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post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
I will be buying a dv7t Quad edition machine. I am looking for people's experience between the 17.3" diagonal HD+ HP BrightView LED Display (1600 x 900) vs the 17.3" diagonal Full HD HP Anti-glare LED Display (1920 x 1080).

I am replacing my dv8000 and really enjoyed that machine's extra bright back lit screen (extra feature at the time) so that I could see the screen outside becuase it was very bright.

So I am interested in brightness.

I am not sure if the extra resolution of the second screen would matter much to me. I don't game or watch movies on this proposed new machine.

The term "anti-glare" on the HD screen is interesting and I would like to know if the reflectivity of the two screens is different and how so.

Thanks for your help
post #2 of 16
I can't guarantee the brightness level on either screen, but in order to even have a chance at using the computer outside, you'll need the anti-glare screen. The Brightview screen is glossy, which would prevent you from seeing anything other than reflections outside.
post #3 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks.

Has anyone actually seen or used the HD anti-glare screen?
post #4 of 16
Not on a notebook, but on the mobile phones we have here in the office winknudge.gif I don't see any difference between that and the one on my old Samsung Omnia - as far as anti-glare concerns
post #5 of 16
Thread Starter 
This interesting web page discusses exactly what the BrightView screens are all about, who makes them and what they are.

http://www.screentekinc.com/hp-compaq-brightview-lcd-screens.shtml

Bottom line, glossy glass screen with polarizer coating to cut down on reflections but still the benefit of contrast and color of a slick screen.

"Anti-glare" is a name for the matte screen look which they claim has less color and contrast but no mirror like reflections.

The second option I asked about in this post would then seem to be a matte screen, but I cannot get any verification from HP at all. For $150 extra I am not sure it is worth it.

The "Ultra" BrightView option of my dv8000 seems to not be available anymore. This was an extra backlight that made the screen twice as bright which was great when using it outside. Perhaps LED screens are now as bright as the "Ultra" added brightness feature was.
post #6 of 16
I doubt very much that a LED (as in the 2nd) screen is a matte one. Anti-glare, Ultra bla bla are just advertisement gimmick in my book. Best thing to do is to go to a store and check the screens out for yourself.

cheers ...
post #7 of 16
Thread Starter 
I agree, but nobody has the second screen in any store in my area (large city), thus the wondering if anyone has seen the second one. Sigh.......
post #8 of 16
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Originally Posted by scottlid View Post

I agree, but nobody has the second screen in any store in my area (large city), thus the wondering if anyone has seen the second one. Sigh.......

It won't work - one can only give a personal opinion, which does not always translate to what you expect smile.gif

cheers ...
post #9 of 16
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Originally Posted by scottlid View Post

This interesting web page discusses exactly what the BrightView screens are all about, who makes them and what they are.

http://www.screentekinc.com/hp-compaq-brightview-lcd-screens.shtml

Bottom line, glossy glass screen with polarizer coating to cut down on reflections but still the benefit of contrast and color of a slick screen.

"Anti-glare" is a name for the matte screen look which they claim has less color and contrast but no mirror like reflections.

The second option I asked about in this post would then seem to be a matte screen, but I cannot get any verification from HP at all. For $150 extra I am not sure it is worth it.

The "Ultra" BrightView option of my dv8000 seems to not be available anymore. This was an extra backlight that made the screen twice as bright which was great when using it outside. Perhaps LED screens are now as bright as the "Ultra" added brightness feature was.

there are 2 types of coatings on computer screens: glossy & matte. "brightview" is, as Q said, a marketing gimmicky name for "glossy." "anti-glare" means "matte"

If an outdoor-readable screen is that important to you, the only way to make sure the computer you buy has one is by getting a high-nit matte screen on your notebook, which either will likely involve buying your own screen aftermarket or getting a Pansonic or Lenovo with an outdoor-readable screen.
post #10 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks!

My old machine was very readable outside in the shade due to that extra bright light that was a special feature. I think I will get the regular screen on the new machine and see how it goes. Hopefully an LED backed screen will be as bright as the "Ultra" extra lighted screen was. We shall see. Thanks for all the comments and hope you all had a good holiday weekend.
post #11 of 16

The/my DV7T screen really does stink.  I am coming from a matte 1440x900 Dell Inspiron and almost get sick when I look at the HP screen.  Funny thing is, I have only had it for five days now and when I ordered it, the 1080 screen option was not available as a choice for $150 more.  I would have opted for it if I knew just how bad this thing is.  Add in the low viewing angle that even moving your head up an inch can change the entire hue of the screen is terrible.  I design web pages on the side and now question if I will have problems with colors.  Heck, if you move your head up by four inches the entire top section changes into a reverse image where black is now white-ish.  Is this normal for laptop displays to be this bad?  I must not have been looking close enough when I was at Fry's before buying the laptop.

 

I called HP yesterday to complain about this and see what they would do for me.  Short of returning the unit and placing an entire new order, 21 day return policy, the phone rep says I have to purchase the new screen for $648 and pay an installer $49 to do the work to keep the warranty valid.  This is very frustrating and incredibly expensive.  The link from Scottlid above only has 1440x900 displays although the price is very good at $180 or there about.

 

In the end, before buying an HP because the price looks good, make sure you factor in that the display stinks and this is what you will be staring at 100% of the time when you use the machine.  Me personally, I would automatically add the $150 in during the order as I believe the default display is horrible.

post #12 of 16
Thread Starter 
Well my laptop with the standard screen has arrived and it is great. The screen has the same glossiness as the screen on the dv8000 but now the bezel is glossy too. So no real difference here.

I used my spot light meter to measure the brightness of each screen with the Google search page white background and the screen turned up as bright as possible on both screens.

At ISO 100, the old dv8000 (with the extra bright light feature) was Ev 10.3

At ISO 100, the new dv7 was Ev 10.6

So bottom line the new LED screen is actually slightly brighter which pleases me!

As noted above, glossy screens have a polarizer attached to the glass surface. They do reflect some, but as long as you don't have a bright light source behind you, it is OK.

I am very pleased.
post #13 of 16
spot light meter eh? Now this is a good tip to check out a screen brightness. Enjoy your comp and give us a personal review when you have time.

cheers ...
post #14 of 16

Edit:   I traded a dv6t for the dv7t with 1080 screen.   I like it very much all around.  While there was something I wasn't liking about the dv6t's feel, that has changed.   The extra space on the palm rest area feels plush and no longer skimpy/crowded.   I am surprised at such a difference.   The screen is great.  The mouse button is silly loud, but they all are now.  Sound is great.  I thought the 17 would be too large, but it's really nice to have and doesn't seem large.  I don't carry around much.  The numpad is quite spongey,flexy around the mid and left side of it.  It is definately usable, however i very often have to reenter numbers (2 weeks owner).  Not sure if I will become accustomed or not.   from before>>>>>>

I have the dv6t, new.  I think the standard screen is decent and with very acceptable viewing angles.  Don't worry if that's all you can budget.  I thought it was good actually untill last night when I went to Office Depot and even Walmart and compared it with all the other entry level laptops there (all they have) and found that the dv6t was the worst. (edit: bear in mind I did not tweak the screen settings which I found out about later.  I think now that it would equalize. )   It's a little less bright, and the colors are definately less saturated by 10 to 15% I'd guestimate.  It was no contest.  The dv6-xxxx models had a better screen.  (the amd entertainment models)  All of them seemed about the same.  Even the Lenovo z570 was better.  That one has poor screen reviews, however I found it to be equal to all the others and that with matte screen.   What I don't like are the very loud click of the dv6t mousepad buttons, and the sharp edges around the periphery of the hand rest.  The click is really anoying and I feel like I'm operating a $3 china voltmeter or other ubercheap device when I press the buttons. Each button makes at least 3 different "click-clack" sounds depending on where you depress it.    Also, because the palmest is aluminum, the plastic underbody comes up actually past the flat plane of the palmrest by about 1mm or less. It varies from unit to unit.  The result is a somewhat sharp plastic cutting edge constantly scraping your right palm.  Mine is actually kind of rashed and sensitive from it.  If you use it on the edge of a high desk with your hands hanging down it may be an issue.  If your arms are level it should not be a problem.   They did this because it's harder to bend the aluminum palmrest to wrap downwards than to just mold the plastic to come up.  Additionally, the leading edge of the palmrest is edgy-sharp which I don't like. Not really a huge issue, but with the above mentioned issues, it's taking away from the experience to the extent that I'm looking towards returning it even though I do not see any great alternatives with the same great features at a great price. If I do keep it, I'm going to actually take a file and level and round down the plastic that is at the leading edge of the palmrest.  After first placing a piece of duct tape temporarily along the aluminum palmrest to protect it..  The undercolor of the plastic will show through, but that's going to be worth it for me.   And I hope it will not effect the warranty.  I am somewhat picky about this kind of stuff, and it may not bother many people.  


Edited by nextari - 10/20/11 at 10:06am
post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by nextari View Post

I have the dv6t, new.  The standard screen is quite good with very acceptable viewing angles.  I think it's a great screen.  What I don't like are the very loud click of the mousepad buttons, and the sharp edges around the periphery.  The click is really anoying me and I feel like I'm operating a $3 china voltmeter or other ubercheap device when I press the buttons. Each button makes at least 3 different "clack" sounds depending on where you depress it.    Because the palmest is aluminum, the plastic underbody comes up actually past the flat plane of the palmrest by about 1mm or less. The result is a somewhat sharp cutting edge constantly scraping your right palm.  Mine is actually kind of rashed and sensitive from it.  If you use it on the edge of a desk with your hands hanging down it may be an issue.  If your arms are level it should not be a problem.   They did this because it's harder to bend the aluminum palmrest to wrap downwards than to just mold the plastic to come up.  Additionally, the leading edge of the palmrest is quite sharp which I don't like.  Not really a huge issue, but with the above mentioned issues, it's taking away from the experience to the extent that I'm looking towards returning it even though I do not see any great alternatives with the same great features at a great price.  I am somewhat picky about this kind of stuff, and it may not bother many people.


What about overlaying some vinyl in the palm rest area?

cheers ...
post #16 of 16

I could not stop laughing when I read your post. I am a network admin & web designer as well and I just bought a HP Pavilion DV7t-7000 Quad Edition laptop with the standard spec's but got the 8gb ram free upgrade, 750 HD free upgrade and paid for the 1080 screen and backlit keyboard. I have an academic account with HP and got the laptop for $994.50. I also got the XBox and 3 year Accidental drop, spill warranty for $194.00. I thought it was an awesome deal (which it was) and I was thrilled and could not wait to get it. About 2 weeks later I received it and it is a truly amazing laptop. It is fast, screen is crystal clear and backlit keyboard comes in handy while the family is watching TV and I am working. I was also thinking of getting back into gaming and was on the fence about getting the 16 GB ram upgrade for and additional $200.00 clams. I figured I could upgrade at a later time so I just stuck to the 8GB. About a week later, I was thinking I should have went with the 16GB because it was only $200.00 so I called HP and they said (like you did) if you want to upgrade to 16GB you have to send the laptop back and re-purchase a new one with the 16GB or just purchase the 2-8GB sticks. I asked how much were the sticks and they said $425.00 and I laughed and said that if I upgraded when I purchased it was only $200.00. Needless to say, they could not care less. So another week passes and I get an email with a coupon code (NBJ9867) for $450.00 off my laptop and I was curious and spec'd out my laptop again. Now they are giving free upgrades to 1 TB HD and now the 16GB ram to upgrade is $200.00 so I call to get a price and figure I would return this one and get the new one with the upgrades and pay the $200.00 and be happy. Well, to make a long story short, the same exact laptop with the free 1TB upgrade and 16GB ram for $200.00 now makes the laptop $1319.99 which is $319.00 more not the $200.00 of the ram change. I told them forget it and kept my laptop and I am still very happy and maybe one day down the road, I will upgrade the ram.

 

PS-The 1080 screen is so crystal clear and so crisp and clear and is worth the upcharge from the glossy one.

 

Rick

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