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post #241 of 1272
There have been several questions about the Ferrari 3200 and Windows XP 64-Bit Edition. I found some information that I though would interest you in that regard.

First an interview with Microsoft senior vice president Bob Muglia (BM) and Windows Server Senior Director Jeff Price (JP) by Paul Thurrott's SuperSite for Windows:
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase..._winserver.asp

"BM: One thing we've found is that 32-bit applications run better on the 64-bit OS than they do on 32-bits. Just adding a 64-bit processor and the 64-bit OS changes everything.

Paul: Now what are you comparing there? Are these machines running the same clock speed...

BM: Same everything. Same chips, same everything. We run apps on 32-bit Windows, and then take those same apps and run them on 64-bit Windows, and you'll get about an 8 percent performance improvement on average.

Paul: Are you seeing any difference between AMD's [64-bit] stuff and Intel's stuff?

BM: Yes. [Smiles]

Paul: Would you care to clarify that? [Laughs]

BM: Well, AMD has done a good job ...

[Laughter]

Paul: OK, I realize these companies are both important partners...

BM: I think both have invested very heavily... and I'm sure that customers will be happy with either solution.

Paul: All righty.

[Laughter]

BM: Are there differences? Yes, there are differences.

Paul: OK, so how do these companies differentiate their 64-bit products?

BM: So there are some things that AMD's done that Intel hasn't done, and I'm sure Intel will continue to invest here, and will do a really good job. AMD led the way on this one. There's no doubt they led the way on this one.

Paul: Right, I thought [AMD64] was going to be the orphaned [microprocessor] of the decade, the next Alpha...

BM: Oh I didn't think so. But do you know why I knew? Because of Dave.

Paul: Dave Cutler.

BM: Yeah, Dave's been all over this. Dave worked really closely with to design the chip. He was trying to get something that was really compatible and the problem that we have is that we want to support all of our applications totally. And these chips are just fantastic for that.

Paul: It's almost like applying the Microsoft model to [chip design]. The Itanium, for all its advantages, just couldn't run the installed base very well.

BM: No, not very well.

Paul: And it never will.

BM: No.

Paul: So back to the core OS benefits, again, where do these figures come from?

BM: This is our own internal testing. It's pretty remarkable what we're seeing, actually.

JP: There are a bunch of address space limitations to 32-bit, and for certain functions, you just can't get enough memory. And with a certain amount of memory, all of those limitations go away.

BM: We tested a whole series of workloads. Some workloads just don't benefit that much from 64-bits, but having a 64-bit OS on there gives you certain advantages. Other workloads--even if the app is 32-bit--you get a huge benefit by running on a 64-bit OS."

Then a posting from the product manager for Windows XP 64-Bit, Brian Marr:
http://www.planetamd64.com/portal.ph...c7c5c45edba102

"Hi Everyone -

My name is Brian Marr and I work in the Windows Client Product Management Team - I am the product manager for Windows XP64, which means that I am responsible for making the decisions that will affect how you get your hands on the product (along with a few other things).

I've been reading these threads and wanted to clarify some things about availability. Below is a summary of what we have planned. I hope this will answer your questions.

BETA PROGRAMS
Today we have a customer preview program, which it sounds as though most of you have taken advantage of. I realize that we have a very old build out there and I'm working with our release management team to get an update out asap. I think you are going to be impressed by how much work our development team has put into the OS since Beta 1 and look forward to hearing your feedback on it.

There is also a technical beta program - my understanding is that we'll open this back up again after XP SP2 ships. This is a great way to get builds more often, but there are some requirements around filing bugs etc that you'll be responsible for.

FINAL RELEASE
Now to the big question - what happens when this product releases? Here is what we have planned:

1. The OS will be available on some new OEM PCs. No surprise there. The OEMs are responsible for deciding which systems they want to support it on.

2. The OS will be part of MSDN

3. The OS will be part of Software Assurance

4. The OS will be sold through System Builders and Distributors.
You can either purchase it pre-installed on a system builder PC or just purchase the OS with some piece of hardware. As Darrell mentioned on another thread, this can really be anything (a cable, for example). If your system builder of choice wants to only sell it with high-end components, I'd suggest finding a new place to buy your equipment.

5. There will not be a retail fully-packaged product.
I've read some interesting posts here where some of you sound angry because we're not doing a retail box. This really surprises me - SB/Disti is the easiest and least expensive way to get your new OS, especially if you build your own PCs.

"EXISTING 64-BIT SYSTEMS..."
Finally - I am working on something that would let you trade your 32-bit XP Pro license for 64-bit. Nothing final here... no details... but the point is that we want to take care of the people who go out and buy or build x64 systems before we ship.

At the end of the day my colleagues and I work on this project for a reason - we (you and I) are the people driving the transition into the next phase in computing. Our job isn't to squeeze money from your pockets or make this hard for you - we want to make it *very* easy.

Hopefully consolidating some of this info will help. If you have any other questions about our plans, feel free to ask. If I can answer them, I will. Have fun with the OS... I'm looking forward to organizing a friendly game of 64-bit UT04 pre-release with anyone interested sometime soon .

Brian"

Just though I'd let you know
post #242 of 1272
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Originally Posted by snorre
If you like the design of the Acer Ferrari 3200 then you have another option as well, the Acer TravelMate 8000 series that have the same chassis but without the red paint job ofcourse. Still these models tend to cost more than the Ferrari 3200 because they use more expensive CPU's (Dothan). So as far as I see it the Acer Ferrari 3200 really is a great buy, it got both great specs and a nice design
Specs of the TravelMate 8000 series: ATI 9700 64MB DDR VGA
I want 128MB
post #243 of 1272
Quote:
Originally Posted by rincewind
go to search. hit advanced search. type in "corresponding odms"
and find the thread about the different noteobook resellers
contact a few of the resellers and see if they have international shipping.
im sure one of them does it. what notebook are u looking at again? the aopen1557g? or ferrari3200? there was a forum member from brazil who ordered a ferrari3200 for 2200 usd... might want to search for it and see where he ordered from
Again, ordering out of The Netherlands is out of the question.
post #244 of 1272
Depends what Travelmate 8000 series you go for.

I have the 8006lmi which has the radeon 9700 128mb.
post #245 of 1272
http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/10..._distribution/

well that was posted in 99... aparently u should have an acer warehouse in ur country. why dont u call them
post #246 of 1272
snorre:

The interview you posted w/M$ is a bit misleading. It seems to me they are trying to hint that 64bit is naturally faster then 32 bit, this is not the case.
They are running the same app on 64bit Windows (optimized at compile time for AMD64) and then benching it against 32bit Windows (optimized at compile time for i386 or maybe P3/P4). All these results show is the 8% improvement you get from actually optimizing the software for the specific hardware.
post #247 of 1272
Quote:
Originally Posted by agentsim
They are running the same app on 64bit Windows (optimized at compile time for AMD64) and then benching it against 32bit Windows (optimized at compile time for i386 or maybe P3/P4). All these results show is the 8% improvement you get from actually optimizing the software for the specific hardware.
No, in fact that 8% improvement is achieved just by running the exact same 32-bit software on the 64-bit Windows with no recompiling required at all
post #248 of 1272
Quote:
Originally Posted by snorre
No, in fact that 8% improvement is achieved just by running the exact same 32-bit software on the 64-bit Windows with no recompiling required at all
The OS was recompiled... not the app.
post #249 of 1272
Quote:
Originally Posted by agentsim
The OS was recompiled... not the app.
Ofcourse, it's a 64-bit OS so what did you expect?

It's quite impressive to gain 8% improvement on average on 32-bit software just by running the 64-Bit Windows I think
post #250 of 1272
I don't find that impressive.

Check out: http://www.coyotegulch.com/acovea/acovea_4.html

Shows the power of compiler optimization options.

Consider the following. If Windows 32bit is optimized for i686 or P3/P4, then it is optimized for SSE and the P3 register set. AMD64 implements SSE, but gets no where near the Intel speed boost from it, furthermore the register set on a P3 is very different from that of an AMD64.

In other words, there are plenty of optimizations to make that can take advantage of the AMD64 architecture. The 8% gain is about what you'd expect, nothing impressive, and certainly nothing to credit AMD64 with. If Windows were optimized for AMD64 when Intel64 comes out and M$ re-issued an Intel64 version, Intel would get the same 8% speed boost...

ps: you'll have to scroll down the acovea page to see the AMD64 results
post #251 of 1272
Doesn't do much good without a 64 bit chip from Intel however.
post #252 of 1272
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferrari3200
Doesn't do much good without a 64 bit chip from Intel however.
I wouldn't worry about the lack of the Intel 64-bit chip yet. There's still no 64-bit Windows. The Intel chip could still be out before 64-bit Windows for all anyone knows.
post #253 of 1272
So when is the 64-Bit Windows being released? Next year some time? By the time it's available and you've bought it you might already have your eye on another laptop, or need another newer laptop with better specs to run it (knowing Microshaft)!
post #254 of 1272
somebody said that it was to be towards the end of this year, but i can't validate that.
post #255 of 1272
You can download today a free 360 days evaluation copy of Windows XP 64-Bit for AMD64 here.

The final version is expected to be released sometime soon after SP2 is available, as this project is the reason for the delays. I guess this will be sometime in the 3rd quarter or early 4th quarter this year. The current preview version is fully functional though, its just lacking (optimized) drivers. Excellent sources for 64-bit beta drivers are here and here.
post #256 of 1272
I'm going to buy an Acer Ferrari 3200 next week and it's really nice that the price of an 3200 has just dropped to +/- 1740 Euro inc. taxes in the Netherlands.
post #257 of 1272
congrats, from what i hear you won't be disappointed!
post #258 of 1272
Quote:
Originally Posted by greenlizzard
I'm going to buy an Acer Ferrari 3200 next week and it's really nice that the price of an 3200 has just dropped to +/- 1740 Euro inc. taxes in the Netherlands.
Excellent price ... do you know, by any chance, a retailer in the Netherlands with the updated price that ships across EU ???

That would be a sweat, sweat deal
post #259 of 1272
I'm going to buy a ferrari 3200 or an acer 1714smi next week. Don't know which one to buy!! The ferrari is just +/- 150 EUR cheaper than the 1714smi, but will the 64-bit cpu will have much advantage in the future?

I'm planning to use the notebook for about two years...

Any thoughts, anyone?
post #260 of 1272
If you aren't planning to travel with it then go for the 1714smi, else go for the Ferrari.
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