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post #21 of 39
wait till a compal56 owner moves onto your block.
post #22 of 39
I've seen some benchmarks that put the 2.0ghz dothan right up there w/ an A64 3400+. Anyone have any experience w/ this? I'm planning on getting a laptop about the same time as brokenxero and have been looking at procs as well. At first i really wanted an A64... but the dothan reviews have looked good too. Any suggestions here (especially concerning gaming performance)?
post #23 of 39
if ur concerned about gaming performance u should look into getting a laptop with the mobility 9700 with the highest default clock

the 5690 has the highest default clocked 9700 card and scores very high out of the box and overclocked
post #24 of 39
hey rince you leave your CL56 overclocked?
post #25 of 39
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AMD Athlon 64 3400+ @ 2.20Ghz or an Intel Pentium 4 3.06Ghz w/HT
Seeing it says "3.06 Ghz", that means 533 mhz fsb, right? As far as I remember, it does, but that could be wrong . Regardless of the FSB, though, I would hit the AMD. Not only does it do excessively well right now, its features will only continue to be unlocked (SP2 and then the full XP64). To me, this is the best investment you could ever put in a computer, a processor that will peak later in its life instead of when you buy it...and besides, buying an AMD will make you feel all warm and googly inside ...
post #26 of 39
no i dont leave it oc'ed

dont feel the neeed to as all my games run great w/ max details on
post #27 of 39
that's what i thought you had said before, but you signature shows the O/Ced benchmark results so i got a little confused
post #28 of 39
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i am grabbing a AMD64 3200+
*Sniffle* I don't know what to say! Those words always bring tears to my eyes. If trying to educate a thousand people and just one of them buy an AMD, I know I've done my job.
post #29 of 39
For the nontechnical, a better analogy might be comparing processors to engine RPM. The most important thing is how much work gets done, processor or engine. Going thirty miles per hour in first gear is Intel, going thirty miles per hour in third gear is AMD. The same amount of work is accomplished in either case.
Intel was noisier for a long time about its reved up processors.
post #30 of 39
I still like my analogy!
post #31 of 39
abf...u do understand that i have a comaq and customer support SUCKS. I had 3 problems with it over 2 years, and on my 3rd problem, i decided not to call them and fix it myself...wow, reception to INDIA is s*** and u cant understand the people with fuzzy sounds all over the place...just keep all of this in mind.
post #32 of 39
I did too. But for some on the boards, considering the questions that get asked, it is probably over their heads.
Come to think of it, mine might be over some of their heads too!
post #33 of 39
I am not planning on my system going bad. If I don't like something about it in the first 30 days its going back like there is no tomorrow. I've had a horrible time on the phone with HP tech support and I know they are slow and stupid (the the guy from the iPaq department was an american). Anyway, I will live through that, hopefully the luck i had with my Dells will transfer to my Paq.
post #34 of 39
I've learned that tech support is not a reason to turn down a comp...They all suck, it just depends if you get lucky and talk to the right person...I know I have every time.
post #35 of 39
exactly! if you are getting alot for your money even at the cost of uneducated tech support, who cares. you are buying the computer, not tech support!
post #36 of 39
meh this is part of the reason why 3rd party expensive tech support companies can make money (here in canada anyways). If you hire people who actually know what they are talking about, you will make money because the time people save is worth it.
post #37 of 39
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Originally Posted by Tourney2112
when a cpu receives info, it essentially "chops" it up into little pieces and sends the pieces through a thing called a pipeline to be processed. The longer the pipeline of a processor, the faster each stage in the pipeline can be completed because there are more stages to share the work. A P4 has a very long pipeline. The reasoning is simply: Intel needed the P4 to have a long pipelin so that they could reach more GHZ. The new Prescott chip has an even longer pipeline because Intel hopes to reach speeds of 4GHz.
Anyway, in a longer pipeline, data being processed is often thrown out and reprocessed and thus more clock cycles are needed to refill with data when that occurs. Since cpus are much faster than the system memory that sends the information to them, they are forced to "guess" what pieces of info will be sent next. So while the northwood P4's 20 stage pipeline allows for very fast speeds, it takes a performance toll do to incorrect branch predictions (predictions of which info would be sent next from the system memory)
Amd's cpus have much smaller pipelines. THe Athlon64 only has a 12 stage pipeline and thus when it guesses what info will be sent next incorrectly, it's performance is not hurt as much. Since info doesn't need to pass through as many stages per clock cycle, the processor can often perform faster. This is why an Amd running at a lower clock speed can still offer the same performance as a faster P4. Here's a real-life example:

AMD: A boy runs at a steady rate of 10mph to run a distance of twenty yards.
Intel: A boy runs at a steady rate of 20mph to run a distance of forty yards.

The larger the cache of a processor, then the more accurate its branch predictions should be. I hope everything I wrote is correct.

i dont get it! why dont the pents just make shorter pipelines then? doesn't this mean they aren't even running the same 'race'? its like the pents are running marathons and the amd's are just doing laps! if they ran the same distance, the pents would beat the amds by miles right?
post #38 of 39
Distance maybe, but realize we're just trying to process data. If the data doesn't need to go as far, why make it? That seems to be AMD's idea. Why doesn't Intel shorten their pipeline? How do you think the centrino does as well as it does...But their desktop processor always looks better if it says 3.4 Ghz or 3.6...
post #39 of 39
How do you think the centrino does as well as it does...But their desktop processor always looks better if it says 3.4 Ghz or 3.6



so true

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