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post #81 of 92
5/10/04 at 3:03pm
I agree, that's why I said to wait until some more reviews are done to draw any real conclusions.
Andrew
Austin, TX
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post #82 of 92
5/10/04 at 3:29pm
More technically minded users will enjoy reading Intel's official info

http://www.intel.com/products/notebo..._prod_040510a&

especially the Dothan's datasheet:

http://developer.intel.com/design/mo...s/30218901.pdf
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post #83 of 92
5/10/04 at 3:45pm
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Originally Posted by rincewind
me too

21w TDP is the max at full speed, and 7.5w (wow) is the minimum tdp for scaled down speed
Not according to Intel, I already shared what little I know in this thread
New crop of Mobile Athlon64 chips coming
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post #84 of 92
5/10/04 at 4:12pm
this is taken off THG's intel data sheet

Processor Frequency 2.00 GHz/ 600 MHz
Thermal Design Power 21 W/ 7.5 W
Core Voltage 1.340 V/ 0.988V
Sleep Power 3.2 W
Deep Sleep Power 2.5 W
Deeper Sleep Power 0.8 W

21w is for 2.0ghz / 7.5w is for 600mhz

so whats this about according to intel that says otherwise?
show me a link off their site and i'll believe you
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post #85 of 92
5/10/04 at 4:19pm
yes i know a certain amount of cache is necessary. i know what its used for... but the challenge for developers is finding the right balance the two interms of having enuff l2 cache for needed applications, while maintaining enuff room and efficiency for processor speed to go unhindred

p4 EE edition with its big cache excelled over athlon64 fx at encoding, workstation, decoding n stuff as a result of its large cache, but in most gaming benchmarks the athlon64 fx did better at gaming

i never doubted intel architects, i praise them for scraping p4's and moving to pentium-m for their future desktop systems
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post #86 of 92
5/10/04 at 4:24pm
also if u guys thought the 9600 wasnt a good representation of the cpus tested, a french company tested dothan/banias on a 9700 platform

http://www.x86-secret.com/popups/art...dow.php?id=104

the gains r still nominal in 3d apps/gaming
just like as what we saw in THG's review
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post #87 of 92
5/10/04 at 9:30pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by rincewind
this is taken off THG's intel data sheet

Processor Frequency 2.00 GHz/ 600 MHz
Thermal Design Power 21 W/ 7.5 W
Core Voltage 1.340 V/ 0.988V
Sleep Power 3.2 W
Deep Sleep Power 2.5 W
Deeper Sleep Power 0.8 W

21w is for 2.0ghz / 7.5w is for 600mhz

so whats this about according to intel that says otherwise?
show me a link off their site and i'll believe you
Because according to INTEL themselves TDP does not mean maximum power consumption.
Which thought I stated fairly clearly in the other thread as well.
TDP = Thermal Design Power, not max.
Max power can exceed TDP.

While on the AMD TDP does = max power.

I do not know why you are arquing about this. What will matter is performance of the CHIP and the battery run time. Which according to Tom should be right around the same as the P-M (except in a few areas where it is up to 22% faster, and still 5% faster when adjusted for clock speed).

Even if AMD and Intel used the same method to calc TDP, it would still be a meaningless number. What matters is the sorts of laptops these chips can be found in and if they meet your needs.
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post #88 of 92
5/11/04 at 5:06am
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Originally Posted by rincewind
also if u guys thought the 9600 wasnt a good representation of the cpus tested, a french company tested dothan/banias on a 9700 platform

http://www.x86-secret.com/popups/art...dow.php?id=104

the gains r still nominal in 3d apps/gaming
just like as what we saw in THG's review
Had to chime in here.

From what I can tell the Dothan was achieving an 8-10% gain in games over the Banias in that review, and that's clock for clock. Once you throw a 2GHz Dothan in there it's only going to increase (probably quite a bit seeing as how it's a 300MHz increase). Seems like the 9700 does eliminate the graphics bottleneck somewhat.
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post #89 of 92
5/11/04 at 9:20am
until u show me some links stating this rather then just throwing out

amd is this
and intel is this

i still dont believe you

im not arguing anything , other then the fact that im reading off various review sites stating otherwise

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im only bringing this up coz you keep quoting what i say with "no it should be this" and dont back it up with anything 'official' like what u claim intel says

yes whats important is the mobile time and pentium-m's are better so thats why i have one to suit my needs
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post #90 of 92
5/11/04 at 9:26am
yes i noticed that too, but over at THG they didnt do a quake3 test
which is a game that relies more on cpu power
neverwinter is another game that is the same
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post #91 of 92
5/11/04 at 11:45am
I would recommend to everyone checking out that X86 site. Their data show a more clear comparison of the two processors with respect to the advantages of the Dothan over the Banias, and they used an ATI 9700 in their machine. Or so they said anyway.
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post #92 of 92
5/13/04 at 12:09am
Yes the 128mb 9700 removes the bottleneck Tom's notebooks had with the 64mb vid cards. This way, you will see a significant improvement due to the increased cpu power.
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