have had the laptop come with a 64-bit operating system.

Overall, nice ideas but the implementation of them was poor. This laptop has withstood gaming more poorly than my lg p1. I expected a "GAMING" laptop that costs twice as much as my p1 and was a year and a half more modern to fare better. Also, the sound output is fairly weak. I find it barely adequate for headphone use, and inadequate for using the laptop's speakers -- I'm comparing this to the lg p1specifically (and every other laptop I've owned).

Either way I was extremely disappointed that literally the list of things which have broken or been defective with this laptop is LONGER than the list of things that worked as planned. And I am even more disappointed that your company brags about having such great support but I've been given a song and a dance and put through hell with regards to this. My situation seems to be more extreme than most other customers and it's funny but I've been getting treated like crap when compared to how others have been treated.

I'm VERY, VERY disappointed and thusfar I've had a rotten experience, as a network engineer, an IT professional who is responsible for the purchase of half a million dollars worth of equipment for my department every year, I don't know about continuing the trend of making my purchases with asus after this experience. I'm half tempted to make reports with the BBB over this whole experience, and I'm even more tempted to spread the word about this BS I've been subjected to. I've never had this many problems with a manufacturer before in my life. I've never had to deal with such a huge lack of professionalism. Since getting in touch with robert I've felt some progress but honestly I think his hands shouldn't be so tied in this matter, considering it took over 2 weeks for me to get answers with regards to head office responding to my issues. I've been an avid consumer of your gaming products for my own personal use ever since you started releasing your cards with the original geforce on it.

It was nice to get the offer of a new g1s to replace this, however, I fear I would have to deal with many of the same issues and it would be unacceptable to get an original G1S motherboard with this which comes with a defective GPU and a horrible lifespan. It would also be a pain having to replace the keyboard over and over again, and I expected that with this offer I should be given a few spares so that I wouldn't have to deal with the issues I've had with your RMA process, because it was quite frankly a pain in the ass to deal with once -- nevermind that with a few replacements I would have to void my warranty to fix the keyboard. I would get a new lemon that would die within 3 years, and typically I would expect the lifespan of a laptop to be around 5 years, with proper care given to it (minus the battery, which can die sooner, depending how it is treated and how often it is used).

I'm very, very disappointed that this product hadn't recieved better engineering and quality control and it is REALLY hard for me to believe that such an anomaly could occur with the number of bad/defective parts. I would hope your newer products aren't such lemons, but think about it: Would I like another lemon? Not really, I would like something that was supposed to be what I invested my money into -- a quality product designed to withstand regular use from a gamer. A product with an acceptable lifespan. A great warranty, and solid customer and tech support. These things shouldn't be too much to ask for, especially considering I've had plenty of personal and work experience and know where exactly standards should be set, the bar asus has provided thusfar has been significantly lower than I've ever had in all aspects. It's been months trying to get some sort of resolution, what the hell is the problem here?

I expect this to change.

Ryan

From: "Robert_Diaz@asus.com" <Robert_Diaz@asus.com>
To: stealthc@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:53:43 PM
Subject: Service #298077

Dear Mr. Ryan Elson,

Please send a detailed email with the issues that you have experienced with the G1S model notebook along with any other concerns you may have.
Let me know if there are any questions or problems.
Best regards,

Robert Diaz
ASUS Computer International :: 800 Corporate Way, Fremont CA 94539
robert_diaz@asus.com ::
http://usa.asus.com :: http://livesupport.asus.com
post #3 of 3
Thread Starter 
So it's been a year, someone from corporate at asus obvious heard about my issues. Has a new bios been released to screen save the led screen above the keyboard (the blue one). Hell no. They can display a set static image via bios, why not one that is animated enough to stop the eventual burn in?

Only after I had started using windows vista did my problems with asus utilities cease, as frequently software would update a library that was crucial to the utilities under xp.

They still haven't learned, after being told by many more people than just myself.... There is something seriously wrong with this company, they have the most retarded mishaps that leave their customers twisting in the wind and they happen way too often that I psychologically dread dealing with them.
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