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What are the differences between PCTorque and Hypersonic?

post #1 of 53
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I've been doing a lot of comparing and researching over the last month, and It does seem like both these companys have very good reputations... I'm sure, in the end, I'd be happy with either.

But I was hoping someone here might be able to articulate a difference based on their experiences and/or knowledge of the systems.

I'm comparing the Hypersonic GX7 with the PC Torque 8790-V.

Configured with the P4 3.4GHZ extreme, 2048mb of ram, and the 60gb 7200RPM HD... And identical other options, the systems line up pretty similarly in price.

Actually there is about a $300 saving if I went with PCTorque, but there price did not include shipping. I'm working with about a $5k budget here.

Pros I've found with PCTorque/Sager system: Less expensive, Comes with case

Cons I've Found with PCTorque/Sager system: P4 3.4GHZ Extreme says "delay"

Pros for Hypersonic Aviator GX7: Free ground shipping, Arctic Silver applied (does this matter?), **EDIT: NOT TRUE - Built in speaker sytem w/ 5.1 (I think this is superior to the Sager right?) END EDIT**

Cons for Hypersonic Aviator GX7: Slightly more expensive, no other cons


I would appreciate any other suggestions or comments on my thoughts here. I just like to make sure I cover every base before making a purchase of this magnitude. Thanks!

P.S. I had been considering the Voodoo m:780 17" notebook, but have since dropped it due to price and lack of some features

Thanks again for any help...
post #2 of 53
to tell you the truth. these machines are made by the same manufacture, the GX7, 8790, and the Voodoo 780. the difference is if you want it in a fancy color or the plain dark gray. i know ill get in trouble for this but www.powernotebooks.com sells the same machine. i guess it all depends on how each company treats you.
read about name brands:
http://www.powernotebooks.com/Name_Brand.php3

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post #3 of 53
Thread Starter 
Thanks. I know that each company does their own "little things" with basically the same box.

But beyond things like technical support (which It appears both are pretty good at), and color choices (which, again, PCT and Hypersonic both offer). I was wondering if there were any more technical tweaks or items that one company excels at beyond the others.

Or is it just a fact that these types of companies (or at least these two specifically) offer pretty much the EXACT same thing with no noticeble or important differences?
post #4 of 53
They are actually the same system. There are minor differences between the two (I believe sound NOT being one of them) like the Hypersonic has the 6in1 card reader while Sager has 7in1. Artic silver has the potential of making the system run slightly cooler, but not worth the $300 price difference and something you could do yourself pretty easily. The GX7 takes forever to get. I ordered 5/10 and mine isn’t due to ship till 6/9.

I went with the GX7 for one reason, the option of getting a perfect screen for $119. After going through 4 DELL UltraSharp 2001FP monitors for my desktop computer, I know I simply cannot take a single dead pixel. Lots of people don't mind dead pixels at all, my eyes just seem drawn to them for some reason. I also have the worst luck possible, so if there was a chance of getting a dead pixel, I'd get one. So I spent ALOT more for a system then I probably should have (had to pay sales tax as well), but hopefully it will save me shipping since I wont have to buy and return until I had a perfect screen. I think the Dell UltraSharp 2001FP cost me over $150 in shipping and 2 months of aggravation by returning/rebuying so I wanted to avoid that. If you have ever had the pleasure of working with Dells customer service you know what I am talking about.
post #5 of 53
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Originally Posted by freestyle
I've been doing a lot of comparing and researching over the last month, and It does seem like both these companys have very good reputations... I'm sure, in the end, I'd be happy with either.

But I was hoping someone here might be able to articulate a difference based on their experiences and/or knowledge of the systems.

I'm comparing the Hypersonic GX7 with the PC Torque 8790-V.

Configured with the P4 3.4GHZ extreme, 2048mb of ram, and the 60gb 7200RPM HD... And identical other options, the systems line up pretty similarly in price.

Actually there is about a $300 saving if I went with PCTorque, but there price did not include shipping. I'm working with about a $5k budget here.

Pros I've found with PCTorque/Sager system: Less expensive, Comes with case

Cons I've Found with PCTorque/Sager system: P4 3.4GHZ Extreme says "delay"

Pros for Hypersonic Aviator GX7: Free ground shipping, Arctic Silver applied (does this matter?), Built in speaker sytem w/ 5.1 (I think this is superior to the Sager right?)

Cons for Hypersonic Aviator GX7: Slightly more expensive, no other cons


I would appreciate any other suggestions or comments on my thoughts here. I just like to make sure I cover every base before making a purchase of this magnitude. Thanks!

P.S. I had been considering the Voodoo m:780 17" notebook, but have since dropped it due to price and lack of some features

Thanks again for any help...
The artic silver may (repeat may) make the machine run cooler. The two models are not the same - there are some subtle diferences (DVI plug in the back and a 6-in-1 -v- 7-in-1 reader being two of them).

The subwoofer is also standard at PC Torque with the 8 cell battery also.

The case is really nothing to brag about; however, it does work for carrying the laptop around - just be careful as there is no/very limited padding.

Hypersonic may have a few of the 3.4EE's as one forum visitor has reported receiving a unit configured that way.

Mostly, you will need to closely examine the "sameness" of the units, the price, and service that is reported. I bought my configuration from PC Torque because of what I felt was a high degree of integrity and their ability to answer all of my questions and issues (and there were many - and many were odd). There are some slight price differences; however, not very much. Hypersonic always appears to be a bit high; however, they have their reasons for their pricing policies and they may be worth it - I just don't know.

Both vendors will work and are reputable.

Good Luck.
post #6 of 53
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by MarkS
They are actually the same system. There are minor differences between the two (I believe sound NOT being one of them) like the Hypersonic has the 6in1 card reader while Sager has 7in1. Artic silver has the potential of making the system run slightly cooler, but not worth the $300 price difference and something you could do yourself pretty easily. The GX7 takes forever to get. I ordered 5/10 and mine isn’t due to ship till 6/9.
Can anyone confirm that they have the same sound system?

On the 6 in 1 and 7 in 1 card reader, I couldn't figure out which 1 extra reader the GX7 is missing. I think that PCT's Sager just considers "Memory Stick" and "Memory Stick Pro" as two seperate cards while Hyper considers them "Memory Stick/Pro"... Not certain on this though.

I don't know much about Arctic silver, but I know enough to know that I don't think I'd want to open the laptop up and spray something on it. lol So if it really does something, then I guess that's a bonus.

On the shipping times: With a painted case, is there a difference between the two companies?

...and call me crazy, but I think I'd risk the pixel thing.
post #7 of 53
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Originally Posted by Go-Omaha
The artic silver may (repeat may) make the machine run cooler. The two models are not the same - there are some subtle diferences (DVI plug in the back and a 6-in-1 -v- 7-in-1 reader being two of them).Good Luck.
Whoa... which one does not have a DVI plug?

I'm pretty certain that a member of this fourm said that his GX7 did have that connection.
post #8 of 53
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Originally Posted by freestyle
Whoa... which one does not have a DVI plug?

I'm pretty certain that a member of this fourm said that his GX7 did have that connection.
Take a real close look at the picture (rear) and the specifications list.

Then take a look at the GX-8 (8890 complimenting Sager). Now here it does show and state the DVI. The Sager models have them - I know as I am using one at this time. The Hypersonic may not (Can't say for sure as I have not physically seen one) as their specifications indicate (1 x External CRT Monitor)

Many people report that these two models are the same. I; however, have reservations about that as the backplanes pictured are different with the GX-7 looking more like a Sager 4780 than 8790.

The 6-in-1/7-in-1 difference may be as you expressed however they state (6-in-1 card reader MMC/SD/ MS/CF/IBM Microdrive). The Sager unit includes an "SM" designator (SmartMedia Card). I think that is the "real" difference.
post #9 of 53
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Originally Posted by Go-Omaha


Many people report that these two models are the same. I; however, have reservations about that as the backplanes pictured are different with the GX-7 looking more like a Sager 4780 than 8790.

If you look at the properties of that picture on Hypersonic's site, the picture of the GX7 (8790) is actually called zx734bl.jpg. It's a recycled picture of their ZX7 (4780). The GX7 has the dvi connecter, I have one. The box actually said D870, which is Clevo's model number for the system.
post #10 of 53
rchess,

Then that also explains the floppy in the picture. Kind of hard to comparison shop if the product displays and specifications a not correct. Does it have a Smart Media reader?

On the bottom of your unit does it say it is a D87P and/or D870P for the make/model?
post #11 of 53
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Originally Posted by Go-Omaha
rchess,

Then that also explains the floppy in the picture. Kind of hard to comparison shop if the product displays and specifications a not correct. Does it have a Smart Media reader?

On the bottom of your unit does it say it is a D87P and/or D870P for the make/model?

It does say it handles smart media I think (I'm at work), and the model number was D870P. I'll check later to make sure.
post #12 of 53
I agree with rchess. I also have the GX7 and it definitely has the DVI on the back.

Also, as for the box, it states D870P. I also like the fact that all of the items are W/O (CPU, HDD, RAM, CDROM). Shows you that the OEMs can actually have different parts. As for Go's question, the model on the bottom of the laptop shows D87P, but the product number (right under the Model line) is D870P. So actually both are listed on the bottom of the laptop.

I think the shipping times between PCT and Hypersonic would be closer with the custom paint job. Those who are not getting the custom paint seem to get their system within the same week or so. However, when you are looking at the custom paint, I think it states an additional two weeks.

I believe (just my assumption) the reason all default GX7's take awhile is because the blue color is set as a default, but not the default color of the system coming from CLEVO. Would be interesting to see what the difference would be if someone selected the non-custom painted version of the GX7.

Enough rambling.
post #13 of 53
Then I STAND CORRECTED.

I guess Hypersonic-PC is just doing a bad job of posting the pecifications and pictures for the 8790 equivalent.

Gary
post #14 of 53
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Would be interesting to see what the difference would be if someone selected the non-custom painted version of the GX7
I selected a non-custom paint job. Placed order 5/10 and its not due to ship till 6/9.
post #15 of 53

Correction

A few notes I would like to add is that Hypersonic does a 72 minimum burn in and testing period and they provide a recovery CD. They also provide you with a folder with your notebooks's benchmarks. Their standard dead pixel policy is no more than 2 dead or partially lit in the center or outside the center. You can upgrade to the no dead pixel guarantee for $119 which can save you a bundle in shipping should you receive one or two or more. Shipping both ways is covered by them. Also, there is no dealing with Sager. If you have any problems, you deal with Hypersonic directly. I also believe the Subwoofer and 8 cell battery is standard.

Nic

{edit} It's no more than 1 dead/partially lit pixel in the center and no more than 2 out of the center.
post #16 of 53
one big difference also, the paint job. Different colors done by the two companies, and not sourced from Clevo.

Also as ratmyr said, you can configer the Hyper with no drives/cpu/mem, but I wonder if they will supply you with the HD and optical caddy/interface and if it will be painted should you opt for a custom paint.

I agree with Omaha and am a little concerned that Hyper can't get their specs nor the picture straight regarding the VGA/DVI out. Not detail oriented? I do like their 'no dead pixel policy' which you can pay for. But I wonder who gets the panels with the dead pixels that are rejected from those buyers....hmm.

Arctic silver, if given a choice, everyone would prefer to have. But I don't think anyone here is fanatical enough to consider it a factor in a purchasing decision.
post #17 of 53
I considered the Artic Siver, as well as many other factorsm when looking at replacing my original "HOT" 8790. After considering all things and reviedw everything that all had to say, decided that I just had a "bad unit" an it was not indicitive of all the 8790's produced. I would have willingly paid an extra $25-$50 for the Artic silver if it was offered as an option.
post #18 of 53
MarkS. Thanks for the information. I assumed someone not going with the blue color would have had a shorter time. Even with the 72hr burn-in, three-to-four weeks is a lot of time for a non-painted system.

My system wait time was a bit long, but I had gone with the Red Metallic. Interesting since mine with a paint job is just as fast as one without. Strange, but interesting. However, the wait was worth it.

As for the pictures and misleading information, that is a shame. However, I am sure those of us with the GX7 can answer questions if others have them as well.

Also. If the case that Go-Omaha is talking about is the same I received, you want to order a case (or buy separately. This is not what I consider as a laptop case. There is no padding and really not a lot of storage space. Mine came with software and cables in it. I am going to give it to my daughter for her smaller KDS laptop. I went with the Targus Deluxe and I really like this backpack. Very sturdy and lots of padding for your back, shoudlers and the special package inside. Just my opinion.

But going back to the original topic of the thread, I am sure either system that you go with (the 8790 or the GX7), you will find similar enjoyment. A side by side would be nice to see how they perform, but other than that, they should be close.

Good luck on your choices.
post #19 of 53
Pros for Hypersonic Aviator GX7: Free ground shipping, Arctic Silver applied (does this matter?), Built in speaker sytem w/ 5.1 (I think this is superior to the Sager right?)

-------> No, 8790 has 4 speakers + subwoofer and 5.1 .
With Arctic Silver + no dead/stuck pixel option + free shipping I would go for the GX7 because my last 2 screen wxga+ ( 1st one was perfect but acted up only 1 week and 2nd one had 3 dead/stuck pixels) costed me the shipping and the frustration. My current wsxga+ screen is perfect and I love it.
post #20 of 53
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Go-Omaha

The 6-in-1/7-in-1 difference may be as you expressed however they state (6-in-1 card reader MMC/SD/ MS/CF/IBM Microdrive). The Sager unit includes an "SM" designator (SmartMedia Card). I think that is the "real" difference.
From Hypersonic info pop up:
Compact Flash Type I & II
IBM MicroDrive
Smart Media
Multimedia
Secure Digital
Memory Stick / Pro

From PCT info pop up: SD/MS/MMC/CF/MS_PRO/SM/MD

I don't know, my brain is mush.
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