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post #201 of 1272
6/30/04 at 5:41pm
Adam or Luke,

Please Please put us out of our misrey close that idiots account

What is the point in running that benchmark snorre? - If I run a benchmark that favours a AMD processor of course my score is going to be lower.

Like if you were to run one that favours an Intel you would score less.

Pointless....D.O. Y.O.U. U.N.D.E.R.S.T.A.N.D - I cant spell it out any clearer than that.

That is why no credible sites use your benchmark program - earlier you were going on about respectable review sites why dont you email the ones you listed to me earlier and ask them to use that benchmark and then post their reply here!
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post #202 of 1272
6/30/04 at 5:42pm
No one was bragging about any scores

They are in my sig to display my system

If you took that as bragging I believe you have some sort of inferiority complex


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just to get off topic, but do you even have a laptop? are you even looking to buy a laptop?
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post #203 of 1272
6/30/04 at 5:43pm
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Originally Posted by rincewind
my 1.7 banias...er i mean athlonxp2100 rated cpu (accordingto realstorm) beats your dothan dekka... where are your realstorm benchmarks???? huhuhuhuh!?!!?
Yeah, I'm still waiting for your Raymark score so where is it? dekka chickened out like you did. It seems pretty obvious to me that you tried to hide the truth from me, shame on you!
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post #204 of 1272
6/30/04 at 5:46pm
I guess we will see more of these posts that serve no real purpose other than to feed ur ego and to rouse other members

since obviously you just learned how to quote what other people said on notebookforums!
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post #205 of 1272
6/30/04 at 5:50pm
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Originally Posted by DigiShaman
I'm sorry to chime in. But benchmarks are only as good as the person that reads them...and the amount of data that they provide. To be honest, synthetic benchmarks are great for compairing two processors against eachother or component X vs Y vz Z. That said however, benchmarks may not tell you the whole story about the realworld performance of the PC.
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So benchmarks are really good to look at scientifically, but ONLY if your looking for the right data they provide.
Good point and I agree with you 100%. I never argueed that RealStorm did give the whole truth about real world performance on a system, I only argueed that the basis for rincewind's & dekka's claims about the superiority of their Pentium-M systems over the Acer Ferrari 3200 is not based on facts but on a few questionable benchmarks.
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post #206 of 1272
6/30/04 at 5:50pm
Sorry to join in on the quote thing at the mo:

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just to get off topic, but do you even have a laptop? are you even looking to buy a laptop?
Rumour has it he has bought a Dothan.

I have never known anyone to question the authenticity of Sissandra for benchmarking.
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post #207 of 1272
6/30/04 at 5:52pm
Snorre, I think your friends and/or family need to stage some kind of intervention, this is getting way out of hand. We're seriously starting to enter tinfoil hat territory here.


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My point was that you base your view on a few Intel friendly benchmarks, while you completely ignore the benchmarks that dosen't fit your imagination.
How, exactly, is this different from your denying any sort of legitimacy to the benchmarks that the rest of the non-tin-foil-hat-wearing gaming community regards as valid? Your entire argument, essentially, is that everyone is using benchmarks that always skew towards showing Intel CPU's as superior, when they should really be using benchmarks that skew towards AMD processors.

If all benchmarks skew towards one CPU or the other, what's the point of any of them? Just play games, I say.
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post #208 of 1272
6/30/04 at 5:53pm
What is the point in running that benchmark snorre? - If I run a benchmark that favours a AMD processor of course my score is going to be lower.

Like if you were to run one that favours an Intel you would score less.

Pointless....D.O. Y.O.U. U.N.D.E.R.S.T.A.N.D - I cant spell it out any clearer than that.

That is why no credible sites use your benchmark program - earlier you were going on about respectable review sites why dont you email the ones you listed to me earlier and ask them to use that benchmark and then post their reply here! --dekka



and to ad to that, kirbi is ANOTHER 3d synthetic tests that stresses solely the CPU and not GPU. Just like what Realstorm Raytrace does... and it favors intel. Pigs would fly when I'd base either of those benchmarks as credible. theyre both just silly things to go by.

If you think the benchmarks in our sig are bogus, why do all hardware sites have them in some form or another? Why do all the members here test their system with it? its an INDUSTRY standard. alienware / voodooo / hypersonic tests their systems with these benchmarks... are you to challenge the norm now?

Loook at the forum members here and what they use to test their system with

http://notebookforums.com/showthread...6306#post66306

adam of pctorque uses all the ones in my sig...along with real gaming benchmarks (which i also listed in my compal cl56 review). If these accepted benchmarks are skewed to favor intel (which they dont) why does everybody use them (coz their accepted as a fair benchmark)
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post #209 of 1272
6/30/04 at 5:53pm
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Originally Posted by DigiShaman
BTW, how upgradable is this laptop? Do all mobile athlon 64 CPUs support the NX function that will work when XP SP2 is available?
Yes, all AMD64 processors support the NX function (Data Execution Prevention) in the WinXP SP2.
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post #210 of 1272
6/30/04 at 5:59pm
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Originally Posted by snorre
I only argueed that the basis for rincewind's & dekka's claims about the superiority of their Pentium-M systems over the Acer Ferrari 3200 is not based on facts but on a few questionable benchmarks.



How are these questionable? they are real world programs

for all other intensive purposes, i said the amd64 and the p-m are comparable with no clear winner by a long shot. i feel like im repeating myself coz ive said this before TO YOU in another thread. are you just reading the first line of every sentence and hitting the "Post Reply" button?

http://notebookforums.com/showthread...044#post298044
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post #211 of 1272
6/30/04 at 6:10pm
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Originally Posted by snorre
You may continue to cheat for bragging rights, but please stop lying to people about true performance because you have no clue what you're talking about
With your way of thinking I guess adam of pctorque is lying about true performance and his benchmarks are irrelevant by the "snorre standard"



just take a look around you man. voodoo/hypersonic/alienware all use these benchmarks... its an industry standard and thats why they are in my sig. for you to disprove of 3dmark01/3dmark03/aquamark03 from me and dekka is to disprove nearly every other person on this forum who has done a review of their laptop/system along with alienware/voodoo/hypersonic
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post #212 of 1272
6/30/04 at 6:11pm
Nice Highlighting there Rince!

This is my last post in this thread - I think the facts have been published time and time again.

I refuse to continue the topic - I would rather run a AMD favoured Benchmark on my Intel Processor than continue this!

Nobody is basing the machine performance on just Aquamark, 3D Mark and Sissandra.

They perform part of it yes - but the results for Maya, Photoshop, Lame and Windows Media encoder and sciencemark combined with aquamark 3dmark and sissandra - surely give you a feel for the overall rating of a machine in your "Real World" benchmarking that you keep going on about.

Goodnight
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post #213 of 1272
6/30/04 at 6:12pm
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Originally Posted by Dekka
What is the point in running that benchmark snorre? - If I run a benchmark that favours a AMD processor of course my score is going to be lower.

Like if you were to run one that favours an Intel you would score less.

Pointless....D.O. Y.O.U. U.N.D.E.R.S.T.A.N.D - I cant spell it out any clearer than that.
No, because I'm not like you so don't ignore benchmarks that dosen't fit my wishful thinking. I'm only saying that we need to see proper benchmarking of notebooks using a much wider variety of benchmark applications and not only a handful (like you base everything on). Your 3DMark & AquaMark scores are pointless for anybody but you in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Dekka
That is why no credible sites use your benchmark program - earlier you were going on about respectable review sites why dont you email the ones you listed to me earlier and ask them to use that benchmark and then post their reply here!
Not true, both Ace's Hardware and Hexus uses the RealStorm benchmark to name a few:
http://www.aceshardware.com/read.jsp?id=60000261
http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews...JsX3BhZ2U9Ng==

You may probably notice that very few respectable review sites base their conclusion solely on 3DMark, AquaMark, SiSoft Sandra and a couple of games either. I'm very happy that you don't review anything, that would be madness!
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post #214 of 1272
6/30/04 at 6:22pm
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Originally Posted by rincewind
With your way of thinking I guess adam of pctorque is lying about true performance and his benchmarks are irrelevant by the "snorre standard"

just take a look around you man. voodoo/hypersonic/alienware all use these benchmarks... thats why they are in my sig.
Adam stated clearly that it was "just a couple benches" and from this I understand that he didn't try to do a proper benchmark of this system. As I've been trying to point out, we really need to see proper benchmarks of notebook systems including a wider variety of real world benchmarks fitting every possible use.

So what if voodoo/hypersonic/alienware all use these benchmarks? None of them can be regarded as trustworthy independent review sites in my opinion. But I heard that Anandtech will test Dothan this week and THAT might be interesting
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post #215 of 1272
6/30/04 at 6:26pm
"A couple of benches" was in regards to the ferrari3200

that snip and paste up above is from a 5690

why dont you take a look at all the other reviews hes done of sager and acer systems? they use THOSE same exact benchmarks up there.
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post #216 of 1272
6/30/04 at 6:28pm
I will state the obvious in case anyone missed it. Both AMD and Intel chips physically have different wafer layouts in the die. So you have two physically different chips that are designed to basically do the same thing. So it doesn't suprise me at all that one application will work better on one chip vs the other...and vise versa.

I wouldn't worry too much about it. Currently WinXP is optimized for Intel P4 HT chips. But that will change I'm sure once XP 64 is released.
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post #217 of 1272
6/30/04 at 6:31pm
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Originally Posted by rincewind
why dont you take a look at all the other reviews hes done of sager and acer systems? they use THOSE same exact benchmarks up there.
Ok, then his benchmark method is not thorough enough in my book and should be greatly improved. The lack of a proper notebook benchmark method is a real problem when compared to desktop reviews, and I'm sure Adam can learn a lot by looking at the desktop reviews done by Ace's Hardware, Tech Report & Anandtech to name a few awesome sites
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post #218 of 1272
6/30/04 at 6:42pm
http://notebookforums.com/search.php?searchid=259743

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post #219 of 1272
6/30/04 at 6:48pm
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Originally Posted by Tursten
How, exactly, is this different from your denying any sort of legitimacy to the benchmarks that the rest of the non-tin-foil-hat-wearing gaming community regards as valid? Your entire argument, essentially, is that everyone is using benchmarks that always skew towards showing Intel CPU's as superior, when they should really be using benchmarks that skew towards AMD processors.

If all benchmarks skew towards one CPU or the other, what's the point of any of them? Just play games, I say.
No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm only saying we need to see MORE and a wider variety of real world benchmarks, and only then we'll know for sure the true performance of the different systems in my opinion. Statistically speaking any skewness should disappear if the benchmarking is done both fairly and thoroughly. Do you really think the AquaMark & 3DMark benchmarks are representative for real world game performance?
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post #220 of 1272
6/30/04 at 6:58pm
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Originally Posted by Dekka
I refuse to continue the topic - I would rather run a AMD favoured Benchmark on my Intel Processor than continue this!
It's you that's so reluctant to cooperate and not me, so why this big argument?

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Originally Posted by Dekka
Nobody is basing the machine performance on just Aquamark, 3D Mark and Sissandra.

They perform part of it yes - but the results for Maya, Photoshop, Lame and Windows Media encoder and sciencemark combined with aquamark 3dmark and sissandra - surely give you a feel for the overall rating of a machine in your "Real World" benchmarking that you keep going on about.
They're a good start, but we need WAY more benchmarks to be absolutely sure about the true performance of a system. The GamePC review is the best I've seen so far of a notebook CPU, but it still wasn't thorough enough to make a clear conclusion. Hopefully the upcoming Dothan review done by Anandtech will fill in the blanks
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