Will the 4200 rpm hd in the acer ferrari 3200 slow down UT2004 a lot? - Page 2

I cannot fathom how HD speed could make a difference in game performance (other than loading).
Think about it.... 2.1 GB/s at least versus 50mb/s... It makes no sense to access the HD during gameplay, load everything into RAM.
The only time a game would use the HD is if there is no RAM left, or if Windows' stupid memory management system decides to store stuff in virtual memory... not likely for a process using 100% cpu tho.

uhmm ut2k4 takes up 5 gigs for a reason, the game uses alot of data and graphics it needs to load.

and no it wasnt a typo, the fact is, the current amd motherboards that use the 9700 (the voodoo 860/arima whatever) have slightly worse performance than similar notebooks with 9600 pro, those motherboards just arnt built to utilize the 9700. its kind of like putting 400ddr ram in a comp that can only handle 333. i think you guys are just upset because you may have already ordered that thing, lol.

Mr. Woo.

I have UT2K4 installed, I know it is huuuuge. But, most of that size is in maps, and there are lots of maps. So, how much of that 5 gigs do you expect the game actually needs at any given time? I would be very surprised to find out that number exceeds more than 256 or 512 mb.

Hell, UT2K4 is a directx8 game (I think)... at 1024x768 with details set to high it runs at 40fps on my Inspiron 4150 (P4-M 1.7 w/ Radeon 7500 32mb). A Ferrari will generate frame rates in excess of the LCD's refresh rate...

That's kind of a stupid statement. I've read numerous articles suggesting that the performance of the 9700 is optimized by the newest AMD processors, especially the new 64 bit processors. It's late, but I'll google it tomorrow and give you some links... unless someone beats me to it. Or if you decide to take your head out of your ass and look at the numbers and common sense.

roger, mobo chipset is different, sorry to dissapoint you mister woo

Games installed on my laptop that ACCESS the HD during gameplay.

1. City Of Heroes
2. Far Cry
3. Everquest
4. Max Payne 3

Most of the newer games are accessing your HD DURING gameplay the bottom line is a 7200 rpm drive will assist.

I am trying to find a benchmark of the 80gb 5400rpm and the 60gb 7200rpm it was around when the drives first hit the streets - i'll keep googling see if i can find it - but it showed despite the SLIGHTLY higher density of the 80gb which in theory should provide faster disk access - the end results in the benchmarks said NO the 60gb 7200 rpm is top.

I wouldnt put a 5400rpm drive in my desktop.........I aint gonna put one in my laptop.

Heres what to do:

1. Open ferrari box
2. Amaze at its deisgn and weight.
3. Open machine install 1gb of memory
4. Install 7200rpm drive
5. Sell 80gb on ebay to recover over half the cost the 7200rpm.
6. Enjoy a fast machine with an awesome processor, lots of memory and a fast hard drive.

Like I stated in another thread. If you love everything about a machine apart from the HD Size or HD Speed or the amount of memory that comes with a machine - DO NOT LET IT PUT YOU OFF.

Both memory and HD's are lowcost Items that can be changed quickly and cheaply whenever you feel like upgrading. It's the non upgradeable parts you have to take a careful look at: Screen, Possibly Processor,Chassis,Design,DVD Writer,Weight,Graphics Cards etc. (Yes I know some ODM's allow this to be changed).

im not saying amd/9700 is always going to suck, but the only mobo out right now is the 860/arima model, and that one, does suck. all im saying is the acer most likely is going to use a completly revolutionized mobo and be the best there is, the old 9600 pros will still beat it. well i guess we wont see till you guys actually get this thing, but id wager the old mitac 8335 will beat this thing at equal ram and hd.

You should check the benchmarks on THG Sad. Mr Woo, they tell a different story.

Sad Mr Woo....

Where are you getting your information I cannot find any evidence that points to your performance statements....

Secondly, I dont think people are upset because they have already ordered the machine....cause if in the highly unlikely chance that your statements are upheld the machine will be returned the retailer i have purchased from offers a 7 day no quibble return policy.

And finally.............nice name appropiate..

haha

i agree, where are you getting this information from woo?
it makes no sense

who cares if the current mobo sucks! a new one is coming out with the ferrari 3200 so there is no point to your argument! stfu plz

ooooh. Shut down! You gonna take that Mr. Woo? Why don't you make another bad argument?

yeah the benchmarks at thg arnt running in a real laptop, theyre running from a big box they themselves made, they werent testing any actual amd/9700 laptops than because well there werent any. and a big box is never going to have any heating issues or design confliction. like i said before, im sure there will be great amd/9700 lappys eventually, but this acer is not going to be it. mitac 8335 will still beat it. and no i do not own an 8335, but its currently the most powerful amd based laptop, thats why i bring it up.

and if you want to look at numbers now the only thing available is the voodoo 860/arima widescreen as iv said, look up peoples benchmarks at the voodoo forums, its performing lower than voodoos own 8335. most likely because arima rushed this mobo, and its likely acer has done the same thing, seeing theres zero similar lappys out anytime soon.

yes the ferrari could potentionally be great, but its a gamble. i say again time will tell. but im most likely going to laugh in your faces when these things get here.

i owned the mitac8335 and it got 2600 stock in 3dmark03

overclocked to the limit it got 3100 in 3dmark03

Sad Mr. Woo, your statements border the fine line between knowledge and a total vegetative state. I don't think that the HD will affect performance nearly as much as you state. If you knew nearly as much as you think you do, you would realize that the HD loads into the RAAAAAMMM and the program runs from the RAM, so unless the program uses massive amounts of memory to run (which is unlikely with 512-1 gig RAM) there should be a relatively small diference. Please, educate yourself before you start spouting nonsense.

By the way Mr. Woo, do you work for Compal? You seem to dislike Acer.

most new games activily load from the harddrive during play, like far cry and ut2k4, how much ram you have wont affect how fast your hd can go, your game will be waiting for your hd to load to your ram. i dont know what other games do/dont load from hd ingame but utk24 definitly does.

no i dont dislike acer, but i wouldnt trust them to be the first to create a great amd/9700 chipset, espicially when other bigger companies seem to be having so much trouble with it.

rincewind, are you sure you have a pro/turbo in there? most people dont seem to have trouble breaking 3200 in 3dmark'03 but what are your 3dmark01 scores? those tend to be a better measurement.

You right, the HD loads to the Ram, but most of the program resides in the RAM. you make it sound like the entire program is running off of the HD. Unless you use all of your RAM the program code will reside in the RAM, and the data files will remain on the HD. I can not believe that any came uses so much data on a particular level that the HD will really drive performance scores down. Also, Acer is not a really small company. They are not as big as some Taiwan/Chinese giants, but they make good products and seem to truly try to innovate.The only solution to this little disagreement is to have someone get a Ferrari 3200, and then benchmark it with a 4200 RPM and 5400/7200 RPM HD.

Ricewind, your scores are low, what is the default clock speed on your vcard?