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post #1 of 14
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I have a T42. Is it normal for wireless to have less than half the throughput of a hard-wire connection? My router is Linksys WRT54GL. Here are some examples with links:

FILE SOURCE      802.11g    Ethernet (KB/s)
speedtest 240 560 (42%)
filefront 255 575 (44%)
space-multimedia* 76 270 (28%)
*site apparently enforces 275KBs hard limit on download speed

My internet connection is 7Mb DSL, although in practice, I rarely get higher than 5. So the result from the speed-constrained site (28%) is the best indicator of the actual wireless throughput ratio. That's a huge hit. It's even worse (22%) when comparing PC-to-PC file transfer (2200 KB/s via wireless vs. 9900 KB/s via ethernet).

So far, I've upgraded the firmware for the wireless card and router, changed mode from 'mixed b/g' to 'g only', tried different channels, even disabled security encryption (temporarily). None of these individually or collectively made a hair's difference, perhaps 5% at best. In all cases, signal strength was excellent (5 bars). I also tried a different router to rule out any issue with my Linksys. And finally, I replaced the wireless card with an Intel Pro 2200bg, which is supposed to be faster (and cooler) than original Philips 91P7301. Performance is much the same as before.

Do other folks get similar results? Perhaps nothing is broken, but rather that wireless imposes an unavoidable and huge (>70%) hit on throughput.
post #2 of 14
Yep - wireless connectivity and throughput can't be measured against the cable connect set-up. Nothing is wrong with your numbers.

cheers .,..
post #3 of 14
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Yep - wireless connectivity and throughput can't be measured against the cable connect set-up. Nothing is wrong with your numbers.
Thanks for your reply. I understand what you're saying, but I need to get more specific. I mean, 802.11g has 54Mbs capacity (6750 KBs). And since I've demonstrated sustained speeds of up to 2200 KBs over my local lan, wireless is obviously not a bottleneck per se. Also, by running tests in batches and repeating on different days, I've eliminated the effects of any intermittent interference.

This is not just an academic exercise. I'm considering purchasing a blu-ray DVD player with netflix support, and I'm limited to wireless. One possibility is to upgrade my router to 802.11n, but it may not make a difference if the bottleneck is elsewhere.

The reason I'm using Ethernet as a benchmark is because it has almost no overhead and thus reveals upstream constraints. For example, my DSL is constrained to about 5 Mbs, and the space-multimedia file server is constrained to about 270 KBs. I'd like to understand why wireless can only sustain a transfer of 70 or 80 KBs, yet it can sustain more than 3x that amount when downloading from a non-constrained server (although still well short of my DSL pipe).

Since my OP, a friend tested his wireless/ethernet ratio using space-multimedia server linked above and reports a sustained transfer rate of 240 KBs via ethernet and 202 via wireless (802.11g), which is better than 80%. This seems to disprove the notion that low wireless throughput is expected and unavoidable. The main difference in his setup is that his wireless card is PCI-e, whereas mine is mini-PCI. Could the interface type explain the huge difference in throughput?

Another possibility is a local sustained interference source. Is there a diagnostic tool that shows percentage of packets that have to be retransmitted?
post #4 of 14
Hmmm ... actually what I said was being thrown out ... Just tested with our Sony CS21 and MSI MS-1013, both on Windows 7. Sony on Wireless and MSI on cable connect: speedtest showed 6MB+ / 950 KB (up and down) - D-link router

cheers ...
post #5 of 14
headscratch.gif and we have other wireless devices that are being connected the same time (iPod, phones, printer)

So practically one should not see any differences in transfer and throughput speed between wireless and cable connect. I need to dig more about this interesting academic theory tongue.gif

cheers ...
post #6 of 14
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Is the link you tested 802.11g or n?
post #7 of 14
802.11g

cheers ...
post #8 of 14
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802.11g
OK, so I'm envious! Do you know if your wireless card is PCI-e or mini-PCI? I found MSI-1013 specs but it only says "optional 802.11g wireless".
post #9 of 14
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Another possibility is a local sustained interference source. Is there a diagnostic tool that shows percentage of packets that have to be retransmitted?

That's a reasonable assumption. I don't know of any 3rd party diagnostics tools for it though, typically that kind of thing comes with your router or wireless card.

I found an article that might help. They mentioned something in there about wireless networks not being designed to deliver at full capacity but rather increase distance and amount of simultaneousness users a network can have:
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/11/05/what-we-talk-about-w.html

Just a thought anyway, I really don't know much about the factors of wireless throughput.
post #10 of 14
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Originally Posted by qhn View Post

802.11g
OK, so I'm envious! Do you know if your wireless card is PCI-e or mini-PCI? I found MSI-1013 specs but it only says "optional 802.11g wireless".

The Sony has the PCI-e I think. The MSi MS-1013 is pure mini PCI- and it is a combo card (wifi and BT)

cheers ...
post #11 of 14
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The Sony has the PCI-e I think. The MSi MS-1013 is pure mini PCI- and it is a combo card (wifi and BT)
I'm curious to see your results with MSi via wireless (since it has mini-PCI).
Edited by ginahoy - 4/6/11 at 9:57pm
post #12 of 14
doh - it dropped to 80% headscratch.gif

cheers ...
post #13 of 14
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doh - it dropped to 80%
Still, 80% of 6Mb is a heck of a lot faster than what I'm experiencing. I probably just need a new router. THANKS for checking that for me!

I'm considering an N class router. However, I'm not sure if T42 built in antenna will support N. Do you know anything about that? I saw some mini-PCI N-class cards on ebay, with the same Main/Aux antenna connections as my current card, but most PCI-e cards (which I can't use) have at least 3 antenna connections.
post #14 of 14
The Sony performs fine without the N card built-in with our D-Link N router, so I must say that it all depends on the card manufacturer and the driver more than anything else. I see a few people using the N card with 2 antenna and still get good connectivity. 3rd antenna should be able to add though

cheers ...
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