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post #81 of 158
6/15/04 at 2:06pm
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Originally Posted by turanuk
yeah but its' the same company, so meh. They just change the chassis to fool people.
I didn't mean prefer one between HP and Compaq, I was talking about ALL notebooks manufacturers. Sheesh...

And HP/Compaq do offer different notebooks, it is not just a different chassis.
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post #82 of 158
6/15/04 at 2:16pm
Thread Starter 
Some of the systems are actually different between the two companies.
Compaq is still held out to be the "business" side of the operation, kinda like Latitude is for Dell. The business models, like the nc6000 and nc8000 are sold as Compaq's and the same chassis is NOT sold as an HP. So, it is kinda like a Chrysler/Plymouth/Dodge deal, but not really.
Some models just have the different trim and label and some do not.
However, lets not totally trash the outfit.
If rcd does not totally love his T42, I will still probably be ordering an nc6000 or nc8000.
I am still concerned about the T42 15" Flexview display, and that rcd has already seen some ghosting on his.
Cheers!!
Andrew
Austin, TX
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post #83 of 158
6/15/04 at 2:38pm
I went to my school's computer store recently to order my own t42p (14 inch screen) and was able to view a t42 with the 15 inch flexview next to an nc8000. The flexview screen looks ALOT brighter and sharper than the hp screen (although the hp screen looks pretty good for a non IPS screen). Not to mention the viewing angles are much larger. I saw no ghosting what so ever when playing around with it. But I only had a chance to surf the internet and use some office programs so i really can't say if there will be ghosting in games (go to forum.thinkpads.com there are several threads on ghosting in certain games like CS and whatnot). I highly recommend the IBM if you don't plan on playing many games like that and don't mind missing the built in firewire or SD reader. I can't wait for my t42p to get here
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post #84 of 158
6/15/04 at 2:47pm
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Yeah, I still don't know, there are several negatives to the IPS screens, mainly slowness. From what I have read, they were never intended to be used on notebooks, since they require more power. Also, I absolutely hate the way the SONY's and Fujitsu's look, with their glossy finishes, yet people keep saying that the Flexview is different.

However, you ordered a T42p, which is NOT FLEXVIEW!!!

Andrew
Austin, TX
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post #85 of 158
6/15/04 at 5:51pm
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Originally Posted by aamsel
Yeah, I still don't know, there are several negatives to the IPS screens, mainly slowness. From what I have read, they were never intended to be used on notebooks, since they require more power. Also, I absolutely hate the way the SONY's and Fujitsu's look, with their glossy finishes, yet people keep saying that the Flexview is different.

However, you ordered a T42p, which is NOT FLEXVIEW!!!

Andrew
Austin, TX
Yes, i did order a t42p which is not flexview mainly because i don't want the increased size of the 15 inch screen. My opinion is not based on what i've read but what i've seen and I HAVE SEEN THE FLEXVIEW SCREEN NEXT TO A NC8000 and like i said before i thought the flexview looked MUCH sharper and brighter and there was NO GHOSTING for any of the applications i used on it (mainly office programs and whatnot). Certainly no ghosting of the mouse icon. I also watched a short movie clip of my school and didn't notice any ghosting during that either. The only thing i have heard of ghosting was from a few games but i can't say for sure because i havn't seen those with my own eyes. like i said before go to forum.thinkpads.com and search for flexview to get opinions of how it looks.
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post #86 of 158
6/15/04 at 5:57pm

your system isnt for heavy gaming anyway right aamsel
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post #87 of 158
6/15/04 at 6:51pm
Thread Starter 
No, but here is the problem that I see:

I have used standard notebook LCD screens in the past, and a Samsung 191T at home and a Dell 192FP at work. Those are the onlly LCD's I have used to any extent.
I know that the original negative of IPS technology LCD's was their slowness. This has been dramatically improved in desktop models, but 60MS RESPONSE!!!??? I can't believe that a screen that slow wouldn't exhibit ghosting in more than just a few FPS intensive games. I would think it would be visible in DVD playback, etc.
I have read every thread that can be read at the thinkpad forums and everywhere, but the reviews of the T42 15" with Flexview are just very, very mixed. Some people see a good bit of ghosting, and some don't. The ones that don't just may not be observant.
Now, I would find it troublesome that IBM would release a mainstream notebook with a problematic display, but then, IBM intended this notebook for "business use".
Most of my use would be classified as "business use" but I do intend to play some games and use it for a variety of full-motion video and DVD playback.

Also, stuff that you can do in "heavy gaming" could be the equivilent to video stuff that I would want to do in the next six-months to two years that I would have the notebook

So, I sit waiting for one more person's opinion of the system before placing an order.

I am at the point of ordering one, just to see it myself, but, to be honest, I REALLY HATE to do that!!

Andrew
Austin, TX


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Originally Posted by Aikeo

your system isnt for heavy gaming anyway right aamsel
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post #88 of 158
6/15/04 at 8:11pm
aamsel,
If you get an IBM w/flexview let's meet to compare the screen to my NW8000. If it's really, REALLY that much nicer I may sell my HP and buy one of those! It would have to be significantly better to get me to change, though. I really like this machine.
Leonard
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post #89 of 158
6/15/04 at 8:14pm
If you really want to be sure of your decision i suggest actually finding a t42 somewhere to look at before you make your choice. Thats the only sure proof way to get what you want. I see you live in Austin, Texas so i would suggest finding a big university somewhere nearby and see if their bookstore has any on display.
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post #90 of 158
6/15/04 at 8:29pm
Thread Starter 
They don't.
I checked the University of Texas computer store.
They stock Apples, and they can order IBM's, they have nothing on display.

HAS ANY FORUM MEMBER IN AUSTIN RECEIVED A T42 15" ???

Andrew
Austin, TX

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Originally Posted by smakdown61
If you really want to be sure of your decision i suggest actually finding a t42 somewhere to look at before you make your choice. Thats the only sure proof way to get what you want. I see you live in Austin, Texas so i would suggest finding a big university somewhere nearby and see if their bookstore has any on display.
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post #91 of 158
6/15/04 at 8:29pm
Yeah, aamsel, know of any big universities in or around Austin. Hmm, let's think.....
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post #92 of 158
6/15/04 at 8:31pm
the university of...it starts with a t...its on the tip of a tounge...damnit i can't think of it
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post #93 of 158
6/15/04 at 8:38pm
yeah yeah, and their sports teams are called the bighorns, or the longnecks, or something like that. And they have the second largest endowment of any univ. in the entire country! (I think Harvard is numero uno this year)
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post #94 of 158
6/15/04 at 8:40pm
what is the student population at UT? like 40 million or something? i heard a lot of attractive people though, so that's a perk
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post #95 of 158
6/15/04 at 8:43pm
And their former track coach (and wife and daughter), who moved to Indiana Univ. a few years ago, just left my house in Austin a few hours ago after being in town for Track nationals for a few days. We loved seeing them again!
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post #96 of 158
6/15/04 at 8:45pm
been606,
Not sure of total student population this year, but well over 100k I imagine.
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post #97 of 158
6/15/04 at 8:49pm
Thread Starter 

I am not getting a 15" T42 with Flexview

rcd just posted his review of his new T42 with Flexview:
(excerpts are quoted below)
Since he says he is keeping it, I have wished him well with it.

However,
I am NOT going to be buying one.

I am quite sure that I would be bothered by this type of screen issue.
I am rethinking the whole darned thing again.
Trying to decide if this means I HAVE to buy the HP nc8000 or nc6000.
(no, I do quite realize that I am not being forced into anything, but I need a notebook NOW with a REALLY nice, normal screen. The T42 reviewed below does not sound "nice and normal" by my standards.)

Andrew
Austin, TX



Quote:
Originally Posted by rcd
...dvd playback:
not horrible, but playback does ghost a lot during movement. like if someone turns his head on a close up things get very blury. or when people are walking. i'll get pictures soon. it's annoying, but bearable for me because i don't plan on watching dvds on it often...ghosting is a problem though. it shows up pretty badly in dvd playback, and games. in office use it only really shows up when you move windows, the window's contents get blury. no glare. err... i shouldn't say no glare, when the screen is all black and i hold my hand near it i can see a small tan blob on the screen, but i wasn't just looking for glare, i was trying to invent it in that case i guess...
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post #98 of 158
6/15/04 at 8:53pm
is the only thing holding you back from an aopen1557g or compalcl56 the screen?

and the asusm6ne the no return if less than 5 dead pixel?
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post #99 of 158
6/15/04 at 9:16pm
Thread Starter 
I don't want a notebook with a "decent" screen.

Having a really nice display is the most important factor to me.
My desired features are, and have been:
1.) Really top quality display
2.) Really top quality fit and finish of construction
3.) Decent keyboard
4.) Lightweight

The nc8000 probably meets all of the qualifications, except being lightweight.
The nc6000 would meet all of them, except that I would have to get it in regular old XGA. NO WAY I can do SXGA+ on a 14.1". No way. And, the nc6000 is barely smaller than the nc8000, and is thicker than a Thinkpad, it just weighs less. I almost don't even care about the video card anymore.

I have never had any interest in any of the three notebooks you mention below other than the ASUS. I have found several ways that you can be assured of an ASUS with no dead pixels, but I have no idea how the widescreen or SXGA+ screen looks on them either. At least I know it is a "normal" LCD, and not a darned IPS technology display.

Andrew
Austin, TX

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Originally Posted by rincewind
is the only thing holding you back from an aopen1557g or compalcl56 the screen?

and the asusm6ne the no return if less than 5 dead pixel?
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post #100 of 158
6/15/04 at 9:22pm
Unfortunately you cannot have the best of both worlds with a laptop lcd. The technology used in desktop displays to provide insanely high brightness/contrast and response time simply takes up too much power and space to be used in a portable laptop. You're either going to have to go with an ips screen and get high brightness/contrast/viewing angle but high response time, or the older lcd technology that gives lower response at the cost of the other three. The main consideration is which of these aspects of a lcd is most important to you.

Also, I can find a link to the exact specs on the ibm and hp lcds used on those models if you would like. You will find that each has its own advantages and disadvantages.

Hope this helps.
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