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post #21 of 35
4/3/04 at 3:16pm
Yeah Pyro, go with Babba's instructions. The "stock" ATI drivers from the ATI site are not set to recognize Mobility chips\cards. They can be easily modded using some free utilities out there, but the Omegas are already done and set to go. I've used many versions of the Omegas on my 8887. I'm on v.4.2 now. I've found the Omegas to be as good or better than their ATI foundation. The 3.7\3.8s were BS, but that was ATI as much as Omega. Gofrit!
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post #22 of 35
4/3/04 at 3:50pm
Great! Thanks guys, downloading now. I'll let ya know how it turns out. Man I love this forum!
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post #23 of 35
4/7/04 at 1:23am
Ok, downloaded the new omega drivers, OC'd to 465engine/276memory and ran 3DMark03... crashhhhh. Got a black screen with little repetitive 'smudges' (kinda like when you try and drag a window when your CPUs fully loaded) going down one side. Had to cold boot. I'm too tired to try and do more tests. But any info in the mean time that may help would be appreciated.

EDIT: I lied. I did another couple tests. Ran it at default allocations (351core/256mem) and things were smooth - 2988 score on 3DMark03.
Then tried OCing to 452/263 and another crash. This time it got a lot further (3rd test rather than 1st), but still crashed. Didn't have to cold boot this time, 3DMark just came up saying it couldn't do reliable benchmarking because it lost focus or something.

Thoughts?
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post #24 of 35
4/9/04 at 10:19pm
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Originally Posted by Babbabresaur
I also had low marks on 32mark03 {512}. I changed open gl and direct 3d drivers to default, also went to PC Pitstop, it determined I had programs running in background such as speed disk, indexing service, etc. Went to administrative services to switch them from automatic to manual.

Also did you try changing the driver with catalyst 3.2, I believe their are 2,3 or more drivers you can use. Good luck.
If you havent already, try the omega drivers, they are kicka$$

http://www.driverheaven.net/downloads/index4.htm

oops, didnt see the last post till I posted, sorry
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post #25 of 35
4/10/04 at 9:27am
Was getting some artifacts with halo at 513/330 on the 8970. Cut memory back to 513/283.5, and no artifacts.

Pyrobob83 did you set open gl and direct 3d at default settings when you ran your tests at 465/276? I run my 8890 at 483.5/283.5 with no issues. I've had this setting for months and played tons of games on it.
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post #26 of 35
4/10/04 at 3:24pm
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Originally Posted by Babbabresaur
Was getting some artifacts with halo at 513/330 on the 8970. Cut memory back to 513/283.5, and no artifacts.

Pyrobob83 did you set open gl and direct 3d at default settings when you ran your tests at 465/276? I run my 8890 at 483.5/283.5 with no issues. I've had this setting for months and played tons of games on it.
Thanks for the info. Yes, both OGL and D3D were at defaults. And I even uninstalled and reinstalled the Omegas. I don't understand it... I overclocked to 452/263 and ran 3DMark03 and again it failed to complete all the tests. So I ran Artifact Tester 5 on 'hardcore' and it said no artifacts and I should overclock some more. But when I drop down to system defaults (351/256), 3DMark03 finished fine and I get a score usually just under 3000.

I suppose I'll keep it OC'd and just test in game. The only problems I've had were with Far Cry (when I had old drivers), so I guess I'll test using that. If only I could afford the whole game rather than the demos
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post #27 of 35
4/10/04 at 11:20pm
If your machine is not raised on some type of platform to allow for proper breathing and circulation, you may want to see how that impacts the performance of the GPU.
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post #28 of 35
4/11/04 at 12:49am
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Originally Posted by Babbabresaur
If your machine is not raised on some type of platform to allow for proper breathing and circulation, you may want to see how that impacts the performance of the GPU.
My machine isn't raised as such, but it's on a flat desk in a fairly cool environment (it's snowing... in New Mexico... in April... ). I tried running Far Cry with 452/263 and didn't even get past the menu before it froze up. Went back down to defaults and worked fine. I'm guessing I can't put in for an RMA on the card if it won't overclock using RadLinker. If only I could replace it with the 9700 256meg card...
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post #29 of 35
4/11/04 at 1:52am
I finally had some time where I could do a little focused testing. As mentioned earlier, overclocking to 452/263 using Omega 4.3 drivers crashed 3DMark03. I decided to start with defaults and just increment the numbers by one 'notch' on the slider. I haven't gotten to changing the memory part, but with incrementing the core, here's what I got.

Core Memory 3DMark03
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351 256 2988 (default)
..... ..... ......
411 256 3228
425 256 3277
438 256 3314
452 256 crash

I'll do some with the memory later. Just out of curiosity, what do 'core' and 'memory' actually mean? I'm guessing memory means system RAM, but I'm not sure how it's used exactly. And I can't even guess what 'core' means...
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post #30 of 35
4/11/04 at 3:26am
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Originally Posted by Pyrobob83
IJust out of curiosity, what do 'core' and 'memory' actually mean? I'm guessing memory means system RAM, but I'm not sure how it's used exactly. And I can't even guess what 'core' means...
Not certain it is entirely safe for you (or your machine) to adjust values and settings you have no knowledge or comprehension of. In fact, it absolutely isn't safe at all.

Am reminded of this quotation, which another well respected user in this forum (namely Henrik) uses as his signature :

"Knowing is not understanding. There is a great difference between knowing and understanding: you can know a lot about something and not really understand it." - Charles F. Kettering
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post #31 of 35
4/11/04 at 9:15am
I thought the whole idea of these mobility GPU's, was that they were upradable.
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post #32 of 35
4/11/04 at 9:45am
core is the engine, similar to a CPU being 3.2, the 9600 pro turbo is clocked at 351. Actuary Tim is right you should be very careful if the 8890 can't take much overclocking. A setting of 438 with no crashes and if stable is a decent bump in speed over 351.
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post #33 of 35
4/11/04 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by ActuaryTm
Not certain it is entirely safe for you (or your machine) to adjust values and settings you have no knowledge or comprehension of. In fact, it absolutely isn't safe at all.
I life life on the edge! Whilst I didn't really know what the values were for, I used Babb's stable 483/279 settings as a guideline. I'm happy with the increase as it stands - I might even bump it down a little to the 425 just to be sure. Would I even benefit from trying to increase the memory setting? Currently all the tests were done with default memory (256).

Thanks guys for all the input.
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post #34 of 35
4/11/04 at 11:17pm
Whilst reading this thread I popped in the Omega's and my 3d Mark '03 score went from 2100 to 3010. Damn, that is a nice improvement.
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post #35 of 35
4/12/04 at 12:57am
Ok, I'm done. Found a stable combination of 425/276 that gives me a 3DMark03 score of 3408 which translates into running Far Cry maxed out at 1280x1024 smoother than... er... something really smooth

Thanks again for all the input!
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