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post #121 of 158
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I hear you!
I am thinking seriously about the WXGA ASUS and the SXGA+ HP n8000.
Also, I am looking at HP's and other sites to see if there are any WXGA 15.4's with decent video cards that I have overlooked IN THE PAST 6 WEEKS (I kinda doubt it).
If there is anything out there you think I have not noticed, please let me know, because I am about to end this, THIS WEEK, one way or another.

Andrew
Austin, TX




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Originally Posted by rincewind
Wxga Wxga Wxga
post #122 of 158
Yeah, the sxga+ on the nc8000 is quite a bit better than the xga on the nc6000. The contrast is 300:1 vs 250:1 and the view angle is much better. The +15 degrees vertical view angle on the nc6000 could be annoying. To me contrast is the largest overall factor in how good a lcd screen looks. Really wide viewing angles are only important if you plan to watch movies with friends on it or things like that. Overall, I would say that the nc8000 sxga+ screen is high quality (probably a samsung).

The standard 3-year warranty on the hp is also nice. Not sure if you can get something like that on an odm like the asus. But the hp business service is probably good in general. Companies always treat business customers better than standard consumers I've found.
post #123 of 158
Thread Starter 
Thanks, I am adding it all up, and considering the difference in price, etc. and plan to put this to rest one way or another by Friday afternoon.
Andrew
Austin, TX

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Originally Posted by koumajutsu
Yeah, the sxga+ on the nc8000 is quite a bit better than the xga on the nc6000. The contrast is 300:1 vs 250:1 and the view angle is much better. The +15 degrees vertical view angle on the nc6000 could be annoying. To me contrast is the largest overall factor in how good a lcd screen looks. Really wide viewing angles are only important if you plan to watch movies with friends on it or things like that. Overall, I would say that the nc8000 sxga+ screen is high quality (probably a samsung).

The standard 3-year warranty on the hp is also nice. Not sure if you can get something like that on an odm like the asus. But the hp business service is probably good in general. Companies always treat business customers better than standard consumers I've found.
post #124 of 158
yes you can do that on an asus for about $150 which is very good compared to other systems.
post #125 of 158
h0lywars...how does the audio DJ thing work on the side of the M6? Can you disable it? Do you accidently start it playing while carrying it?
post #126 of 158
Dude just get a 15 inch powerbook. Problem solved.
post #127 of 158
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Sorry, I am not an "Apple person". No Apples need apply.
Andrew
Austin, TX

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Originally Posted by smakdown61
Dude just get a 15 inch powerbook. Problem solved.
post #128 of 158
been, there's a switch underneath it to turn it on and off so you don't need to worry about it accidentally starting up by itself.
post #129 of 158
thanks rahulk
post #130 of 158
Quote:
Originally Posted by aamsel
I hear you!
I am thinking seriously about the WXGA ASUS and the SXGA+ HP n8000.
Also, I am looking at HP's and other sites to see if there are any WXGA 15.4's with decent video cards that I have overlooked IN THE PAST 6 WEEKS (I kinda doubt it).
If there is anything out there you think I have not noticed, please let me know, because I am about to end this, THIS WEEK, one way or another.

Andrew
Austin, TX
Have you taken a look at the Gateway m505x? Using one now and it's pretty nice. wxga 15.4", Radeon 9600, 5 hrs battery life, awesome speakers + subwoofer, slot load dvd/cdrw, fairly thin and light (at least compared to the nc8000), runs cool and dead silent, even while gaming. Also one of the few notebooks to have 4 pin and 6 pin firewire.
post #131 of 158
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It looks very nice, and might be perfect.
However, they only seem to offer a Pentium-M 1.4 and only 512MB (2X256MB), 1 hard drive, etc. I really planned on having a Dothan 1.7 735 and 1GB ram in whatever I get. Sorry, but I just never have been truly inspired by Gateway's offerings. Thanks for mentioning it, however.

I guess what I am saying is, if I wanted that, I should really want the ASUS, which I think would be the better unit for me.

Still, I am just about "set" on the HP nc8000, even though it is heavier than what I really wanted (darn it!!)

But, is the ASUS really lighter than the HP or just thinner?? I will triple-check.
The problem with posted weights is that you never know what they include. Is the weight with or without the battery, optical drive, etc. etc.
Kind of annoying, really, from a consumer's standpoint.

Andrew
Austin, TX

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Originally Posted by flashram
Have you taken a look at the Gateway m505x? Using one now and it's pretty nice. wxga 15.4", Radeon 9600, 5 hrs battery life, awesome speakers + subwoofer, slot load dvd/cdrw, fairly thin and light (at least compared to the nc8000), runs cool and dead silent, even while gaming. Also one of the few notebooks to have 4 pin and 6 pin firewire.
post #132 of 158
What "strikes" does the ASUS have going against it?

Is it the widescreen monitor?

I was able configure an m6bne with

60 Gb 7200 rpm drive
1 gig
1.7 dothan

for 2000.00 even at RJtech.

Thats a fabulous deal, the Mitac 8050 costs roughly the same amount but has the extra 64 megs of vram.

It seems the likely hood of getting a high quality widescreen display is much better than getting a regular aspect display which will suffer from one of the following:

1. poor viewing angles
2. horrible glare
3. horrible ghosting
4. excessive cost
5. stupidly small resolution

While widescreen displays that suffer from none of the above are fairly common.

The video card and screen are essentially the 2 things that you are stuck with when you buy a laptop, so I fully understand the importance of making a wise choice in this catagory. Best of luck!
post #133 of 158
Thread Starter 
You are pretty much correct.
That is why my other choice is the HP nc8000, which only (as far as I know) suffers from #4 below (cost). It has good viewing angles, no glare, no ghosting (that I am aware of).
All along in my "ever lengthening process" I have wanted super-high quality of components and construction, cool/lightweight, and great screen (not a SONY Xbrite type with glare). I thought I might have want I wanted in the IBM T42, but found out it suffered from #3 below, in addition to #4.

But, am I guaranteed that I will get an ASUS widescreen that is bright, evenly lit, good focus at all areas, and blacks that look black? I don't know that. If I am, then I am about ready to order.

Also, I have said this before, but I would almost rather have the Mitac 8050 than the ASUS, due to the video card and its good looks (I know, a matter of opinion), but I just don't know that Mitac is a good company waiting to serve me if I have problems with it??? Does anyone know that??? I believe they are the same company, or the parent of the company that produced Tyan motherboards??? Not sure. As I have said, a trip to their websites does not inspire confidence in a purchase. Someone tell me I am wrong, and why???

Andrew
Austin, TX



Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinner6
...It seems the likely hood of getting a high quality widescreen display is much better than getting a regular aspect display which will suffer from one of the following:
1. poor viewing angles
2. horrible glare
3. horrible ghosting
4. excessive cost
5. stupidly small resolution
While widescreen displays that suffer from none of the above are fairly common...
post #134 of 158
Quote:
Originally Posted by aamsel

But, am I guaranteed that I will get an ASUS widescreen that is bright, evenly lit, good focus at all areas, and blacks that look black? I don't know that. If I am, then I am about ready to order.
are u guarnteed to get that on the nc8000? Ive read almost this whole post man and seriously...u need to just make a decision. nothing in life is a "guarntee" and no laptop is "perfect" ...i think u will be completely satisfied wethter u go with the ASUS or the HP. If it were me i'd go with ASUS. But thats me
post #135 of 158
I am right there with you aamsel, it's between the Mitac and the ASUS.

One thing worth noting:

I have yet to see a vendor of the asus that will accept a return of a defective unit. If you read the fine print they all refer you to ASUS for warranty service, whereas vendors like rjtech (who offers both units at the same price) will accept a return of the Mitac unit. So in some ways the Mitac is LESS risky especially in the event of a DOA, you can just send it back. The reviews here have been positive for both units.

As best as I can ascertain the units use Samsung (mitac) and Phillips (asus) screens. I am under the impression that the samsung is a slightly nicer screen, but scouring the web I have yet to find a single complaint about either of these WXGA screens, while ALL 15.1'' screens have their detractors. For me this counts for alot.

Personally, I am beginning to lean toward Mitac just because I get the additional VRAM, and in a year I think I may regret having chosen a 64 meg card, despite my attraction to the looks and brand name of the ASUS. As far as the HP goes....I find it "uninspiring" on a persaonal level. Its gives me the same feeling as early Volvos...mechanically sound, superiaor safetly, but ZERO sex appeal. Silly thing I know, but then,thats just me.
post #136 of 158
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Originally Posted by CrazyNinja
are u guarnteed to get that on the nc8000? Ive read almost this whole post man and seriously...u need to just make a decision. nothing in life is a "guarntee" and no laptop is "perfect" ...i think u will be completely satisfied wethter u go with the ASUS or the
HP. If it were me i'd go with ASUS. But thats me
Yes, you will get that with an HP nc8000. I had one and the screen is excellent, as are all the Wide View Angle screens that HP has. For the price though, I think you should go for the Asus with wxga screen. There are numerous resellers that sell the Asus and have good return policies if you aren't happy.
post #137 of 158
Thread Starter 
If I don't get it on the HP, it would go back for a refund, and HP even pays the return shipping!!! So, no worries, except that I absolutely hate returning anything that I purchase off the web.

I don't expect anything to be perfect, and I do expect to be satisfied when it is done.

If you had followed my "trials and tribulations" you would have seen that I was 100 percent sold on the IBM T42, until the crappy review was posted. I had a call in to the sales guy yesterday, waiting on his return call to place the order, when I saw that rcd's T42 was on the truck for delivery. So I waited a day, and am GLAD that I did!!

I will make a decision, and will have a product ordered by Monday morning, guaranteed!! Yeah, I took far too long, but I have no problems with it, in that I have learned a ton about notebooks that I didn't know before. I know lots about desktops and servers, but, until now, notebooks had a certain mystique about them, like they were "assembled by leprechauns" or something!!!

Andrew
Austin, TX




Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyNinja
are u guarnteed to get that on the nc8000? Ive read almost this whole post man and seriously...u need to just make a decision. nothing in life is a "guarntee" and no laptop is "perfect" ...i think u will be completely satisfied wethter u go with the ASUS or the HP. If it were me i'd go with ASUS. But thats me
post #138 of 158
haha yea i actually saw u dead set on the IBM'er but i was too lazy to post anything about it.....i def would have said no (response time, and price)...but other people told u that and u read the review so...

i was just waiting for someone to mention the ASUS cuz i knew it would thrrow another curve ball at ya . I personally think the ASUS is dead sexy and like i said before that would be my pick over the HP....but i think i am going to go with the Mitac only because of the extra VRAM. I was soooo dissapointed when ASUS decided to only go with the 64 as i would be using the lappy primarly for gaming, but what are u gonna do....the Mitac is not as sexy but its got the better GPU and the screen should be about the same from what ive read. Im also gonna buy it barebones and put it together my self
post #139 of 158
Thread Starter 
Is that true?? Samsung (Mitac) and Phillips (ASUS) for the 15.4's???
Can this be confirmed?? Are there specs on either listed???

"it's between the Mitac and the ASUS."???????
Well, it was between the HP and the ASUS 10 minutes ago (for me)!!!!
Well, not exactly sure how Mitac got back "onto my list" since I was choosing between the ASUS and the HP nc8000, but....what the heck. I will check into your statement that the Mitac can be returned, or can you post a link to that documentation???

As for the lack of sex-appeal, and the HP being "Volvo-like" I wish I could disagree with you. You are right, the screen and keyboard are the only truly appealing factors to me. Otherwise it is too thick and heavy for my true taste.

Thanks for your input. Please post any other thoughts that you have.
I WILL get there by (or before) Monday am!!!

Andrew
Austin, TX




Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinner6
I am right there with you aamsel, it's between the Mitac and the ASUS.

One thing worth noting:

I have yet to see a vendor of the asus that will accept a return of a defective unit. If you read the fine print they all refer you to ASUS for warranty service, whereas vendors like rjtech (who offers both units at the same price) will accept a return of the Mitac unit. So in some ways the Mitac is LESS risky especially in the event of a DOA, you can just send it back. The reviews here have been positive for both units.

As best as I can ascertain the units use Samsung (mitac) and Phillips (asus) screens. I am under the impression that the samsung is a slightly nicer screen, but scouring the web I have yet to find a single complaint about either of these WXGA screens, while ALL 15.1'' screens have their detractors. For me this counts for alot.

Personally, I am beginning to lean toward Mitac just because I get the additional VRAM, and in a year I think I may regret having chosen a 64 meg card, despite my attraction to the looks and brand name of the ASUS. As far as the HP goes....I find it "uninspiring" on a persaonal level. Its gives me the same feeling as early Volvos...mechanically sound, superiaor safetly, but ZERO sex appeal. Silly thing I know, but then,thats just me.
post #140 of 158
Thread Starter 
I am putting that down as one (experienced) vote for the ASUS!!??
(damn, I am so glad you didn't say MITAC also!!!, it is one really nice looking notebook, with a company that does not seem to have enough of a web-presence, maybe they are fantastic, I have no way of knowing, and I don't know how anybody buying one could know what they were really getting, until they have a problem) (how's that for a run-on sentence?????)
Andrew
Austin, TX



Quote:
Originally Posted by flashram
Yes, you will get that with an HP nc8000. I had one and the screen is excellent, as are all the Wide View Angle screens that HP has. For the price though, I think you should go for the Asus with wxga screen. There are numerous resellers that sell the Asus and have good return policies if you aren't happy.
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