A PC with the sleakness of apple... - Page 3

Anybody seen that Mac Gamer video... ?

that one guy's rant talks about the games he can play on his mac, if that's what you mean. hilarious stuff

You guys really need to get a clue. People don't buy Macs to play games. They buy them to get their work done. I've used a 12 inch iBook and I would never switch if I had the choice, unfortunately I don't. And for those of you that say the Mac is so user-friendly to the new computer: you're right, but you're missing the other things. Mac OS X is a very powerful OS, because it is based off of UNIX/FreeBSD. And Apple manages to get OS X running well on any system. I've got an old blue and white 400mhz g3 running the latest OS X and it flies. Look at universities' computer science and art and science departments. They're all gonna have tons of Macs. I'm working at UT Health and Science Center in Memphis. I find it very difficult to find a PC around here. However, I can barely take a step without tripping over a million macs. also, apple is known for their great battery life. my boss has an iBook G4, runs for atleast 6 hours under regular usage. PowerBooks, their top-of-the-line notebooks, still get great battery life, when you compare them to PC desktop replacements. In addition, you'd be hard pressed to find a PC desktop replacement notebook that is anywhere as thin as a PowerBook. Just my 2 cents though.

Chill out man, nobody is saying that Mac's suck. I agree with all of your points, but they're irrelevant to the points we were trying to make. The bottom line is, Macs are bad for gaming, but great for work. Most end-users would prefer something that would do both.

actually, no. nick, i would buy a mac if my work consisted of websurfing, word processing, a litte shake / final cut, itunes, and... playing minesweeper?

unfortunately people need pcs for, well, everything else. if you think i have a pc because i can play lots of fun games on it, think harder.

pretty pretty powerbook, o let me serenade thee...

And what exactly is "everything else".....you seem totally oblivious to the fact that Macs are capable of running a variety of programs

http://www.mac-sucks.com/

The truth.

http://www.redvsblue.com/appleswitch.shtml

Ah... the mac gamer...

Oh and to the guy that said that people dont buy macs to game... well that is another place where the mac suffers. Why should I be forced to buy two machines, one to do "work" (all of which can be done on a PC by the way), and a PC to play my games? Why not just get one that can do both (PC... ).

Well I know some audio professionals and they use Macs. And trying out myself... yes if your job is music the mac is a lot more stable than a pc.. which on the other hand is more a software than hardware issue.
BeOS had much better audio latency values than any Mac System, but well the suffered and went under and there are no professional applications for BeOS.
And yes all people I know who have an apple also have a pc.
Seeing that I do not have the money nor the wish of having to systems I choose the system that can do both and hope for an OS that finally beats the Mac in all aspects.

why don't you just install linux? Mac is based on it, and it has the same lack of software....just not great for video and audio editing of course.

Being based on Unix doesn't mean it's a Unix subsitute. Also BeOS was based on Unix, but with both OS' you don't need to log on as root all the time or have the same User management.
Sorry but I do not like Linux as a consumer OS. Open Source is a nice thing but you obviously see and feel that nothing really fits together. Installing and removing programs is a pain sometimes. And when I installed enough programs to listen to music, watch videos and DVDs, write documents I had my Linux system crash a lot more often than my windows system.
I am really hoping a better alternative will show up someday.

well as a consumer OS, of course linux is inferior. But for servers and stability and real work, it's ideal.

Here's how I install applications in OS X: I drag it to the applications folder.........................................................WOW IT WORKS. Simplest instllation in the world. I didn't have to even run an installer. Wanna guess how I uninstall it?

Have you even used OS X?

Oh yeah, BTW, my machine has NEVER crashed. I'm dead serious....NEVER EVER EVER.

that was fairly entertaining.....

any more?

This is getting ugly fast lol.

I'm going to call bull****. I've Mac admin'ed a good bit in my day, including migrating from MacOS9 to OSX.

That's true for SOME programs. However, I've had to install a LOT of programs the same way I did on Windows. And if you just delete programs, you still have a lot of junk in the systems extensions folder. It clogs up just like Windows registry.

Nevermind programs that I had to reinstall when NetRestore couldn't image it properly.

Even when I was logged in as a power user, I STILL had to put the password in when I updated the system. It was slow too. No slower than Windows update, but it certainly wasn't faster.
Macs crash a good bit too. Only real difference is that when a Mac puked, it threw its guts up and I usually had to start from scratch to fix it.

This is gonna get ugly folks - we've all been here before stuck between true believers...

So let's just all admit to the following:

1. ALL COMPUTERS CRASH. PC AND MAC. PERIOD. If yours hasn't yet, good for you, but it will. Hope all your stuff is backed up.

2. ALL OS MANUFACTURERS ARE INTERESTED IN THE BOTTOM LINE. Don't believe me? The Ipod sold more than the Mac last year. Made more $$$$, too. How many Mac commercials do you see vs. Ipod? Same with Microsoft. Xbox commercials vs. Windows. Sure, they're losing $$$$ on the hardware, but in name recognition among younger users, what they've accomplished is priceless. Microsoft = great gaming.

3. AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S ALL PERSONAL TASTE. You like Windows? Cool. You like Linux? Cool. You like BeOS? Cool. You like Macintosh? Cool. Doesn't really make a difference what others think, as long as you like it.


And just for a little reference, I'm writing this on a WinXP box next to my Avid, OSX. They both work great.

Mark "Stingray" Santora

good job mark.

@nickmv: You obviously got me seriously wrong with my post. I was talking about Linux being not suited as a consumer OS. The whole issue concerning installation hazards was totally referred to Linux alone. And pointed out that even if Mac OS X and BeOS have a UNIX core that they cannot be compared with UNIX subsitutes (like Linux).

From my personal experience (and yes it's OS 9 and not OS X, did I say OS X before?? Sorry!! ) the mac performs well. And imo installing programs in Win XP or on a Mac OS is not big deal compared what you are confronted with when working with Linux.

Linux is a great OS, but not in the consumer region. Yes if you want to set up a server, or do home Internet Routing... GO LINUX... but playing games, doing audio or graphics, I didn't like it.

I admit I never worked much with the Mac. In two music studios of friends of mine they had Macs running with Pro Tools and Logic Audio. And it runs on the Mac much better than on a PC. So in that case I can clearly say if you are into music production you will be better of with a Mac.

Btw. I already managed to crash Macs...

mmm.. that may be the reason for some people.. i think more and more it's cuz osx is a consumer friendly os with unix at the core..

you can run photoshop, word, all the major apps.. ang get gritty with the terminal and unix apps.

you're right, os x is better then straight unix/linux for a desktop. not there for a server yet tho. macs crash, i crash mine too, but i think that's due to the relative youth of the is at this point.

I use a powerbook as a primary machine, pc running windows for gaming, server running linux for testing stuff, win2k3 AS for testing, and an efg80 with 2 120 gig drives for an always on file server.