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gsferrari's Sager **5670** review - Page 4

post #61 of 79
Alright, the beast is finally here and setup...

I first began by installing Windows XP Pro, then ran windows update until satisfied. After that, I installed the drivers as per manual. All went fine without a hitch.

In order to run 3dMark2003, I installed DX9. I at first wanted to run the benches without it but since 3dmark cannot do it without it goes in.

After that, I started up System Mechanic and ran it, and installed the appropriate benchmarking programs.

Just for fun, let's compare these to what I score on my old system (basic specs, AMD 800 mhz, 256 mb ram, Geforce 2 GTS 64 mb)

Old Computer
3dMark2001SE - 2809
3dMark2003 - 121 (OUCH! My computer could only run two tests... i.e., all the plane flying ones)
PCmark2002:
CPU score – 2079
Memory score – 1909
HDD score – 403

5670
3dMark2001SE - 7176
3dMark2003 - 1068
PCmark2002:
CPU score - 7391
Memory score - 5410
HDD score - 606

I believe that the 5670 came with Cat 3.2 drivers right to begin with, but I am not sure (because I was an idiot and downloaded the drivers from Sagernotebooks). It's a 45 mb download if you go that way but no mods are needed on the drivers. BTW, gs, I have no clue how you got the scores you did in the benches. I had all basic drivers installed, with Cat 3.2, and it still scored under what you got. I even have 512 mb more RAM. Any ideas how this could be?

In place of a better structured review I have a list of impressions that this laptop has had on me in the past few days.

First, the computer is rather heavy, but that is okay as I am not going everywhere with it.

The new cooling system is nice. It is quieter than my desktop and doesn't feel all that hot at all on the bottom after a few hours of running. The keyboard can get a little warm but nothing that I care about.

No dead pixels, at least as far as I can tell. And a real nice screen. There is a little bit of a motion blur effect in games but nothing that destroys the ambience of any game (in fact, I kind of like it in comparison to a normal CRT screen with its instant refresh rate).

I love laptops. Take 'em with you to the library to study. Take 'em to school. It is extremely useful.

After getting all of my applications and drivers setup I started trying out the games... which work incredibly well now! I can run UT2K3 with max details 1024X768 smoothly in 16 bit and with a few rough spots in 32 bit. All other games that I own are not as system intensive as UT2K3, so naturally they run beautifully.

My only complaints? The speakers that are built into the laptop really suck (but it is fine if you go with headphones/stereo). Also, the placement of the fn key is a little disturbing for a desktop user like me (I tend to hit it instead of the ctrl key a lot, but I am sure I will adjust). Also, the battery life on a laptop of this power is ABYSMAL. Half an hour at max power is what I got. I am not sure what is going on here, so I am going to post about this in the help area.

Anyways, that is all that I thought of the 5670.
post #62 of 79
Thread Starter 

Great feedback...

I used the modded drivers from the s-seven.net website. THey suck for games though...

When I benched the machines the modded drivers were available on the sager website and I should have used them but they had only just come out and I didnt remember to download them...

Perhaps that is why you scored a little less than I did.

Did you check your clock setting with powerstrip?? If it is 190 then you are good to go - if it is less than that then they have shipped it to you underclocked - bump up the clock if you like but I would leave it there as long as the games play fine...

You see motion blurs when you game on the 5670?? either your eyes are very good and my eyes suck because I didnt notice anything like this on the 5670 - I did notice it on the 8887 screen though...
post #63 of 79

8887 Ghost Problem

Hi

This message is for gsferrari. I was wondering if you could post some pics of a game running on the 5670 and on the 8887. I want to see how bad the ghosting is on the 8887.
post #64 of 79
Thread Starter 

Not possible...

Firstly screenshots cannot show the ghosting. Also the ghosting is not noticeable unless you really look and look HARD for it. I played Splinter Cell on the 8887 without noticing the ghosting until Adam pointed it out to me. Even after that I was so into the game that I didnt notice anything at all!!

There are no such issues with the 5670 as long as you have the newest drivers installed.

I dont have an 8887 or a 5670 - I had to go to the PC Torque office to run the tests and write the review with the benchmarks etc. I might be going there soon and I will see what I can do for you.

But if you are basing your decision to buy the 5670 over the 8887 just because of the ghosting then DONT - you will not notice it at all - I guarantee...

the 16" screen is just gorgeous but the 5670 still has the better screen IMO

WILL WORK ON THE SCREENSHOTS - NEED TIME
post #65 of 79
Quote:
Did you check your clock setting with powerstrip?? If it is 190 then you are good to go - if it is less than that then they have shipped it to you underclocked - bump up the clock if you like but I would leave it there as long as the games play fine...
Underclocked?
Exactly, what does it mean and why do they ship your GPU underclocked?
How do I switch it to the desired 190?

Thanks.
post #66 of 79

BIOS

What about the BIOS options. Memory (CAS Latency 2 or 2.5)...

andres
post #67 of 79
Thread Starter 

Clocks etc.

Some of the laptops are shipped underclocked for some reason - more down to discrepancy in their calibrating instruments or they just plain forgot about it

You can use this program : Powerstrip 3.30 which you can download here : http://download.com.com/3000-2094-10175383.html

install it and run - use it to configure your system clocks. DOnt touch the CPU clock - the DDR is your GPU's clock - set it to 190 for the 5670 and 182 for the 5660 and 180 for the 8887.
post #68 of 79

Thank you

Thank you for the information gsferrari. I was also able to find those screen shots comparing the 5670 and 8887 on the forums. The other issue I can see is that the 8887 screen is not clear when viewing from the side, but then as it was stated, "who views from the side when playing games?" I agree with that.

Again thanks again.
post #69 of 79

wow...

amazing how Gs just blew up on the sagerforums!! sweet going Gs!!!!
"I used the modded drivers from the s-seven.net website. THey suck for games though..."

Now, which drivers are good for gaming?
And when you clock up your gpu, what are the bonuses, in case of gaming?
post #70 of 79
I'm currently using the Omega drivers (2.4.07a) and they do not fix the invisible land in BF1942, nor do I notice any speed increases (it still plays just as quick).

I sure don't know what I did before with the default drivers to have BF 1942 work so well, I should not have monkeyed with my video (adding Dx9 - ).

Sometimes, it's good to leave well enough alone.

-myrkat
post #71 of 79
Thread Starter 

confused...

anyway - I have the best combo IMO - DX8.1 and the Sager M9 drivers. The Catalyst 3.1 drivers were very good. The Cat 3.2 worked fine for me but loads of people had issues.

Honestly I think it is DX9.0 which is causing problems...If DX tells the GPU to render certain textures in a particular fashion that is incorrect then we will have issues...

Best to retain DX8.1 until you really cant do without DX9.0 anymore...I dont see the current circumstances compelling enough to install DX9.0a ...

I have no issues with BF1942/Splinter Cell (finished the game and its on sale) or any other game that I play on a regular basis...
post #72 of 79
I need to wait another month to order my Sager, since its for graduating
post #73 of 79
Thread Starter 

WHAT!?!?!?

If you are going to wait another month then hold up and order the next gen sager...the 8888 or whatever its gonna be called...

It will make all these laptops obsolete...I tell ya...at least in a relativistic sense...

These laptops (5670 and 8887) are still great but the 8888 will OWN
post #74 of 79

still love my 5660!

Man all this talk of new sagers while I already bought one of the last 5660s depresses me

Oh well, I still love my 5660, love the custom midnight blue color and it screams when I play games.... and it's still better than non-sagers out there!

Goes to show you how advanced Sager is, I suppose you're right, the new 8888 will blow everyone away.

grass is always greener right?
post #75 of 79

link

wheres a link for direct x9?
post #76 of 79

Re: link

Quote:
Originally posted by Icefluxx
wheres a link for direct x9?
Quickest way I do it is www.microsoft.com/directx, but I've gone ahead and made it even EASIER for you:

CLICK HERE

-myrkat
post #77 of 79

heh

okay...stupidity settling in upon me....
post #78 of 79
Haha! I changed my settings for performance under the ATI control panel, and then in the BIOS, I configured my video aperture size to be 256, instead of the 128 before that. Then I defragged, and closed down all the apps running in the taskbar. Having done that, I ran 3dmark2001SE and I got a score of 7,307! Not bad for a 5670 with a 2.8 Ghz processor.

Some problems though, during the lobby scenes, I see some tearing. And when I run C&C: Generals, I see artifacts all over the terrain. They look like the mouse cursor. Other than that, my games run ok.

I have half a gig of system memory, but should I buy another stick if I want to have my video aperture size allocated to 256 megs all the time?

This next paragraph is off topic, but has anyone seen the movie, "Full Metal Jacket"? I downloaded it off of KaZaA. After seeing that movie you'd be apprehensive about going into the USMC.

But it's really not that bad. Drill Instructors aren't allowed to swear like that, nor may they hit you, or abuse you. I kind of like that guy though, from Mail Call on the History channel. Ermey Lee, I think his name is. But I think what upset me was seeing that fat dude Kyle go insane and kill the DI and then himself. Visceral violence.
post #79 of 79
Quote:
Originally posted by Kubed
Uh oh, I accidentally flamed! I wrote all that, but then when I hit the submit button, the page wouldn't load. So, I must have hit it several times before I saw anything. I'm sorry, didn't mean to do this! someone delete all those messages.. damn
That's ok.. I deleted the first 10 or so... sheesh, go a little crazy on the SUBMIT button?

For future reference, you can delete your own posts, simply click the EDIT button, then there's a checkbox and DELETE button at the TOP of the edit box. Voila! 10+ posts gone (well, one at a time...)

-myrkat

PS: Oh, and it's R. Lee Ermy who hosts Mail Call and was in FMJ... you know, that was the movie they showed us in Boot camp when I was in the Army (except we call it Basic Training)...
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