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post #61 of 78
If you are wanting the easiest to read, definatly stick to a 15" xga or 15.4" wxga.

I think even sxga+ on a 15" is going to be comparable to 1280x1024 native on your flat panel IE: too small.
post #62 of 78
aamsel:

Yes, your horizontal pixel density (proportional to 1024/5 = 204.8) is greater than your vertical pixel density (proportional to 768/4 = 192). Since their ratio is 204.8/192 = 1.0666..., the circles are stretched vertically by 6.7%. That is not too much, I guess.

As for readability, do you have ClearType on? Further, some video cards are better than others for non-native resolutions on LCD-s. What card are you using?
post #63 of 78
Thread Starter 
Thanks.
I do have ClearType on. I have an ATI Radeon 9500 Pro that my son flashed to make it a 9700. I was thinking about getting a Saphire Radeon 9800 Pro next week. Which cards do better at non-native??
Also, I was at the Monitors Direct site, and wondered about their tools, such as BestView. I am assuming that this still won't fix the problems associated with Internet Explorer and font sizes? I really hate to go to a non-Microsoft browser.
Let me know.
Thanks!
Andrew
Austin, TX

Quote:
Originally Posted by KCK
aamsel:

Yes, your horizontal pixel density (proportional to 1024/5 = 204.8) is greater than your vertical pixel density (proportional to 768/4 = 192). Since their ratio is 204.8/192 = 1.0666..., the circles are stretched vertically by 6.7%. That is not too much, I guess.

As for readability, do you have ClearType on? Further, some video cards are better than others for non-native resolutions on LCD-s. What card are you using?
post #64 of 78
aamsel:

Let me address your several issues in some order.

I guess you are not worried about your vertical stretching by 6.7%. Still, some combinations of video cards / drivers / external LCD-s might work without any distortions, at the cost of black vertical sidebars. To this end, you could peek at the documention of your LCD (or just enter its on-screen setup), and look in your video driver for features such as "maintain a fixed aspect ratio".

I have no idea about which desktop cards do better at non-native. However, most notebook users agree that nVidia does better than ATI. This is not what you would like to hear for your desktop, but it is yet another aspect to burden your notebook options!

As for MonitorsDirect's BestView, I guess it just provides another interface for Windows options. Maybe it does more, but if you wish to try it, check your current settings first, since it may not be easy to revert to them afterwards.

Let me add that on my C840's UltraSharp UXGA with Windows setting of 120 DPI, everything looks just fine, including fonts, icons, IE on most sites, etc. Hence I have never felt the need for exploring other settings. I just hope it will be the same with my newly-ordered M60's WUXGA, since it sports nVidia Quadro Go1000 (similar to GeForce FX Go5700).
post #65 of 78
Thread Starter 
OK, so I gave myself 'till about the 15th to place an order!! My "drop-dead" time for having a notebook in my hands was approximately July 1st, and I figured that if I ordered an IBM it could take up to 4-5 weeks. Since that system is now not likely, I have a little more time. (it had to be!) My preference, and my goal is still to order by the end of this week. I have been without a notebook for 6 weeks, which irritates me. However, a delayed decision is always better than a bad decision, I feel. Still want to do this ASAP.

Anyhow, I did check the manual for the desktop Samsung 191T, and it does expand signals lower than 1280X1024, BUT NOT FOR DIGITAL, which is how I am running it off the ATI 9700. It would be best if I found a setup I could live with at native, but, again, I haven't yet. I will check out systems with nVidia. I have been down on nVidia since they bought Voodoo and ran them out of business. Man, I LOVED my Voodoo 3 video card!! I guess I will need to read a primer on nVidia mobile solutions if I go that direction, since there are do darned many of them. What is really strange is some of the Dell's, etc. that have nVidia and ATI solutions in the same notebook model!! Really weird.

Any good links on nVidia mobile solutions you know of?

I am going to try to avoid 3rd party utilites at all costs. Too much grief.

Thanks for your assistance and support.
Andrew
Austin, TX

Quote:
Originally Posted by KCK
aamsel:

Let me address your several issues in some order.

I guess you are not worried about your vertical stretching by 6.7%. Still, some combinations of video cards / drivers / external LCD-s might work without any distortions, at the cost of black vertical sidebars. To this end, you could peek at the documention of your LCD (or just enter its on-screen setup), and look in your video driver for features such as "maintain a fixed aspect ratio".

I have no idea about which desktop cards do better at non-native. However, most notebook users agree that nVidia does better than ATI. This is not what you would like to hear for your desktop, but it is yet another aspect to burden your notebook options!

As for MonitorsDirect's BestView, I guess it just provides another interface for Windows options. Maybe it does more, but if you wish to try it, check your current settings first, since it may not be easy to revert to them afterwards.

Let me add that on my C840's UltraSharp UXGA with Windows setting of 120 DPI, everything looks just fine, including fonts, icons, IE on most sites, etc. Hence I have never felt the need for exploring other settings. I just hope it will be the same with my newly-ordered M60's WUXGA, since it sports nVidia Quadro Go1000 (similar to GeForce FX Go5700).
post #66 of 78
Thread Starter 
The wierd thing running 1280X1024, is that a HUGE number of web pages seem totally shoved off to the left. Is this normal?? Were they written to be optimized for a lower resolution???
Andrew
Austin, TX
post #67 of 78
Thread Starter 
Update, damn....
I did an exhaustive comparison of resolutions at Circuit City, CompUSA, and Best Buy (yes, I buy stuff at all of those places, just not a notebook!!)
and I have come to the final decision that, with my eyes at this time, even with glasses, I prefer XGA for the normal day-to-day stuff that I will be doing. I realize that viewing my 5MP pictures won't be as ideal, but that is just fine.

I never realized how much smaller even WXGA appears with the same font sizes selected, but thanks to Tommi's site, and opening my eyes, I now do!!

So, I now throw all three of my final choices out the window!!!

Also, I won't need to check whether nVidia runs better non-native, because I will be running native at 1024X768 (what a concept, somebody give me a prize!!!)

That's the good news!!
The bad news is that, other than the HP nc6000 or HP nc8000, I don't know of any system I would be interested in that has an XGA 14.1" or 15" screen, a good video card (ATI preferred, but any one is OK) that is of extremely high build quality, and is a quality unit overall. Don't want an ACER even if one existed that met my specs.

Please advise, and please post systems that I can or should consider!

Thanks,
Andrew
Austin, TX
post #68 of 78
the earths polar ice caps would have melted and dolphins evolved into land mamals before aamsel decided on a notebook!

post #69 of 78
Thread Starter 
Any suggestions, other than psychotherapy, as always,
more than welcome!!
Andrew
Austin, TX
post #70 of 78
you'd think that the advancements in LCD (the larger resolutions) would cater to everyone, but this is a downside to a small segment of people who do not like the small font/pics/words/etc

while it would be nice if the lcd would just turn down the resolution to run at a smaller setting (visually larger) lcd naitive resolution causes this procedure to look fuzzy if it is not in its naitive resolution...

however, ive found that if you go into your display settings u can increase the DPI and enlarge font/text so that it IS readable against a large resolution
default dpi is 96, but u can increase it to 120 and things become large
post #71 of 78
Thread Starter 
Yes, I am well aware of this, but the problem I have had is that there are programs which are still unaffected by this DPI increase. One of them is IE. With IE, you can specify the text size, and under "Tools/Internet Options/Accessibilty" you can tell it to "ignore font sizes specified on web pages". This helps just a little bit, since many web pages appear screwed up, or shoved off to the left side of the screen, because webpage-designers "optimize" their webpages for certain resolutions. The only solution to this is to find an acceptable browser other than IE, which I have not found yet. If I were running Linux, this would not be a problem, and since a huge amount of what I do with a system or notebook involves surfing, it just won't work out right now. Also, 3rd party utilities that increase tool-bar sizes or "zoom" are just more trouble than they are worth. I think it is far better to get a system that matches the resolution that you are happy with for the majority of what you do. I agree, I wish I could have something high-res for when I want to view or edit photos, but since this is a rare thing for me to do, it can just be blown off. I can see photos ok at XGA resolution.
Thanks for all your help and suggestions,
What I really need now is notebook recommendations that meet my specs:
1.) XGA 15" or 15.1 (not 15.4")
2.) Good video card, be it ATI or nVidia (ATI preferred.)
3.) Pentium M Dothan, highest possible quality build and overall look and feel.
4.) Something other than the HP nc6000 and HP nc8000 that I am already aware of.
Thanks!
Andrew
Austin, TX


Quote:
Originally Posted by rincewind
you'd think that the advancements in LCD (the larger resolutions) would cater to everyone, but this is a downside to a small segment of people who do not like the small font/pics/words/etc

while it would be nice if the lcd would just turn down the resolution to run at a smaller setting (visually larger) lcd naitive resolution causes this procedure to look fuzzy if it is not in its naitive resolution...

however, ive found that if you go into your display settings u can increase the DPI and enlarge font/text so that it IS readable against a large resolution
default dpi is 96, but u can increase it to 120 and things become large
post #72 of 78
aamsel,

Just curious if you are aware of this trick:

While viewing a webpage in IE, hold down the control key and give your Mousewheel a spin. Yes, you can dynamically change font sizes in IE on the fly.

Firefox also supports this.
post #73 of 78
Thread Starter 
THIS IS TOTALLY AWESOME!!!

It also works in all Microsoft Office applications. I am now curious to try out Firefox to see if it is superior (which I have now heard from many people.)
Well, this MAY change everything!!

I am now running my Samsung 191T at native 1280X1024. I am so far able to use the standard 96 DPI with normal sized icons!!!
In IE, I set the "Tools/Internet Options/Accessibility" to "Ignore Font Sizes Specified on Web Pages" and am using the trick you just showed me.

For the most part, it works just fine!! ( for example, the reply box that I am typing in here to post this message has small text, and I can not increase the size)

So, now back to what screen to get on a notebook? I am now thinking that I could definately do XGA, WXGA, but I am not sure about SXGA+ (1400X1050)???

What do you all think?? (about my using SXGA+ on a 15" if I am OK at 1280X1024 on a 19"???)

I am off to compare screen densities on Tommi's page, and hope to hear personally from him and many of you. There is light at the end of the tunnel!!

Thank you!!!
Andrew
Austin, TX

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinner6
aamsel,
Just curious if you are aware of this trick:
While viewing a webpage in IE, hold down the control key and give your Mousewheel a spin. Yes, you can dynamically change font sizes in IE on the fly.
Firefox also supports this.
post #74 of 78
Glad this helped you.

IMO, this feature works even better in the aforementioned Firefox. For example, the text in the reply box gets resized too.

I'll leave it at that, so your thread can remain "on topic".

I have been following this thread with interest as well, and a lot of good information has been presented. My opinion is beginning to lean toward the Mitac 8050 for a few reasons.

1. It has no know "issues" that I am aware of, unless you consider it's design features "issues" . The screen works, the keyboard works, it doesn't make tons of noise or heat, it has acceptable battery performance and isn't too heavy.

2. The resolition of the 15.4' widescreens seems ideal, because if you did have to run a program at 1024x768 "without resizing" you would stil be able to use the full vertical height of the screen (well minus 32 pixels), whereas on a SXGA+ type screen this resolution would appear as a very small box in the middle of your screen.

3. Cost, better features than the ASUS for lower price.

I admit that the ASUS is quite a nice looking unit and frankly I would be very interested if they were to ever offer a unit with 128 Mb of video ram.

Question: Does anyone care to comment on the quality of the VGA output of the Mitac 8050?
post #75 of 78
Thread Starter 
OK, first off:
1.) Is 128MB of video RAM fully utilized by a 15.4" WXGA screen?? Does that screen have enough total pixels to warrant more than 64MB??
2.) As for "better features", the ASUS has one more USB-2 port than the Mitac, and it has a multiple card reader (reads SD, etc.) where the Mitac only has a Smartmedia reader. There is few cameras, etc. that use Smartmedia.
3.) I am going to go out on a limb and say that I think you have a better company behind you with ASUS. I am not saying Mitac is bad, or that they won't be in business, but compare their websites, and get an idea of who you are dealing with. I posted last week about years ago, when I used to buy 386, 486, etc. PC's from no-name motherboard companies with West Coast distributors. When I had a problem with one of them, it was easier to toss the motherboard and buy another one. This is a much bigger ticket item, so care should be given to know who is behind the product. Do you know anything more about Mitac than I do?? Please let me know.
4.) (this doesn't apply to you if you are down to just the ASUS or the Mitac), but:
I don't really want to reopen a can of worms, but I really fail to see the value in a widescreen (maybe there is more to them that I don't know).
To me, the only value I can confirm for a widescreen LCD is:
a.) a better format screen for DVD playback
b.) maybe open multiple small windows instead of having them minimized, but this would be much more viable on a widescreen 17" than on a widescreen 15.4" I think.
c.) more room for icons on the taskbar
Other than that, I can definately confirm that the same fonts are substantially smaller on a 15.4" WXGA than on a 15" XGA. I set otherwise identical systems running Wordpad to Tahoma 12 point font, and the text is a good bit larger on the 15" XGA.
Of course, if you are comparing 15.4" WXGA to 15" SXGA+, this would not matter to me, because the SXGA+ is just way too small for me, even with zoom tools. The closest screen in pixels-per-inch to the 19" 1280X1024 (86 pixels-per inch) I have now is the 15" XGA (85 ppi), then the 14.1" XGA (91 ppi), then the 15.4" WXGA (98 ppi). The SXGA+ is way higher in pixels-per-inch (117 ppi).
Right now I don't know that my "final 3" choices are still among my choices.
Well, now I have replied to a couple of your thoughts and added some of my own.
Andrew
Austin, TX
post #76 of 78
aamsel,

I have been looking forever for a SXGA laptop. I found the Sager 8890, with a 16" SXGA screen, and it was perfect. Unfortunately, the screen itself had banding problems and I had to send it back.

So I bought the nc8000 which was exactly what I was looking for, that is to say a 3-spindle design, a known brand in case I have problems and a high-quality build.

Now, on to the screen. I currently own a 15" XGA that it extremely comfortable to read, because fonts are so large on it. So I hesitated between the XGA and the SXGA+. I finally took the SXGA+, because it is a better screen by itself (wide angles, more contrast), and also because I believe that XGA is a little outdated especially since future systems and more and more products are adapting to bigger resolutions.

I'm still not sure I made the good choice, since I didn't receive the nc8000. I'll be sure to let you know what I think about it once I get it.

It's going to be a hard choice, but do not forget that you need to adapt to a bigger resolution. Everything will look small at the very beginning, but once you get used to it, you'll find a lower resolution to be crude-looking.

On the other side, if you don't want to try SXGA+, your only choice will be the nc6000/nc8000.
post #77 of 78
Aamsel,

To respond to your points:

1. I think you are correct that the stock screen will only use 64Mb of video RAM, but I do intend to utilize my laptop with an additional monitor hooked up from time to time and in those cases that extra VRAM will be handy.

2. True "better features" is a subjective thing. I was talking about vidcard and VRAM, hard drive speed (the asus doesent seem to have the 7200 rpm dirve anywhere I have looked though I am certain one could be installed). The ASUS may have "better" features depending on the user. Call it a toss up here.

3. I feel that a reliable vendor to act as middleman and warranty executor brings this factor down to a level of "acceptable risk", though there is no denyiing ASUS is the "first tier" player here.

4. Widescreen. Seems to be less finicky with regard to viewing angles, and for me (as an audio engineer) would work well. The apps I use for this all involve tracks of audio layed out in a horizontal fashion, so this is a benefit for me.

I guess if nothing else this shows that there is no right answer here. You just need to know exactly what your requirements are and know exactly what you are willing to spend. Between your "finalists" I think whatever unit you end up with will be a fine one.

Best of luck!
post #78 of 78
Thread Starter 
If I do decide to go SXGA+, and I want a higher-end system, I will have a tough time choosing between the IBM T42 15" with Flexview and an HP nc8000. The HP was not even one of my final picks (at first). Yes, I know the HP has an additional spindle, and yes, I know the IBM does not have Firewire.
Andrew
Austin, TX

Quote:
Originally Posted by MagicRobin
aamsel,

I have been looking forever for a SXGA laptop. I found the Sager 8890, with a 16" SXGA screen, and it was perfect. Unfortunately, the screen itself had banding problems and I had to send it back.

So I bought the nc8000 which was exactly what I was looking for, that is to say a 3-spindle design, a known brand in case I have problems and a high-quality build.

Now, on to the screen. I currently own a 15" XGA that it extremely comfortable to read, because fonts are so large on it. So I hesitated between the XGA and the SXGA+. I finally took the SXGA+, because it is a better screen by itself (wide angles, more contrast), and also because I believe that XGA is a little outdated especially since future systems and more and more products are adapting to bigger resolutions.

I'm still not sure I made the good choice, since I didn't receive the nc8000. I'll be sure to let you know what I think about it once I get it.

It's going to be a hard choice, but do not forget that you need to adapt to a bigger resolution. Everything will look small at the very beginning, but once you get used to it, you'll find a lower resolution to be crude-looking.

On the other side, if you don't want to try SXGA+, your only choice will be the nc6000/nc8000.
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