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post #41 of 1493
6/12/04 at 11:33am
kk then. still too expensive for me, though.
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post #42 of 1493
6/12/04 at 2:30pm
i want it.

how does performance stack up between USB vs. Firewire vs. IDE hard drives? If I am doing a lot of video stuff and want to use an external 7200rpm drive with this machine, is it going to perform as well being on the USB or Firewire bus?
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post #43 of 1493
6/16/04 at 10:34pm
Any new info on the release date, or specs? I'm really interested in this notebook!
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post #44 of 1493
6/17/04 at 12:23am
me too! we just have to wait. someone should get a japanese model and tell us all about it.
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post #45 of 1493
6/17/04 at 12:50am
Well everything sounds perfect in it for me so far

- Light
- Looks Great
- Good Battery Life
- Fast
- Hopefully they give us the option of the ATI 9700, and if so I'm sold.
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post #46 of 1493
6/17/04 at 1:39am
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Originally Posted by bloke


That's lifted straight from my post in the big Vaio thread last month. I also posted it on their forums and Andrew used it in his article a few days later.

That price has subsequently been debunked. That Japanese price includes some overpriced bundled software. I've been able to price a Japanese model with a Banias 1.5GHz and a 9700 for under $2,000. For a decently speced model it won't be cheap, but it will be pretty reasonable considering the size of the machine and the screen. Of course, you'll also pay a bit of a premium for the Sony name brand.

We'll see how the US options price out on SonyStyle, but as usual, it may be best to order it with the cheapest options (except for the 9700), then upgrade yourself.
i never read that thread, heh. if you google "sony vaio s" the notebookreview.com thing is the first thing to come up, that's where i got it from.

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.aspx?newsID=1863

i still have my doubts you'll be able to get a dothan vaio s with a decent HD / ram for less than $2500, even with the expensive software disincluded. yeah i guess you could pay $2000 for a system and then spend uhh... another $500-700 to get the necessary component upgrades to make it a top-of-the-line system, but imo thats kind of overkill when there are so many comparable m11 systems out there for Much Cheaper
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post #47 of 1493
6/17/04 at 3:09am
It's just funny to read something from my old forum post quoted a month later.

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Originally Posted by Aikeo
imo thats kind of overkill when there are so many comparable m11 systems out there for Much Cheaper
...except that there's absolutely nothing in the S size/weight class and most (or all?) of the other m11 systems have mediocre screens. Those systems you're talking about are one size class up from the Sony. All the other decent machines in a comparable size have integrated graphics, except for a very few that have an older Radeon chip.

The S is for people like me, who want the power of one of those 15" M11 machines in an ultraportable package. It's not quite ultraportable yet, but it's getting close. If you look at the prices in the ultraportable market, there's always a premium for very light, compact machines. Just look at the prices for the TR series or the Fujitsu S and P lines. The Sony S is really the first of it's kind defining a new class (performance ultraportable).

I hope the S will drive other companies to come out with something that can actually come close to the package Sony is offering (high performance GPU/CPU in a near or sub-4lb package with a high-quality, wide viewing angle screen). It would be great to see something like a Fujitsu S7010 or S6210 or an Asus M5N machine with an M11.
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post #48 of 1493
6/17/04 at 3:26am
Actually bloke I'd say those 15" machines are 2 size classes up as I consider the 600m and it's competitors another order smaller than the 15" machines. This jsut makes the S class THAT more appealing. At 2 grand it's a great deal...relatively speaking of course.
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post #49 of 1493
6/18/04 at 8:08pm
After a little bit of research I'm guessing that they will have the ATI Radeon 9700 as if you look at that Spec sheet in the top right corner it has the normal model number then another one with P at the end and going with the European and Japanese trend it follows the same method (Also if you look below on the spec sheet it says for the model without the P at the end).
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post #50 of 1493
6/20/04 at 3:57am
I just came across this interview with the S designers. (translation)

It mentions that the CPU and GPU both have individual heat sensors integrated into the heatpipe design and they designed a new software monitor for fine performance/temperature control.

Unfortunately, I think they're also saying the hard drive is difficult to remove and upgrade.

A few pics showing the INSIDE of the S:

http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2...16/ubiq393.jpg
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2...16/ubiq397.jpg
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2...16/ubiq399.jpg
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2...16/ubiq400.jpg
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post #51 of 1493
6/20/04 at 4:39am
For you Japanese students out there: here's the Japanese VGN-S manual.

I also found some early informal benches on a message board

http://hobby5.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/sony/1086508179/

1.8GHz 512MB RADEON9700

FFBENCH2 : L=5450 H=3650 (Final Fantasy XI Bench)
3DMark2001SE : 10203
3DMark03 : 2650

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Another post:

Tested connected to an external display:

>3D Mark 2001 SE : 10147
>3D Mark 03 : 2628

The same machine when tested on the built-in WXGA screen scores lower (below). The poster says that the screen is stretched, which must be the cause of the lower scores. He's not sure if there's a way to fix the test setting to get better results on the wide-screen.

>3D Mark 2001 SE : 6703
>3D Mark 03 : 2396
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post #52 of 1493
6/20/04 at 12:59pm
Oh good find!
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post #53 of 1493
6/20/04 at 2:17pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bloke
Excellent find on the designers' comments on the hard drive. Now, I'm feverishly trying to find any comments on the CPU. I want to know if it is soldered to the motherboard. Having the info will determine which CPU I will buy and hopefully it will upgradeable.

and Hello back to you darrow.
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post #54 of 1493
6/20/04 at 6:44pm
yes, it would really suck if the cpu were soldered on. but with the boneheaded mistakes that sony has made before, i wouldn't bet against them doing that, or charging more than any of us could afford so that they wouldn't.
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post #55 of 1493
6/20/04 at 7:44pm
Thread Starter 
I found a site that compairs the VAIO 505 with the new Type S.

Use your fav translator.
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post #56 of 1493
6/21/04 at 1:17am
Someone should call today (Monday) and get an update
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post #57 of 1493
6/21/04 at 3:16am
Hahaha, wow the babel fish translation of that site is absolutely unintelligible, not that i expected anything better but still try it, its hilarious


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post #58 of 1493
6/21/04 at 4:49am
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Originally Posted by Halpern
Someone should call today (Monday) and get an update
I think we should try to hold off until July 1st, then call and demand a pre-order.
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post #59 of 1493
6/21/04 at 12:33pm
Yes. Someone call today and bug those Sony people!
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post #60 of 1493
6/21/04 at 12:58pm
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Originally Posted by bloke
...except that there's absolutely nothing in the S size/weight class and most (or all?) of the other m11 systems have mediocre screens. Those systems you're talking about are one size class up from the Sony. All the other decent machines in a comparable size have integrated graphics, except for a very few that have an older Radeon chip.

The S is for people like me, who want the power of one of those 15" M11 machines in an ultraportable package. It's not quite ultraportable yet, but it's getting close. If you look at the prices in the ultraportable market, there's always a premium for very light, compact machines. Just look at the prices for the TR series or the Fujitsu S and P lines. The Sony S is really the first of it's kind defining a new class (performance ultraportable).

I hope the S will drive other companies to come out with something that can actually come close to the package Sony is offering (high performance GPU/CPU in a near or sub-4lb package with a high-quality, wide viewing angle screen). It would be great to see something like a Fujitsu S7010 or S6210 or an Asus M5N machine with an M11.
no doubt, the new S will be in a class all by itself, and i guess you can't really compare it to systems that weigh 2.5 lbs more and have a bigger footprint. my comment was that for people like me, who aren't really fazed by carrying 2.5 lbs more and a marginally larger footprint, there are systems with same/better specs (128 Mb m11) for much cheaper. A year ago I would have had a totally different opinion, but in light of solid systems like the CL56 which sits at 1.25'' thick in my backpack / laptop bag, I can only shrug at people who need the smaller size.

I had a sharp rivaling the sony's size (4.5 lb, small footprint) for a while-- thinking it would really help when traveling. this it did! i would forget it was there at times. i thought i was really special. then, however, i carried around my friend's "huge" powerbook for a little while (6.9 lbs) and I was hmm... surprised.

anyway, i think you see what i'm getting at. when does small become small enough, and how much do we extra should we pay for it? it's totally understandable that the modern business executive will want the smallest and most powerful system to carry in one hand from the morning shareholder meeting to a working lunch. is this you?

i really stand by my guess, though, that since the new sony will be regarded in a "class all by itself" by the public, sony will be obliged to offer it in a Price Class all by itself.
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