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post #21 of 35
6/15/04 at 7:31pm
Yeah, actually, I had "dug up" your threads earlier, that's why I asked.
It looked like you would be thinking about doing some video watching, and some games, so I just wondered. Everyone asks "are you a heavy gamer" but that would seem to be irrelivent...if you play once in awhile and the thing ghosts like crazy, you would still have a big problem, right.
As for not knowing the difference between 60ms and 20ms, I would say that it is HUGE.
But again, I am still waiting for a review that says a.) there is NO problem, or b.) there is a definate problem. Seems like rcd saw ghosting already.
Andrew
Austin, TX

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Originally Posted by kangazoom
aamsel -- yes, i am aware of the ghosting. my intended use for this notebook...
http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=24749
http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=23700

Those are two threads I started that state my intended use.

The reported 60ms did not and does not scare me off, because I am not computer savvy enough to know how terrible that is compared to oh, say 20ms. Basically, it means very little to me at the moment. Of course, if the 60ms becomes an issue once I get the laptop (i.e. ghosting is annoying and noticeable while doing ordinary tasks / watching DVDs) then I will return the laptop -- and a lesson about refresh rates will be learned.
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post #22 of 35
6/15/04 at 7:45pm
Ah, okay, I see.

Basically, I decided to just bite the bullet and order the damn thing. I kept reading posts that were like, "OMG 60MS?! THATZ TEH SUCK" and "60MS ISN'T *THAT* BAD, K, GUYZ?! CHILL!!!" ... so I just sort of threw my hands up into the air and decided to see for myself.

As for not being a heavy gamer -- first of all, this whole board is geared towards gamers, which is why gaming is such a huge priority here. I mean, there are a good number of users who don't game, but um I mean the first two words of the board's title are, "gaming laptops."

If I play a game every once in a while and it DOES ghost, I probably won't care too much for the simple reason that I am not a heavy gamer. I think it's been stated before that heavy gamers are also quite picky about their games (i'm just regurgitating what other gamers themselves have posted; i'm not hatin' on the gamers! ) Therefore, as a person who barely games at all, I doubt I'll be as picky.

It sounds like you're quite picky as well, so this may be a completely different story for you. But that's just me.

I can live without gaming, but if the DVDs ghost, then I will have a problem.

Good luck, aamsel

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Originally Posted by aamsel
Yeah, actually, I had "dug up" your threads earlier, that's why I asked.
It looked like you would be thinking about doing some video watching, and some games, so I just wondered. Everyone asks "are you a heavy gamer" but that would seem to be irrelivent...if you play once in awhile and the thing ghosts like crazy, you would still have a big problem, right.
As for not knowing the difference between 60ms and 20ms, I would say that it is HUGE.
But again, I am still waiting for a review that says a.) there is NO problem, or b.) there is a definate problem. Seems like rcd saw ghosting already.
Andrew
Austin, TX
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post #23 of 35
6/15/04 at 8:02pm
Thread Starter 
here's the review, sorry for taking so long. no pictures yet.

http://notebookforums.com/showthread...366#post282366
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post #24 of 35
6/15/04 at 8:38pm
As for the T42 with Flexview:
Since you said you are keeping it, I hope that you TRULY enjoy it!!
(I mean that sincerely)
I really appreciate your posting your review so quickly.
However,
I am NOT getting one.
I am quite sure that I would be bothered by this type of screen issue.
Andrew
Austin, TX



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Originally Posted by rcd
...dvd playback:
not horrible, but playback does ghost a lot during movement. like if someone turns his head on a close up things get very blury. or when people are walking. i'll get pictures soon. it's annoying, but bearable for me because i don't plan on watching dvds on it often...ghosting is a problem though. it shows up pretty badly in dvd playback, and games. in office use it only really shows up when you move windows, the window's contents get blury. no glare. err... i shouldn't say no glare, when the screen is all black and i hold my hand near it i can see a small tan blob on the screen, but i wasn't just looking for glare, i was trying to invent it in that case i guess...
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post #25 of 35
6/15/04 at 9:51pm
aamsel, why is the 14.1 SXGA+ out of the question for you? You know that it is NOT flexview, right? And you can get the same specs as the DXU in a smaller form factor.
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post #26 of 35
6/15/04 at 9:56pm
Because I have been to the stores and looked at them, and I also borrowed a couple SXGA+ notebooks for a couple days. SXGA+ on a 15" is just fine, but on a 14.1" it is just too darned small for me.
And, yes, I know you can "blow things up" in Windows, but it just doesn't work on a 14.1".
And the XGA Thinkpads have Radeon 7500's.
Andrew
Austin, TX

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Originally Posted by benz
aamsel, why is the 14.1 SXGA+ out of the question for you? You know that it is NOT flexview, right? And you can get the same specs as the DXU in a smaller form factor.
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post #27 of 35
6/15/04 at 11:00pm
aamsell,
I am not intimately familiar with your reason for Thinkpad choice, but did you consider the NC8000. If so, why did you exclude it? I am a staunch proponent of HP/Compaq business computers. I love there business support and warranty service as well. Just curious.

Edit: I forgot to add that I have read no reports of ghosting, and this screen is wide viewing angle as well.a
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post #28 of 35
6/15/04 at 11:09pm
The nc8000 is what I am considering right now. My first choice would have been the IBM if there had not been ghosting with it.
The nc8000 is a little heavier than what I originally wanted, but it may work out fine. I hope to decide on something by tomorrow, because I NEED TO!!
Andrew
Austin, TX

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Originally Posted by aadadams
aamsell,
I am not intimately familiar with your reason for Thinkpad choice, but did you consider the NC8000. If so, why did you exclude it? I am a staunch proponent of HP/Compaq business computers. I love there business support and warranty service as well. Just curious.

Edit: I forgot to add that I have read no reports of ghosting, and this screen is wide viewing angle as well.a
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post #29 of 35
6/15/04 at 11:24pm
If you still wanted a 15" SXGA+ i think some of the R-series models have it, but without Flexview. not too sure about this, but have you considered them?
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post #30 of 35
6/16/04 at 12:00am
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Originally Posted by aamsel
The nc8000 is what I am considering right now. My first choice would have been the IBM if there had not been ghosting with it.
The nc8000 is a little heavier than what I originally wanted, but it may work out fine. I hope to decide on something by tomorrow, because I NEED TO!!
Andrew
Austin, TX
I tossed my laptop purchase around for some time. I always wanted an IBM purely because of the reputationvand the old "the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence" saying. I have owned an Armada E500, Presario 2800, Evo N800c, and as of yesterday (Ordered, not recieved) an NC8000.
1.8 GHz
512 MB
60 GB HD 5400 (I hate noise)
128 MB Radeon 9600
WLAN a/b/g
DVD+RW (fixed) and I already have an identical modular DVD+RW
15" UXGA WVA
HP protect tools (Don't know what this is but it was cheap)
Passive smart card reader
Bluetooth
and etc.

In my experiences over the past 7 years or so I have not been disappointed in product or service from Compaq or HP/Compaq. The consumer side of HP/Compaq is not stellar, but the business side I give two big thumbs up. I can buy through state contract (WSCA) from either vendor with steep discounts, and I am going back to HP/Compaq. The IBM discount is 25% off retail for premium laptops. Compaq only gives about 12%, but it works out about the same due to the initial price points of each vendor. Oh and NO TAX.
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post #31 of 35
6/16/04 at 12:57am
No, because they don't have good video cards.
Andrew
Austin, TX

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Originally Posted by benz
If you still wanted a 15" SXGA+ i think some of the R-series models have it, but without Flexview. not too sure about this, but have you considered them?
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post #32 of 35
6/16/04 at 1:00am
I appreciate your input. I am going to call HP with a couple questions in the morning. Then, I will make a decision.
Andrew
Austin, TX

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Originally Posted by aadadams
I tossed my laptop purchase around for some time. I always wanted an IBM purely because of the reputationvand the old "the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence" saying. I have owned an Armada E500, Presario 2800, Evo N800c, and as of yesterday (Ordered, not recieved) an NC8000.
1.8 GHz
512 MB
60 GB HD 5400 (I hate noise)
128 MB Radeon 9600
WLAN a/b/g
DVD+RW (fixed) and I already have an identical modular DVD+RW
15" UXGA WVA
HP protect tools (Don't know what this is but it was cheap)
Passive smart card reader
Bluetooth
and etc.

In my experiences over the past 7 years or so I have not been disappointed in product or service from Compaq or HP/Compaq. The consumer side of HP/Compaq is not stellar, but the business side I give two big thumbs up. I can buy through state contract (WSCA) from either vendor with steep discounts, and I am going back to HP/Compaq. The IBM discount is 25% off retail for premium laptops. Compaq only gives about 12%, but it works out about the same due to the initial price points of each vendor. Oh and NO TAX.
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post #33 of 35
6/16/04 at 1:49am
oh okay thought the dxu had 9700. at least that makes me feel better that canada isn't getting as shafted as it is.

yah i mentioned why its not worth it and obviously you can't get teh 2379-DXU for the same price in Canada (if at all) as previously mentioned.. its not like i'm trying hard to get ripped off!!! LOL
500+ add the battery + shipping .. and you get the canada premium

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Originally Posted by aamsel
OK, first off:
1.) There are NO 9700 cards on ANY IBM Thinkpad, period. The fastest video cards are 64MB 9600 or 128MB Fire2GL (9600 with drivers optimized for OpenGL).
No 9700's at all.
2.) That system (that you gave the link to) is the same as the 2379-DXU except: 1.8 Dothan instead of 1.7, 80GB 5400 instead of 60GB 7200, and the price is more than $500 USD more than the 2379-DXU. I would say it is definately not worth it, and I would get the 2379-DXU instead.
(assuming that you want a 15" T42 with Flexview 1400X1050 model).
Hope this helps you!!
Andrew
Austin, TX
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post #34 of 35
6/16/04 at 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by aamsel
I appreciate your input. I am going to call HP with a couple questions in the morning. Then, I will make a decision.
Andrew
Austin, TX
Hi aamsel.

HP nc6000 if you want sacrifice some power for mobility and if you are ok with XGA

HP nc8000 if you want a more powerful machine, sacrificing some mobility

If I'd have to choose between them, I'd take nc6000 for business presentations and DVD watching on the move (mobility) and nc8000 for video editing purposes (firewire, larger screen). That's the things I need lappys at work. Gaming would be ok with both, since all games I play, such as WarCraft III, seem to work well even with Intel 830GM chipset (got one on HP Omnibook xt6050; 4.9 lbs, btw).

Hope it helped you, aamsel,

Tommi
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post #35 of 35
6/16/04 at 1:48pm
Thanks.
I am considering both HP's and the ASUS M6Ne.
(I think I am WELL aware of the pros and cons of all of them)
Andrew
Austin, TX
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