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post #1 of 31
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Although I will do my best to give a heads-up to new technology in the mobile space, it should be clear that Intel has decided to make a huge turn in its planned products for the microprocessor arena. Very recently Intel decided to dump its desktop and server processors ('Tejas' and 'Jayhawk' and their successors) slated to come out in the next couple of quarters without much explanation. In retrospect, it is quite clear why Intel did this and every computer user from beginners to the pros should be listening—it’s not every day a multi-billion dollar behemoth of a company hits the e-brake and makes a u-turn. The big problem is that the architecture that is too concerned with a longer pipeline so that clock frequencies could get ramped up quickly but the consequences (not directly) were massive power consumption which led to heat removal issues. As processors get faster but smaller, the current direction Prescott was heading in would have led to the ratio of heat dissipated per unit area skyrocketing.

Intel has instead decided to turn in the direction of ‘Jonah’ which is going to be the first dual-core Pentium M processor. What dual-core essentially means is putting two CPUs into one package so they can communicate with each other without slow buses getting in the way. This will also be accompanied by a far more efficient memory management and access system (which Intel has traditionally lacked) such that each CPU won’t have to waste clock cycles waiting for data from the main system memory. So hopefully this means that processors for desktops and mobile systems will be more alike in their capabilities rather than the huge speed discrepancies that existed in the past. So for all of you out there who have repeatedly claimed that the Pentium-M processor is somehow inferior; well all the proof you need is out on the table for anyone to examine. In the end, Prescott and its successors are flawed in terms of key design issues that warranted Intel to move to Centrino onto both the desktop and notebook.

With this in mind, we should be looking at future developments in the mobile space as even more important. This is a perfect lead in to the original post… There is a ton of information on the "2004 Centrino Platform" or as many have called it: Centrino 2 (better known as ‘Sonoma’).

Dothan will be coupled with the Alviso chipset (Intel 955) around the late second half of 2004 which is the same time the 533 MHz FSB model Dothans are to be released. The current Dothan is based on a 90-nanometer process with 2MB of L2 cache. This replaces the Banias core based on the 130-nanometer process with 1MB of L2 cache. Although during full-speed running states the Dothan consumes less power per clock cycle, its sleep, deep sleep and deeper sleep power mode states actually consume more power than Banias. The quick and dirty numbers are:

Dothan (any model #):

Thermal Design Power: 21 W (Full speed) / 7.5 W (Speedstep)
Sleep Power: 3.2 W
Deep Sleep Power: 2.5 W
Deeper Sleep Power: 0.8 W

Centrino (the normal voltage models--i.e. 1.7 GHz, 1.6 GHz, 1.4 GHz, etc):

Thermal Design Power: 24.5 W (Full speed) / 6 W (Speedstep)
Sleep Power: 1.7 W
Deep Sleep Power: 1.1 W
Deeper Sleep Power: 0.55 W

Another item that stands out is the fact that the only time you gain anything with Dothan is when it’s running its full clock potential because even in low-MHz Speedstep the Banias consumes less power.

Alviso is going to be a mobile revolution of sorts because it will be bringing so many new technologies to the mobile space. Along with a FSB speed increase from 400 MHz to 533 MHz, we will see a new system bus called PCI Express. This has a lot of advantages over the now aging PCI bus system which includes much more bandwidth so that, for example, uncompressed audio streams, gigabit Ethernet, next-generation Firewire / USB peripherals, and improvements in SCSI / SATA will have room to breathe. The bandwidth available is 250 MBps in each of two directions while PCI is only 132 MBps total in both directions.

Another welcomed addition with Alviso will be ExpressCard and the removal of PCMCIA (PC Card) slots which it is replacing. Current PC Card slots have a pin-in-socket design (prone to breaking) with 132 MBps bandwidth total. This link can easily be saturated by most add-on peripherals people want to put into their laptops these days. The replacement ExpressCard will be a serial connection (not parallel like PC Card) and the connector will be a beam-on-blade style. It will have 250MBps of bandwidth in each of two directions and therefore requires PCI Express to be present as the system bus. There will be two sizes of cards, one is ExpressCard/54 and the other is ExpressCard/34. These cards will no longer have the mechanical removal mechanism seen on PC cards but will stick out about half an inch so the user will have to manually pull them out. ExpressCard specifications require connection compatibility with USB 2.0, so older notebooks will have external USB readers for ExpressCard. Expresscard/34, the smaller form-factor of the two, will have a PC Card adapter so it can plug into older notebooks.

Alviso will support up to eight USB 2.0 ports and four PCI Express ports.

Memory technology continues to hum along at a good pace and we should see dual-channel DDR 2 SDRAM (up to 2 GB) as the new memory standard with Alviso.

Although some laptops (such as my Dell M60) come with gigabit Ethernet, it is companies like Broadcom and not Intel supplying the networking portion of the chipset. Alviso will change this by offering integrated gigabit Ethernet which should translate into a slightly cheaper system in the end due to reduction in the number of components with the same performance potential.

Although present already in desktops, Serial ATA (SATA) will make its debut in Alviso. Hard drive rotational speeds are already creeping past the standard 4200 RPM drive onto 5400 RPM and 7200 RPM drives which should benefit from the faster interface.

Intel has already released the 2200BG which includes both 802.11b/g under the Centrino brand name. Look for Calexico II (Intel codename) wireless with 802.11a/b/g functionality with better Bluetooth integration when Alviso debuts. Other technologies to look forward to are 802.11n which should double the speed of 802.11g but Intel has no plans right now of integrating this into its Centrino (Calexico) line-up. WEP was replaced with a better standard known as WPA. WPA was meant as an interim fix until 802.11i security is released in early 2005. Most manufacturers will have firmware upgrades from WPA to 802.11i available around the products release. (802.11i is just a security protocol and note another form of wireless networking like 802.11g.) Along with the release of Calexico II, Intel will feature new wireless configuration software, codenamed 'Muroc', that provides a much easier to use interface. Intel has also built in hardware-based AES encryption which replaces the current DES encryption. Intel is hoping that all wireless technologies can be integrated onto the system board without the need for mini-PCI connectors that most laptops use today as this should allow laptops to become even smaller. However, initially don't be surprised to continue to see mini-PCI playing its usual role in systems.

Next, AC97 audio which has been the standard for a long time will be replaced with Intel's High Definition Audio sub-system (formerly known as “Azalia”) built into the ICH6-M South Bridge. This is a multi-channel audio system that will come standard with Alviso-equipped notebooks along with a whole host of amazing new sound-related technologies and software that should allow any laptop system to play a DVD in a multi-channel format without the need for an add-on external sound "card". The aim will also be to make it easier for laptops to play multi-channel audio-equipped video games with less equipment clutter.

NVIDIA recently released information on their new MXM (short for Mobile-PCI eXpress Module) upgradeable video standard. There are three types of MXM cards. The smallest type, MXM-I has been designed for thin and light notebooks and MXM-II is for the average notebook. The one to really have is the MXM-III which is for large desktop replacements and workstation laptops. Look for this in new laptops which should make the upgrade process to newer and faster video cards much easier. Although not directly meant as a part of Intel’s Alviso, this technology requires PCI Express equipped laptops so it will not come out before then. Many Taiwanese manufacturers have signed on to providing this technology so expect most name-brand laptops to come with it. Although not of concern to most hardcore gamers, systems integrators will be able to choose a version of Alviso that includes the third version of Intel's integrated Extreme Graphics which will have dual-display capability and TV out.

Screens should be improving with technology such as MVA by Fujitsu which allows brighter text with better viewing angles. Screen resolutions will be increasing across the board. 17" screens with WUXGA (1920x1200) resolution will be making their debut once the problems with large-scale manufacturing can be brought down in price. 4:3 non-widescreen systems will be relegated to only the cheapest systems.

The last and most important thing is when is all this coming? Don't expect all of these components in a single laptop until January 2005.

In conclusion, the next 6 months will be an exciting time for the mobile industry. Small systems such as OQO and Flipstart that run full versions of Windows XP will also be making their debuts. Furthermore, Motorola will be releasing their MPX which will be far and away one of the most well equipped Pocket PC systems and hopefully will be functional without any usability headaches. My recommendation to anyone who is waiting right now for a system to show up is that waiting is probably a good thing. Times like this come only once every so often in the computer industry and consumers should take advantage of it. The last time this happened was when Centrino first debuted. Today, many of us who bought systems back then can still upgrade to Dothan and have top-of-the-line systems. For those who cannot wait, buy a used notebook or one of the bargain systems out there that show up for a few hundred dollars and then splurge when all these components show up.

Anyway, I hope that helps. Please excuse the typos and grammatical problems. I'll fix them after my nap. =)

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post #2 of 31
very informative
post #3 of 31
Nice, very informative. I wonder if it is worth getting a laptop around september. I hope the laptop manufacturer adopt PCI Exp. around that time but that seems unlikely
post #4 of 31
I think he made the point it will likely be the begining of 2005 to see most of this in action. But, with the exception of the nVidia modular video, this is all Intel stuff. Intel is trying to switch gears from the last 4 years of Giga-Hurts and get back into the more efficient P6 architecture their mobile lines are based on. They found out there really are limits on clock speed and photolithograpy. 4G and 90 nm is about it when too many other issues like leakage and heat become predominant.

The new direction is multi. Multi-processing, multi-processor, multi-core will be the buzz words a year from now. Gitch yer multi now!
post #5 of 31
Dothan (any model #):

Thermal Design Power: 21 W (Full speed) / 7.5 W (speedstep)
Sleep Power: 3.2 W
Deep Sleep Power: 2.5 W
Deeper Sleep Power: 0.8 W

Centrino (the normal voltage models--i.e. 1.7Ghz, 1.6Ghz, 1.4Ghz, etc):

Thermal Design Power: 24.5 W (Full speed) / 6 W (speedstep)
Sleep Power: 1.7 W
Deep Sleep Power: 1.1 W
Deeper Sleep Power: 0.55 W

the 7.5w speedstep for dothan compared to 6w speedstep for banias equates to howmuch more/less mobile time? anyone know?
post #6 of 31
Wow thx man.. Some really great info there. Interesteing stuff.
post #7 of 31
I think what I'm really waiting on at this point is ATi's response to nVidia's MXM.
post #8 of 31
Can't remember where I saw off hand, but it seemed like Dothan was about 10-15 minutes less than Banias with speedstep enabled.

Not that much, but it may be an issue for some.
post #9 of 31
Wow, VERY imformative indeed. I was hoping to buy an Asus M6N next month... but with all these new stuff coming out, I might delay that for 6 months.

To buy or NOT to buy... that is the question.

What an exciting era we are about to witness.
post #10 of 31
Great information, although ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by hrana
4:3 non-widescreen systems will be relegated to only the cheapest systems.
I hope this is not a true statement.
post #11 of 31
Quote:
Originally Posted by flyer
Great information, although ...



I hope this is not a true statement.
If you have a widescreen with WUXGA resolution, you'll have no trouble finding a comfortable setting for games that don't support widescreen and widescreen is usually accepted as being better for everything else.

I'm waiting for an AMD 64 notebook with all these features myself. It's hard waiting though. Maybe I'll buy an Acer Ferrari for the wife to tide me,....er,....her over until that day comes.
post #12 of 31
Quote:
Originally Posted by tron
If you have a widescreen with WUXGA resolution, you'll have no trouble finding a comfortable setting for games that don't support widescreen and widescreen is usually accepted as being better for everything else.
I will dispute that "widescreen is usually accepted as being better for everything else" and I think you will find that many people think they are a gimmick and overrated. For instance, a 15.4" 16:10 widescreen actually has less screen area than a 15" 4:3 screen.

http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=23163

Some people like widescreens, some people don't, it's a fairly well-disputed thing. Given that, it's a much too strong statement that widescreen is best for almost everything.

It can probably be stated that widescreens are better for DVD watching, but as for anything else it is up to personal preference.
post #13 of 31
I think Jan 2005 is an acceptable time frame considering the delays with Dothan. I'm down to deciding on a Powerbook and a "Centrino 2" nc8000 [or a comparable model]. I have to upgrade my desktop system too; so that can be down before the laptop upgrade and thrawt off the waiting process.

It would be cool for the G5 and "Centrino 2" package to come out around the same time frame. Then I could truly compare which system would be best for performance, value, and longevity.
post #14 of 31
Quote:
Originally Posted by flyer
I will dispute that "widescreen is usually accepted as being better for everything else" and I think you will find that many people think they are a gimmick and overrated. For instance, a 15.4" 16:10 widescreen actually has less screen area than a 15" 4:3 screen.

http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=23163

Some people like widescreens, some people don't, it's a fairly well-disputed thing. Given that, it's a much too strong statement that widescreen is best for almost everything.

It can probably be stated that widescreens are better for DVD watching, but as for anything else it is up to personal preference.
Personal reference? Yes. But personal references are controlled by physiological bases. Like how we "prefer" gloves with five fingers to gloves with four. Similar thing with widescreens: they are closer to the apsect ratio of the human field of vision, and therefore the majority of people should prefer this ratio. The more square aspect ratio is a remnant of the old ages when technological limitations on CRT production required the aspect ratio to be close to a square so the image could be displayed on round CRTs. Now that we have the technology, we could finally depart from the old aspect ratios and move toward a natural one.
post #15 of 31
I wonder then why most books & papers I read are portrait (tall) rather than landscape (wide).
post #16 of 31
Thread Starter 
Hey guys, lets get back on topic. Book pages (not books themselves) are usually taller rather than wider because of the simple human tendency to lose place in excessively long lines. Even if you were to divide that space, you must think of how our hands work. Our hands are designed for tasks that occur right in front of us, whereas our field of vision is wide and not as tall. Now, if I am working in Word, I do not need to hold my laptop to read the document I am working on. All I need is my eyes. Quite frankly, widescreen is much better for me since I can view two pages side by side.

Anyway, this is pointless discussion. If you like one more than another, then that is a point of view you have based on a paradigm that you don't want to change. Technically speaking, you should be better off using a device with a widescreen format.
post #17 of 31
Thread Starter 
I updated the text above. Also, I'll write another post in a week or two regarding the desktop processor technology coming up.
post #18 of 31
its interesting.....notebooks are very much catching up with desktop technology these days. My guess would be that within a few years desktops will be almost completely replaced by notebooks. I mean with all of this new technology like better sound/upgradable video/etc... what would be the point of buying a desktop with the same technology if i could just get a laptop and a nice CRT monitor/keyboard/speakers/mouse for it to connect to when i want to keep it stationary? I know many people probably do this now, but i think what is holding most people back is the fact that their desktops are still ahead of notebooks in the user upgradable fashion (video,sound, etc..).
post #19 of 31
Price
post #20 of 31
Notebooks could replace desktops if several things occur, such as storage (hard drives) changing completely from what they are today. Until then, desktop hard drives (SCSI, 10,000rpm SATA, even 7200 EIDE models) will greatly outperform those found in notebooks, just due to the rotational speed, due to the fact that current notebooks can not deal with the added heat from higher rpm's.
Capacity is an issue. By the time that notebook hard drives get to 200GB in size, the desktop IDE's or SATA's may be larger than 1TB each.
Also, some desktop users enjoy having many hard drives. 4 or more internal hard drives in a desktop is not a rarity. The notebook can not do this now.
When some sort of "solid state storage" evolves, then the desktop could be doomed.
Andrew
Austin, TX

Quote:
Originally Posted by smakdown61
its interesting.....notebooks are very much catching up with desktop technology these days. My guess would be that within a few years desktops will be almost completely replaced by notebooks. I mean with all of this new technology like better sound/upgradable video/etc... what would be the point of buying a desktop with the same technology if i could just get a laptop and a nice CRT monitor/keyboard/speakers/mouse for it to connect to when i want to keep it stationary? I know many people probably do this now, but i think what is holding most people back is the fact that their desktops are still ahead of notebooks in the user upgradable fashion (video,sound, etc..).
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