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Need Help: OS won't load - Says no Harddrive found

post #1 of 28
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Hello,
I just got my Sager 5670 today and I'm trying to load up the OS - XP Home. I put the CD in the drive and it started to lead up, but then it stopped and said that there was no harddrive found. I'm pretty new to this and have never installed an OS by myself. What do I have to do to get my system to recognize that I have a harddrive? Do I need to load the drivers first? Do I need to change the boot up order? HD 1st, then CD, then removeable drivers or CD first? I'm really cusrious what's going on and would appreciate all the help. Thanks in advance.
post #2 of 28

weird..

Must be a loose connector between the HDD and the MOBO. I would wait till Adam or Troy tell you what to do. Also give Sager a call and ask them for advice.

I doubt it is anything serious - maybe a 30 minute or less job of opening the back cover plate and seating the HDD connector properly...

Like I said - give sager a call and wait till someone replies..

I wouldnt worry too much. Sounds pretty straightforward to me. The possible problems are :-

1] Bad connection
2] Bad Bios
3] Bad HDD
post #3 of 28
It's 12:05AM here. If you can call in the next 30 minutes, make sure you ask for Adam ;-)

Call me in the morning and we will take care of it. Since you just got it, I'm sure you want it up and going ;-( Hey, you online, call me ;-)
post #4 of 28
Thread Starter 
Ok, I talked to Sager Tech support and Powernotebooks tech support. They said that the problem is probably with my hard drive and that I should remove the floppy bay to get to the hard drive. I have tired several times to remove the bay, but I can't seem it get it off/ out. I moved the latch to unlock and it should come out right, well it's not. It seems like there is something holding it there. Powernotebooks gave me a RMA # and told me to ship it to Sager if I can't get it open. I'm planning having my friend help me open it up by taking out all the screws on the bottom and see if we can get it off that way. Would you recommend this or should I just leave it alone and have it shipped to Sager?

This really sucks, I've been looking forward to getting and using my laptop for 2 weeks and when I finally get it, it doesn't work. I guess I'll probably have to wait another 2-3 weeks before I get it back from Sager. Oh well. Please let me know if you think I should open it up and see if I can get the floppy bay out that way. Thanks again.
post #5 of 28

huh..

The floppy bay wont slide out - it comes out about one inch and then you have to lift it off - you have to keep the laptop upside down to remove the floppy bay (not if you know how to do it - then you can swap it any time you like any way you like)

I still think it is just a disconnected HDD - save yourself all the trouble and check out this link :-

http://sagerforums.com/forums/showth...?s=&threadid=4

here you will learn how to open the laptop and get to the hard disk drive. Just make sure the connectors are properly seated and then try starting up the system and installing the OS - it should work.

Otherwise your HDD is screwed.

But before you go through the 2-3 week process of shipping your laptop back and waiting for it - give this a shot - I have a positive feeling about this!!
post #6 of 28

I just tried

I opened the 5660 and its a bloody easy thing to do!! I dont know why you find THIS so difficult - remove the modular bay and the next thing you see is the Hard drive!!!

Come on!! it doesnt get any easier than this!!

if everything is ok (connector is correctly seated) then the HDD is phut - ask them to cross ship a new one to you and send them the phut one

contact donald or someone at powernotebooks for help. They should help you out of this mess...
post #7 of 28
If you are lucky, maybe it's just not "pluged in" all the way, and it will show up when you and your friend remove the cover... at least that would beat sending it in.

Do you even HEAR the drive spinning? Or see the LED indicator light up?

-myrkat
post #8 of 28
Thread Starter 
Thanks, I'll try again tonight. I know how to remove the modular bay, but honestly, it just won't come out. When I unlock the latch and pull on it, it comes out about 1-3mm, no where close to an inch. I have tried repeatedly to get the bay out, it just won't come out. Would it perhaps make it easier if I took off the DVD/CD-RW drive to make a little room and then try to remove the floppy bay?

This is getting really frustrating, I know it should just come out, but it isn't.
post #9 of 28

No need to remove the cover...

Its soo easy myrkat - you just slide the clasp, slide out the FDD about one inch and then lift it out - 10 seconds operation at most.

The HDD is right there with one screw - remove the screw and remove the HDD and then put it back in carefully and make sure the connector goes in all the way. Then dont close the laptop yet - just turn it over, turn it on and see if it works...

If it does then you have just saved yourself shipping costs and infinitely worse - wait time

Post after you have tried this out...
post #10 of 28
Thread Starter 

I know it's easy, it's just not coming off

Ok, I have been doing what everyone has been recommending, sliding the clasp to the unlock position and trying to slide the bay out, but it seems like it is STUCK. I just tried again for about 5 minutes and no luck.

So would it be ok to try and open the case now? Or should I just send it in? Thanks again.

I'll probably see if my friend and I can get the case off tonight and then if we can get the bay off, if not, it's probably going back to Sager.
post #11 of 28

Re: No need to remove the cover...

Quote:
Originally posted by gsferrari
Its soo easy myrkat - you just slide the clasp, slide out the FDD about one inch and then lift it out - 10 seconds operation at most...
He is having trouble REMOVING the floppy, G. We all know it's SUPPOSED to be easy, but if it is stuck, it won't matter how easy we say it is.

I think taking the machine casing off would be a good "next step" to try and see why it's stuck.

-myrkat
post #12 of 28

Listen...

Did you slide it out for like one inch and then lift it out?

turn the laptop over on your lap (LCD on your lap and the fans pointing straight upwards)

You should be trying to remove the larger modular device - the smaller one is the main battery the larger square is the second battery or FDD (just pretending you are dumb)

slide the tab and you have to use your palm to press down on the drive and then pushslide it out - it it a little hard to get it moving but apply some force - its ok...

Once it gets released it will slide out only a little - then you have to lift it out the rest of the way. It will not slide out completely.

You mentioned you have a 5670 - make sure its not an 8887

MYRKAT - he is not doing what I asked him to do. There is nothing there that can stop your modular bay from coming out. I am sure he is not doing it right. Come on! it falls right out if you have the laptop right side up, slide the tab and simultaneously slide the bay.

USE SOME FORCE - IT WILL NOT HARM YOUR LAPTOP.

There is nothing else you can do to get to the HDD - this is the fastest and easiest way - I doubt there is another way. Removing the casing is BS and if he couldnt get the modular drive out I wouldnt trust him to be able to put the laptop together again...

I dont wanna sound harsh but it just escapes me how someone cannot complete such a simple task.
post #13 of 28
Thread Starter 
Ok, gsferrari, I know which drive to remove, the floppy, it just wouldn't come out!!!! I know which one the battery is, in fact the battery easily pops right out when I move the latch to unlock, it's the floppy drive that I can't get out. I applied pressure like you said, I moved the latch on the floppy drive to the unlock position and then used my palm to "pushslide it out" but it doesn't come out. You said that it should come out about an inch or so and then I can pull it up and it will come out. The powernotebooks representative I talked to told me it should come out about 1/2". The problem is that it WON'T come out that far. Like I said earlier, it will only come out a few mimimeters, that's all. I honestly pushed down on the floppy with force and it still didn't budge.

I know this is SUPPOSED to be a simple task and one I should be able to do within seconds, but like I said, it's stuck. Since it is stuck, what others options do I have other then sending it in to Sager?

You also said that you wouldn't trust me or my friend of being able to put the computer back together if we took the case off since we couldn't get the floppy drive out and off the system, but how do you expect us to do so if it is stuck. My friend has a loptop (a older Dell) and last night he said that the floppy SHOULD come right off, but we couldn't get it off and so we stopped. We know which drive to TRY to take off, but it just won't come off.

If we take the case off, I will not do anything or remove any parts that we may not be able to put back on. I just want to see if we can get in there and see if we can get the stupid floppy out so we can get to the HDD.

Sorry if it seems like I am being rude, I'm not trying to be. I'm just trying to tell you that the floppy bay is stuck and I can't get it off, but you guys seem to think that I don't know what I should be doing. I turned it upside down like you said, and did what you said in your last post, but the thing won't budge. I will try again later tonight when I get home or with my friend and let you know how it goes.

Thanks
post #14 of 28
I understood, ya. It's stuck, maybe if you take it apart a bit, you can see why it's stuck.

I don't think gsferarri understood that it's not the TECHNIQUE of removing the floppy you are having problems with, but that something is preventing it from sliding out. Heck, could be something got stuck in there the last time you had it out...

I still say cautiously remove the casing and see if you can get in that way before spending the resources and downtime shipping the whole unit off...

-myrkat
post #15 of 28

I understood perfectly myrkat...

I think I know what the problem is.

The floppy drive does not have a protected top like the battery. See - the bottom is protected but the top is open - the top of the FDD that is - it goes over the HDD and the bottom faces the bottom of the lappy (me again oversimplyfying things )

I have a feeling your HDD is loose and is out of place inside - which may cause it to block your FDD. I think this is exactly what is happening in your case.

I think the best thing to do will be to return it ASAP. I dont think you can get at the HDD by opening up the rest of the HDD - the frame will get in the way and you might end up voiding your warranty.

I am sorry for being an ass earlier but I wanted to make sure you were doing exactly what I said. I dont know why myrkat has to join in and pacify anyone but it was totally unnecessary...

So - I think you are quite capable I just wanted to make sure you were using the right technique and not giving up without trying.

BUT DONT OPEN THE CASE - leave that to the people who sold you the laptop. Tell them that you are pissed and ask them to crossship another brand new 5670 to you while you ship this back to them.

I think they should do this or pay for both ways overnight shipping.

FIGHT FOR IT - they cant play games like this...
post #16 of 28
Thread Starter 

Thanks guys for understanding my problem

Hey GSFerrari and myrkat, thanks for your help and suggestions. I will contact Powernotebooks.com and tell then to ship me another until while this one is being repaired or to request that they pay for the overnight shipping of the computer back to Sager in California so that Sager can get it and work on it as soon as possible and get it back to me. You are right that I need to tough about this and let them know that I am pissed. Maybe I wouldn't be so mad if I was able to get the FDD out and determine the problem, but thus far I haven't been able to. And gsferrari, you don't need to appologize for what you said earlier, I understand that you were probably just as frustrated as me when you read that I couldn't get the FDD off. It's cool. Thanks again, I'm going to contact Powernotebooks via email now and let them know that I am not happy.
post #17 of 28
Been following this post and I just have to ask:

What the heck has gotten up "G's" arse?
post #18 of 28

Something BIG!!

I wasnt mad at all - I just couldnt fathom why the stupid FDD refused to come out in his laptop...

I am bloody pissed that they can ship out a laptop like this without checking it first...aah well...Lemons do occur once in a while..but dont tell me they dont test first ??

First I was all over the floor laughing because I kept picturing someone struggling with the media bay while my FDD basically doesnt want to stay in

I just tip lift up the laptop, move the tab and tilt the laptop to the right side and BAM - no more FDD

Think about it Just stop for a minute and visualize - someone with this brand new laptop with a beast of a CPU, GPU and other hardware...prolly a couple of super games stashed away to one side...FOOLING AROUND WITH THE ARSE END OF THE LAPTOP

I think its hilarious Sorry if I sounded mad towards the middle... I am glad you understand
post #19 of 28
We all have those kind of days.
post #20 of 28
Thread Starter 
Well, I took my laptop ove ro my friend's but we decided that we should just leave the system alone and send it back to Sager. We tried to take the FDD out, but I tell you that it is really stuck. Oh well.
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