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post #221 of 1272
Honestly, my point is that benchmarks don't have any real use other than being a very rough approximation of what a given computer is capable of. I don't see any of them as having more value than establishing a ballpark performance range. If the most common benchmarks are skewed towards Intel, then it's an indication that the software industry in general is skewed in that direction.

Look at the whole Betamax versus VHS debate (wow, I'm showing my age here ). Betamax was clearly the superior technology, almost no one disputed this. However, better marketing won out and an inferior technology became the norm. The fact that Betamax was superior had absolutely nothing to do with what you could pick up at the videostore.

As AMD continues to get a greater and greater market share (as they clearly are), more software will be designed that takes advantage of its strengths. If the 64-bit XP comes out and all of a sudden AMD performance blows Intel out of the water, software designers, especially game designers, will jump right on the 64-bit bandwagon, and AMD by association, if that's the best way to realize the game they're trying to make. Companies will design more software that utilizes the better technology, and as software begins to use different features, benchmarks will be modified to reflect this bias, and the prominent benchmarks will gradually become biased more towards AMD rather than Intel, as they are now.

My point really being, if benchmarks indeed are skewed towards Intel now, it's a sign that software in general is skewed that way, too. If benchmarks show Intel chips performing better when a given set of features are used, those are likely the same features that actual available software uses.

The argument isn't really about benchmark bias, it's about industry bias.
post #222 of 1272
Well, performance really depends on both your CPU and how the program was written/compiled. Interesting fact though. If you used the Intel C++ compiler, AMD chips benifit from it's optimizations as well. So clearly AMD has reversed engineered their chip to perform the 32bit operations. And 64bit benchmarks has yet show up being that everything is still in beta. If the AMD 64 is as good as I've read...then this laptop has a sleeping dragon just waiting to be woken up.

But until then...
post #223 of 1272
can we all agree to ignore any thread in which snorre posts from now on?

most children enjoy arguments because it gets attention... so deprive him of his attention.

besides any half-intelligent human being can read these in the history and decide for him/her self.
post #224 of 1272
For the record: I'm not going to comment on anyones post that would pull me info a flame war. Unless...the comment is directed to me. heh

That said. I'm curious to know more about the F3200. Does it use the same MB that is in the previous version of the Ferrari? It would be intersting to know if the 3200 video card can be swapped out at a later date and/or have the CPU upgraded to the new one that has the 1MB of cache. It would be nice to have the same speed chip but draws less power. If it can be done, I will do it in a heart be and EBay off the stock chip.
post #225 of 1272
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Originally Posted by DigiShaman
And 64bit benchmarks has yet show up being that everything is still in beta.
Not quite.
64bit (not AMD) has been around for a while in UNIX systems. Sparc has been 64bit for some time.
OsNews.com posted a benchmark of 64bit apps on Sparc architecture about 5-7 months ago.

The gist of their benchmark was that 64bit apps DO NOT perform faster than 32bit apps. In fact they are SLOWER. This may seem odd at first, but consider this: 64bit apps are by their very nature larger exectuables than 32bit equivalents. Their ability to address more memory space is the main contributing reason. This also means that every pointer in a 64bit app is 64bits instead of 32bits, thus every function call, and pointer deference is slower because there is twice as much data to copy or use in a look up.

What really helps the AMD64 is not its 64bit nature (although some apps can benefit) it is the extra CPU registers. When people say they want to see 64bit Windows and 64bit apps, what they should actually be saying is they want Windows and apps to be compiled to take full advantage of AMD64s extra registers. If companies compiled current apps in 32bit optimized for the architecture of the AMD64, they would gain most of the benefit the CPU has to offer.
post #226 of 1272
It wouldn't faster from a physical standpoint as you've said. But, because of the 64bit addressing, it can shuttle data around and process more information per clock cycle. So if your doing anything with integer or FP, you obtain resaults of a higher mathmatical resolution (physics modeling of weather and such) much faster then with a 32bit counterpart.
post #227 of 1272
Well, most of the performance gains can actually be explained with the doubling of available registers in the AMD64 processors compared to the 32-bit processors. For more details I recommend this great read:
http://www.devx.com/amd/Article/16101

Regarding 64-bit performance benefits then check this out:
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/V...~87018,00.html

Built for 64-bit computing, Crafty has grown from a simple PC-based computer chess program to one that runs on all known general-purpose platforms. Benchmark testing shows the 64-bit version of Crafty running on the AMD Athlon FX-53 processor outperformed the 32-bit version by almost 47 percent. The 64-bit version also evaluates more nodes per second than the 32-bit engine.

“Crafty is a program built for the 64-bit architecture on an AMD Athlon 64 processor-enabled system. With AMD64 technology, developing Crafty with a unique methodology called ‘rotated bitmaps’ enabled me to significantly improve the performance of the chess engine,” said Robert Hyatt, author of Crafty and associate professor, University of Alabama at Birmingham. “The AMD Athlon 64 FX processor-powered system is the fastest I have seen. I can’t see anybody buying anything else.”

Crafty has won several chess competitions including bi-annual events held by the Internet Chess Club. Most recently, Hyatt used AMD64 technology to compete in and win the Internet Computer Chess Tournament in February.

The Panorama Factory (www.panoramafactory.com), built by Smoky City Design, seamlessly joins separate photos into a single high-quality panoramic picture. As digital photography continues to stretch the limits of 32-bit computing, AMD64 technology enables The Panorama Factory to create larger panoramas with more pictures than what is possible on a 32-bit architecture. The 64-bit version also can complete a full panorama up to 57 percent faster compared to 32-bit versions.

“Applications like The Panorama Factory are typically restricted by 32-bit architectures that limit the amount of virtual memory available. When ported to the AMD64 platform, The Panorama Factory breaks the 32-bit barrier to create images that are almost unlimited in size,” said John Strait, author of The Panorama Factory. “AMD Athlon 64 processors enable our customer base to purchase 64-bit enabled computers to take advantage of high-performance applications that also support their legacy 32-bit software programs.”

Very promising indeed!
post #228 of 1272
According to TomsHardware, the Athlon has five modes of opperations. I wonder how many of them used the native 64bit mode vs 64bit with 32bit compatibility when benchmarking?
post #229 of 1272
Jeeze, people... lighten up! Everyone reporting everyone else, asking for bans, etc. What a way to end a day!

This is not much of a flame-fest (there's plenty worse out there); however, there is a lot of THREAD-JACKING going on here. Let's stick to the 3200's review and take the benchie argument to a new thread.

-myrkat
post #230 of 1272
This was debated in another thread and slowly made its way over here...

http://notebookforums.com/showthread...3&page=2&pp=15

How? I dont know~

*leers at snorre*

http://notebookforums.com/showthread...&page=12&pp=15
post #231 of 1272
Dekka, thanks kindly again for your input.

>>The laptop is certainly on comparison noise wise with most others however when u get to this sort of speed no laptop runs quiet.

That was the main reason I was going for the Centrino over the Athlon64. I understood that Centrinos hardly need to use the fan (*) as it was so efficient and considerably cooler? (* in addition to extra battery life).

Feel free to PM me if you don't wish to reply in this thread.

BTW, does your 8006mli have a L2 cache size of 2MB? I keep noticing on various places that it states it only has 1MB, including the www.acernotebooks.co.uk site.

Thanks
post #232 of 1272
If its a Pentium-M Dothan it has 2MB of L2 cache.

If its the older pentium-m, code named Banias it has 1MB of L2 cache.

Dekka has the newer one
post #233 of 1272
rincewind: Clearly it wasn't me, but your good friend dekka that did the actual THREAD-JACKING trying his best to derail this thread with good help from you and agentsim. Enough is enough already, please stop this trolling of yours!
post #234 of 1272
do everyone a favour and just stop posting

your like the child who if he does not get his way, finds some other way to draw attention to himself so that he is in the spot light again.

no one coordinated an effort to "gang up" on you. if anything you should see that as a sign that some members of notebook forums are tired of what you have to say.

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Originally Posted by Tursten
Snorre, I think your friends and/or family need to stage some kind of intervention, this is getting way out of hand. We're seriously starting to enter tinfoil hat territory here.
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Originally Posted by agentsim
any last shred of credibility snorre had left has just been washed away
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Originally Posted by Tursten
Snorre ... did AMD plant a burning bush outside your bedroom window? I don't mean to be rude, but I just can't understand why anyone would be so emotionally involved with a microprocessor corporation.
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Originally Posted by Dekka
Snorre,

OK I think you need counselling or something - Have you not read the results of the worlds leading benchmarking programs as shown by numerous users posts on these forums and also the reviews!

I cannot believe your arrogance - or should that be ignorance.
and so and and so on. cant you see that your credibility and reputation here is not best shared by other members? It was not a conspiracy for them to all post in this way, they did so on their own accord.
post #235 of 1272
rincewind: You've posted 2,182 messages since you joined little over 3 months ago (21.42 posts per day!) You're the troll in these forums, wake up and smell the coffee please!

I'm sorry to see that these forums have become the hideout for fanatics like you that just keep trolling no matter what other people tells you. Stop this crap and contribute to this thread or stay away from it please (this goes for every other thread you're trolling in too)
post #236 of 1272
haha

ok whatever

how many laptops have you written extensive reviews about?
have you reviewed any laptop products? how about notebook coolers? or bags? or laptop skins? are you familar with laptop utilities? do you even own a notebook? can you honestly give a recommendation to some one else or answer notebook questions on a notebook that you own?

my posts attribute to all of that, along with educating and informing people as objectively as I can. for you to condone that and call it trolling is utterly ridicious because this is a NOTEBOOK FORUM. look at your URL address. it says NOTEBOOKFORUMS.COM. there is even a bright NOTEBOOKS on the upper left hand corner.

what have you contributed other than to fanatically go on about athlon64 and raystorm. how about asking in EVERY single notebook benchmark catagory about realstorm benchmark scores



Please.
post #237 of 1272
I'm sorry to see that these forums have become the hideout for fanatics like you that just keep trolling no matter what other people tells you. Stop this crap and contribute to this thread or stay away from it please (this goes for every other thread you're trolling in too)

I've already made by contribution to this thread. If you noticed my only posts left on it now are in defense to your personal attacks towards me as a member of this forum.

You have no right to tell me where I can or cannot post. The admins do, and looking at your info... your not one.

Although this may be irrelevant, but in my defense again I have over 20 reputation marks from other users whom I've helped and they gave me marks on their own accord. I didnt ask for them. I've also answered over 150 private messages concerning notebooks/notebook related questions. Do I want a cookie for this? no. but definetly dont call it trolling...

Please. nice try.

edit: 22 now, with that last one being a negative and the only negative... from none other than:



YOU! cant win verbally so you make up negative comments to report about other people? how low and sad. I'm a no good lier now huh? what exactly did I lie about

again nice try your not gonna win defacing anyone but yourself if you continue down this road
post #238 of 1272
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Originally Posted by rincewind
sylvester. it looks like u will have to order out of ur country
That is out of the question.

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or wait until a reseller in your contry has them...
I want to buy a notebook as soon as possible (< 1 month).

By the way, not only the specs are important for me, the design is also important for me. I don't like the design of the Compal CL56.
post #239 of 1272
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Originally Posted by sylvesterrr
By the way, not only the specs are important for me, the design is also important for me. I don't like the design of the Compal CL56.
If you like the design of the Acer Ferrari 3200 then you have another option as well, the Acer TravelMate 8000 series that have the same chassis but without the red paint job ofcourse. Still these models tend to cost more than the Ferrari 3200 because they use more expensive CPU's (Dothan). So as far as I see it the Acer Ferrari 3200 really is a great buy, it got both great specs and a nice design
post #240 of 1272
go to search. hit advanced search. type in "corresponding odms"
and find the thread about the different noteobook resellers
contact a few of the resellers and see if they have international shipping.
im sure one of them does it. what notebook are u looking at again? the aopen1557g? or ferrari3200? there was a forum member from brazil who ordered a ferrari3200 for 2200 usd... might want to search for it and see where he ordered from
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