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post #1 of 34
6/29/04 at 12:04am
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http://notebookforums.com/showthread...highlight=4790

As if notebook purchasing wasn't mired in so many choices already, here comes some more options. All hail the notebook-buying-indecision-syndrome!

Especially when I see something as ridiculous as this here:
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1 External CRT Port 4790
1 External DVI Port 4750
Is Sager afraid that the 4790 might steal sales away from the 8790?
In terms of notebooks, AMD's tend to be more expensive than an Intel counterpart, theres no way in heck I'd settle for a VIA chipset.
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post #2 of 34
6/29/04 at 12:10am
Can anyone tell me whats wrong with a VIA chipset?
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post #3 of 34
6/29/04 at 12:32am
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Well, i've been burned bad in the past with this shaky chipset from the K7V-KT133 days.
Terrible reliability. Even with an mobo exchange, same memory and voltage problems caused unpredictable system instability. And hence the reluctance till this day. Lower price point does not always mean a better value kids.

Intel chipsets deserve kudos well beyond the Chevy-esque motto: "Like a Rock." Built systems for myself since 97, and have conversed with PC repair consultants who agree that VIA's chipsets tend to be the most problematic.

Your mileage may vary.
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post #4 of 34
6/29/04 at 12:45am
Well, these days the Via chipsets are considered the best for the Athlon 64.
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post #5 of 34
6/29/04 at 12:03pm
I agree, this has got to be the worst and best time to buy a laptop. So much nifty technology yet so many dang options. But between the 4790 and the 4750, the only cause for indecision is do you like amd or intel? i would go with amd because of 64 bit. If you want a lappy that will last more than a year or two, you will need a 64 bit processor. If it werent for that, i would have bought an 8790 months ago.
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post #6 of 34
6/29/04 at 1:03pm
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Originally Posted by kavextrax
http://notebookforums.com/showthread...highlight=4790

As if notebook purchasing wasn't mired in so many choices already, here comes some more options. All hail the notebook-buying-indecision-syndrome!

Especially when I see something as ridiculous as this here:


Is Sager afraid that the 4790 might steal sales away from the 8790?
In terms of notebooks, AMD's tend to be more expensive than an Intel counterpart, theres no way in heck I'd settle for a VIA chipset.

Actually - expect the 4780 to go "bye bye" in the next few weeks/months. It will be replaced by the 4790 much as the 5690 replaced the 5680.

The 4790 poses no threat to the 8790 as functionally the 8790 has so much more to offer.
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post #7 of 34
6/29/04 at 2:37pm

4750 vs 8790

I would really like to know if there are any core differences in utility of the 4750 vs the 8790, at college i think the 4750 would be better for me since i want to take full advantage of the wireless network it has with the 4750's trusty companion amd processor. Is the 8790 better than the 4750 for games, and if so why?
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post #8 of 34
6/29/04 at 3:13pm
To early to tell if one is better than the other considering we have not heard of anyone haveing the 4750. Both units have the internal Wifi. The big differences can be found by comparing the 4780 to the 8790 and then trying to extrapolate what the AMD processor and VIA support Chip Set does when compared to the Intel processor and the SIS Motherboard.
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post #9 of 34
6/29/04 at 3:20pm
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Originally Posted by G-Omaha
The big differences can be found by comparing the 4780 to the 8790 and then trying to extrapolate what the AMD processor and VIA support Chip Set does when compared to the Intel processor and the SIS Motherboard.
Confused. Thought the NP8790 was based on the Intel 865PE chipset (as found here), and not an SIS chipset.

Perhaps was meant to be the NP4790? (which does appear to make use of an SIS chipset)
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post #10 of 34
6/29/04 at 3:23pm
Correct TM. Maybe I wasn't all that clear. I was indicating that the 4780 and the 4750 be compared and not the 8790 (which is by far a better configuration - IMHO).
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post #11 of 34
6/29/04 at 6:10pm
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Originally Posted by Crispy
I would really like to know if there are any core differences in utility of the 4750 vs the 8790, at college i think the 4750 would be better for me since i want to take full advantage of the wireless network it has with the 4750's trusty companion amd processor. Is the 8790 better than the 4750 for games, and if so why?
well the critical components for gaming, cpu and gpu, would be the same on the 8790 and the 4790 so i would expect them to clock very close together. the 4750 however has the amd 64 3400+, and most would agree that amd kicks intel booty when it comes to gaming. i would bet the 4750 pushes 4000 on 3dmark03.
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post #12 of 34
6/29/04 at 6:14pm
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Originally Posted by OGREtheBUFFOON
I agree, this has got to be the worst and best time to buy a laptop. So much nifty technology yet so many dang options. But between the 4790 and the 4750, the only cause for indecision is do you like amd or intel? i would go with amd because of 64 bit. If you want a lappy that will last more than a year or two, you will need a 64 bit processor. If it werent for that, i would have bought an 8790 months ago.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a would a 64-bit processor necessarily require a 64 bit OS and 64-bit Apps? Or is the 64bit architecture downwards compatible, just not optimal in performance, when running current OS's like XP?

I remember the Pentium Pro, first 32 bit chip was released in ~'96. No 32-bit OS was in stock, but it ran 16 bit Windows perfectly fine. However, it lagged in performance behind Pentium MMX perfomance here due to the CPU instruction set difference. I'm guessing the new 64bit AMD chip is a similar story.
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post #13 of 34
6/29/04 at 6:20pm
actually amd 64 is very much backward compatible and often performs better than similarly priced intels (esp. gaming). No there isnt a 64 bit OS right now but a 64 bit version of XP is supposed to be released at the end of this year and lost of apps and games are planning 64 bit versions of their present software (photoshop, far cry). consider yourself corrected!
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post #14 of 34
6/29/04 at 6:34pm
hey,
Is this the mobile 64 chip?
AMD Athlon 64 (DTR) 3000+ / 3200+ / 3400+ 4750

Thanks
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post #15 of 34
6/29/04 at 7:19pm
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Originally Posted by LaptopGuy
hey,
Is this the mobile 64 chip?
AMD Athlon 64 (DTR) 3000+ / 3200+ / 3400+ 4750

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Yes.
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post #16 of 34
6/29/04 at 10:28pm
To get an idea of how fast the 3400+ will run, you can read FX53 articles, where they compare all CPUs. Seems the 3400+ will get you 10 FPS over the 3.4c.
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/...fx53/page9.asp

Just wish they'd come out with the next GPU, which will probably happen in October.
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post #17 of 34
6/29/04 at 10:30pm
Wow. I wasn't expecting that much of an increase. And when the 64 bit windows come out, the FPS might increase even more.
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post #18 of 34
6/29/04 at 10:58pm
Think that the differences in the memory, motherboard, and graphics card will changes things in the "real laptop" world?
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post #19 of 34
6/29/04 at 11:00pm
For my world is might. If maya runs much faster and half life 2 performs better i think it will be worth it.
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post #20 of 34
6/29/04 at 11:19pm
it seems to me that 8790 is much better in:
- video card
- chipset
- dual hard drive capability
- dual channel memory

therefore, if i trade the 8790 then it would be a downgrade !!!!
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