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Need help deciding on a processor.

post #1 of 39
Thread Starter 
I'm doing some research basically for the laptop I plan on buying this August or so, and I'm debating on processors right now.

The choices are an AMD Athlon 64 3400+ @ 2.20Ghz or an Intel Pentium 4 3.06Ghz w/HT.

So given those two, which is going to give me better overall performance for stuff like playing games, watching DVD's, using programs like Photoshop, normal browsing, etc. etc.
post #2 of 39
I would vote for the AMD64, especially for gaming.
post #3 of 39
AMD64 > 3.06GHz

Just my .02
post #4 of 39
the athlon64 is an incredible processor. The 3400+ means it compares to the 3.4GHz P4. Not to mention it has a 1600mhz fsb compared to the 800mhz of the P4. It even offers ~3hr battery life.
post #5 of 39
ehhhh the p-rating is a little stretched...
post #6 of 39
Thread Starter 
So even at just 2.20Ghz raw speed I assume, its going to perform most things quicker and faster than a P4 3.06?
post #7 of 39
definitely. An in depth explanation to follow after I go pis.
post #8 of 39
man I'd explain but I don't want to type. Stupid intel marketing screwing up peoples' minds...
post #9 of 39
yeah, its not an easy explanation...maybe tourney is explaining it as we speak
post #10 of 39
Thread Starter 
Can't wait to hear this explanation lol
post #11 of 39
srry guys, just having a little conversation with my dad. I'm working on it right now.
post #12 of 39
when a cpu receives info, it essentially "chops" it up into little pieces and sends the pieces through a thing called a pipeline to be processed. The longer the pipeline of a processor, the faster each stage in the pipeline can be completed because there are more stages to share the work. A P4 has a very long pipeline. The reasoning is simply: Intel needed the P4 to have a long pipelin so that they could reach more GHZ. The new Prescott chip has an even longer pipeline because Intel hopes to reach speeds of 4GHz.
Anyway, in a longer pipeline, data being processed is often thrown out and reprocessed and thus more clock cycles are needed to refill with data when that occurs. Since cpus are much faster than the system memory that sends the information to them, they are forced to "guess" what pieces of info will be sent next. So while the northwood P4's 20 stage pipeline allows for very fast speeds, it takes a performance toll do to incorrect branch predictions (predictions of which info would be sent next from the system memory)
Amd's cpus have much smaller pipelines. THe Athlon64 only has a 12 stage pipeline and thus when it guesses what info will be sent next incorrectly, it's performance is not hurt as much. Since info doesn't need to pass through as many stages per clock cycle, the processor can often perform faster. This is why an Amd running at a lower clock speed can still offer the same performance as a faster P4. Here's a real-life example:

AMD: A boy runs at a steady rate of 10mph to run a distance of twenty yards.
Intel: A boy runs at a steady rate of 20mph to run a distance of forty yards.

The larger the cache of a processor, then the more accurate its branch predictions should be. I hope everything I wrote is correct.
post #13 of 39
One more thing:
The reason why the Pentium M and Dothan are able to compete with much faster P4's is due to their shorter pipelines. they are essentially like AMD's processors.
post #14 of 39
Thread Starter 
Ahhh I see. I think I understand that pretty well. Since the AMD has a larger Cache, its branch predictions are more accurate thus making it able to predict things easier and getting stuff done quicker.

Am I on the right track?
post #15 of 39
apparently you don't understand. its about the same as far as time is concerned, just different architecture
post #16 of 39
Nope. The Prescott now has an upgraded L2 cache of 1mb which is the same as the Athlon64 thus there really isn't any advantage when it comes to branch predictions.
Take a look at the real-life situation again. The AMD's pipeline is shorter than that of the Intel's. So although the AMD is working at a slower rate, it has less distance to cover and thus can process info at the same rate of a P4 working much faster, but forced to cover more ground.
But a large cache always helps
post #17 of 39
Thread Starter 
Oh, okay, sorry. I'm not too good with the technical details of processors.
post #18 of 39
Now you are. Hopefully.
post #19 of 39
and if not, we will beat you within an inch of your life...j/k...two inches actually
post #20 of 39
i am grabbing a AMD64 3200+ probobly in my compaq that i want to order in about a month. (lol..beats the living crap out of the 2.4 Celeron i originaly was thinking about if i was to get a Dell Inspiron 1150). And i honestly think, that with my new lappy I can smoke my desktop (its a P3..duh!), my friends "gaming" VPR Matrix desktop and all the other desktops and laptops in my suburb. INTEL fans will be kissing my AMD-using arse!
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