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post #161 of 1272
6/29/04 at 6:06am
i just ordered my Ferrari 3200
should get it in two weeks
cost me about 7988 in malaysia, so its about 2020 USD.. cant wait to see it..
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post #162 of 1272
6/29/04 at 6:24am
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Originally Posted by Ferrari3200
I changed the disks today in "Gwong Hua", near the big computer street. It's XP Home. It took less than a minute to swap the disks. Tonight after I restore I'll post an update. Five more hours of work now.
still home version eh, looks like i'll stick with chinese xp home then

so nornal english xp disc won't work but you need the one from acer in the box in order for everything to work?
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post #163 of 1272
6/29/04 at 10:39am
Dekka, sincerely hope you don't mind me asking. How much was your Acer TM8006lmi? And where did you buy and specify the options (ie. extra RAM, fast 7200RPM HD, etc.) from, if possible? The specs on your sig look well sweet. PM me, if you wish.
Would something like that out-class the Ferrari 3200?
Thanks kindly, m8.
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post #164 of 1272
6/29/04 at 11:18am
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Originally Posted by skyc280
still home version eh, looks like i'll stick with chinese xp home then

so nornal english xp disc won't work but you need the one from acer in the box in order for everything to work?
The XP Pro install went great, but the drivers I d/l for the 3200 from Acer's site didn't.

The restore went great. Everything is just like before, but in english now of course. One added bonus is it kept the partitions I made when I installed XP Pro. I like three 25GB partitions instead of the two 40GB default.

I also turned off all the font smoothing options and the text is perfect now. No more annoying blue highlights. It seems MS will never get it right, so it's best to leave it off.
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post #165 of 1272
6/29/04 at 12:59pm
Kieran,

I am in the UK it was around £1500.00 but there are lots of retailers with it such as www.neutronexpress.com etc.

You cannot specify options on Acer machines you just have to get your own upgrades and do them yourself (Easy).

The 2.0ghz dothan does indeed outperform the ferrari 3200 processor and there is more battery life but you need to pay the premium.
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post #166 of 1272
6/29/04 at 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by shadowground
i just ordered my Ferrari 3200
should get it in two weeks
cost me about 7988 in malaysia, so its about 2020 USD.. cant wait to see it..
Where abouts in Malaysia did you get it? Can you PM me details? Thanks.
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post #167 of 1272
6/29/04 at 1:38pm
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Originally Posted by Dekka
The 2.0ghz dothan does indeed outperform the ferrari 3200 processor
No, that still remains to be seen as there still aren't enough real world benchmarks of either systems to be absolutely sure.
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post #168 of 1272
6/29/04 at 3:46pm
Snorre,

I am basing my statement on the benchmarks that I get on my 2.0ghz dothan compared to what users have posted with the AMD.

And to backup these I am basing them on the Real life benchmarks such as content creation and also Maya Benchmark and Adobe Filter and Lame Encoding and windows media encoding...

Have a look at http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_cont...othan20&page=3

It clearly shows the best performing in the real world

Is that not enough "Real World" benchmarks - What else do you need to see!!
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post #169 of 1272
6/29/04 at 3:54pm
Thanks Dekka, am in the UK too.

£1500 doesn't seem at all bad! In fact many laptops I've been looking at (at around the 1.7GHz / 735 mark) are often in excess of that (the Sony VGN-A117s, for example, albeit with it having a 17" widescreen).

I take it you purchased the extra RAM and the 7200RPM HD seperately? Was the Radeon 9700 128MB graphics card bundled with the laptop?

Any places to look out for for the laptop itself? Searching via www.Kelkoo.co.uk found several that hovered around the £1600-£1700 price.

BTW, how quiet is it? How often is the fan brought into use?

Thnx m8
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post #170 of 1272
6/29/04 at 4:07pm
www.acernotebooks.co.uk is a good supplier fast 24 hour delivery of the 8006 bit more expensive but worth it. (Interest free credit if u need it there as well).

Buy the HD from www.dabs.com

buy the memory from www.crucial.com/uk.

The laptop is certainly on comparison noise wise with most others however when u get to this sort of speed no laptop runs quiet.

Fan is really depending on workload about once evrey 5-10 mins for 1 min for medium use and constant for gaming (Still not too loud as far as laptop fans go during gaming) - certainly quieter than the Sager's

It is quieter than the 8600 dell - noise is not really a negative with the machine or a positive.

Radeon 128mb 9700 is standard on the 8006lmi.
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post #171 of 1272
6/29/04 at 5:21pm
Dekka: The GamePC review is by far not thorough enough, and to make absolutely sure which CPU is the best performing we need to see several real world benchmark for every possible use:
- Memory benchmarks
- Scientific benchmarks
- Office benchmarks
- 3D rendering benchmarks
- Image editing benchmarks
- Video editing benchmarks
- Audio/Video encoding benchmarks
- Encryption/compression benchmarks
- Game benchmarks
- etc.

The test suite also have to contain a wide variety of benchmarks in each category, preferably using both non-commercial and commercial real world software and as few pure synthetic benchmark applications as possible. If you still don't get my point I suggest that you check out these awesome review sites and maybe you can learn how proper benchmarking is done for a change:

http://www.aceshardware.com/read.jsp?id=65000304
http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=2091
http://techreport.com/reviews/2004q2...0/index.x?pg=1
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post #172 of 1272
6/29/04 at 5:53pm
The AMD64 can not really show his power until the 64-bit software and OS are released. These benchmarks we have know show online the scores in 32-bit programs etc. , you can't have a good comparison until it's tested with 64-bit software, drivers and OS installed. The AMD64 will beat the Dothan for sure when it shows it full power.
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post #173 of 1272
6/29/04 at 6:08pm
yea a year and a half if not more....from now ...by that time their will be better processors....better memory...better video cards....better laptops in general...and im sure intel will have a 64 bit mobile out...im certainly not an intel fanboi or anything but im tired of people saying "just wait till the 64 bit apps come out"...exactly just wait...by that time something bette will be out from both companies....imho and from most of the benches i have seen (and yes more need ot be done) the 2.0 dothan is the better processor....and yes....it is with 32 bit apps....because unless u are running linux their are no 64 bit apps. U want the best "real world" lappy for todays "real world" progs....dothan 2.0 is the way to go

if u wanna wait...and wait....and wait....so that at some point in time u can use ur outdated 64 bit processor then be my guest....like i said this is all just my opnion
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post #174 of 1272
6/29/04 at 6:19pm
But the 64 bit operating system may be coming out sooner than you think. I like the ferrari default stock gpu speed. Its higher than the compal's 56. The mayhem g3 may be a contender for this notebook though. There isn't much information on it yet since it is new.
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post #175 of 1272
6/29/04 at 9:49pm

64bit benchmarks

I'm curious to know if anyone installed the Beta 64bit XP with 64bit VIA and 64bit ATI drivers. I've read someplace that the 64bit ATI drivers suck performance wise if you don't have the chipset drivers installed as well. So now that they are out, I wonder what the benchmarks would turn out to be.

BTW, I just ordered my F3200 the other night. But according to PC Connection.com, they're on backorder and could take 14 days for them to get more in stock.

I suppose if this trend continues Acer would be inclined to raise the price on the unit. Supply/Damand kinda thing. This looks like an awsome laptop and the hardware offers the best bang for the buck. I'm really suprised it's just under 2K in the USA. This is a price that is just too good to be true. I hope I didn't just buy a POS
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post #176 of 1272
6/30/04 at 5:23am
Snorre,

Ok I give up. The figures are there in black and white. Stay in your fantasy world.

You mention a whole list of benchmarks you would like to see run - I suggest you reread the Graphs in the gamepc review and you will see that they have run most of the comparisons you stated in your post you want to see!!!!!

Secondly, If you look at my signature you will also see the 3d benchmarking programs results i get.

Thirdly, I have also ran sis for cpu benchmarking and posted the results in these forums.

I agree 64 bit will kick ass but as stated by another poster above - ALL current evidence points to the dothan being the better processor.

Keep hanging on until you find a benchmark that you are happy with the result of - because it looks like to me you know which is the better processor and you are just waiting to find a single benchmark that gives a faint flicker of hope on the 64.

Where as the evidence clearly shows the winning chip.........

Bring on those extra benchmarks you want ran by a site you wish to see run them - i cannot see how the results will change.

Bottom line is this - they are both fantastic processors and they both have their own merits however all i am stating is that the dothan is shown to be the better performing of the two.
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post #177 of 1272
6/30/04 at 7:02am
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Originally Posted by Dekka
Ok I give up. The figures are there in black and white. Stay in your fantasy world.

You mention a whole list of benchmarks you would like to see run - I suggest you reread the Graphs in the gamepc review and you will see that they have run most of the comparisons you stated in your post you want to see!!!!!
No, you obviously don't have a clue about what proper benchmarking really means. Did you look at the reviews I linked to at all? And did you notice the difference in thoroughness when compared to the GamePC review? The latter consisted of only 6 benchmarks (compared to over 20 in the other reviews!), and even though it MAY give some indication about the performance it's not the whole truth BY FAR.

I'm not saying that the GamePC review is bad, its just not thorough enough in my opinion. By that I mean I'd like to see several benchmarks for every possible usage, like the benchmark sites I linked to did. Hopefully one of these sites will do proper benchmarking of the Dothan too sometime soon
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Originally Posted by Dekka
Secondly, If you look at my signature you will also see the 3d benchmarking programs results i get.

Thirdly, I have also ran sis for cpu benchmarking and posted the results in these forums.
Get real, man! These benchmarks are perhaps the worst possible indicators for real world performance. They mean nothing, and if you base your whole view on this you're just kidding yourself!

All I'm saying is that we haven't seen enough PROPER benchmarks, especially of the Dothan, to draw any clear conclusion yet. The truth is still out there...
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post #178 of 1272
6/30/04 at 10:14am
Ok I am not going to argue the case anymore it is clear cut to me.

FINALLY

One thing that will get everyones back up on the forum is your constant SPAMMING of all the forums with that benchmark program of yours.

One post is enough....you dont need to keep spamming everywhere
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post #179 of 1272
6/30/04 at 10:54am
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Originally Posted by Dekka
Ok I am not going to argue the case anymore it is clear cut to me.
Figures, but it is still not clear cut to everyone else

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Originally Posted by Dekka
One thing that will get everyones back up on the forum is your constant SPAMMING of all the forums with that benchmark program of yours.
So I finally got your attention? I'm very curious what Raymark score you get in RealStorm Benchmark 2004 (see my sig for details) on that Dothan 2.0GHz system of yours, so what about it?
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post #180 of 1272
6/30/04 at 11:18am
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these awesome review sites and maybe you can learn how proper benchmarking is done for a change:
http://www.aceshardware.com/read.jsp?id=65000304
http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=2091
http://techreport.com/reviews/2004q...00/index.x?pg=1
Once these start using it i will run it
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