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Maybe this could clear a few clouds from the sky?

post #1 of 29
6/29/04 at 9:25am
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Click Here to open your eyes

This link may show some light on the recent uproar of the upgradabilty of the area51m2. ATI aint gonna be pushed over by intel yer

Bassicly says There going to be making AGP and PCI cards then later on they will bridge them. (read for more info cuz i aint the best summerizer lol)

Also Nivida Fans

Click here Skys the limit

The bridge chip even though its gonna bottleneck it i dont think a game can use the 1.1gb bandwidth AGP 4x even has so its going to be like less than 1% preformance loss!
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post #2 of 29
6/29/04 at 11:19am
Par for the course really, you can still buy a PCI video card for your PC correct? Same thing here you will be able to get AGP cards for a very long time to come.
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post #3 of 29
6/29/04 at 11:29am
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Originally Posted by Time-Pilot
Par for the course really, you can still buy a PCI video card for your PC correct? Same thing here you will be able to get AGP cards for a very long time to come.
The brite side of this is when PCI-E cards come out the AGP cards will go down in price drasticaly Im sure!
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post #4 of 29
6/29/04 at 11:35am
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yes those articles said there going 2 do 3 types of 1 card

PCI only
PCI bridged to AGP
AGP only (this will be gone maybe 1year down the line then we use bridge)
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post #5 of 29
6/29/04 at 11:40am
Yes Lower price on "obsolete" cards. I dont need PCI-e anytime soon, im fine with AGP 8x
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post #6 of 29
6/29/04 at 11:43am
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Also as they are going to make just AGP cards aswell theres going to be nore extra prefomance from PCI

since AGP 8x is already not being used at 100% nor is AGP 4x :P and when they finaly become bridged there still be hardly any difference. so hopefully its gonna have another 1 year left in it!
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post #7 of 29
6/29/04 at 11:45am
makes no sense, why would ATI do both an AGP and a PCI-E bridged to AGP?

seems like a bit of overkill considering both accomplish the same thing, which is allowing for the continued use of the AGP form

By the way, anyone here who thinks that the Inquirer is a reliable source for tech info, i've got a beach house in alaska that's up for sale
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post #8 of 29
6/29/04 at 11:47am
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i think its beacuse there gonna be more strongly on PCI so PCI comes first bridged. But if you wait lil longer same type of card will be native to AGP.

not sure but whatever it is good move might save AW some skin
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post #9 of 29
6/29/04 at 12:26pm
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Originally Posted by Diesel
makes no sense, why would ATI do both an AGP and a PCI-E bridged to AGP?

seems like a bit of overkill considering both accomplish the same thing, which is allowing for the continued use of the AGP form

By the way, anyone here who thinks that the Inquirer is a reliable source for tech info, i've got a beach house in alaska that's up for sale

Beach house in Alaska might be nice, I took a cruise up around Alaska a few years back, and in fact they have nice beaches!
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post #10 of 29
6/29/04 at 1:39pm
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Originally Posted by Time-Pilot
Par for the course really, you can still buy a PCI video card for your PC correct? Same thing here you will be able to get AGP cards for a very long time to come.
yeah I hear 9800 pro pci cards are selling for about 20$ and the x800pro pci version will hit streets at 39.99$usd.
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post #11 of 29
6/29/04 at 1:40pm
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Originally Posted by archalien
yeah I hear 9800 pro pci cards are selling for about 20$ and the x800pro pci version will hit streets at 39.99$usd.
I feel the prices here along with the cards you mentioned are a bit inacurate! We dont want to confuse poor noobs trying to find an ATI X800 PCI card!

here is the best you could hope for in a PCI card
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...150-060&depa=1
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post #12 of 29
6/29/04 at 2:38pm
That was my popint BG, agp is dead, any arguement otherwise is just garbage.
While you can find a pci gfx card, and in two years you might find an agp card, the platforms are dead and you wont see cutting edge or even dumbed down solutions. All you'll get is bargin bin sales on 3-4 year old cards.
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post #13 of 29
6/29/04 at 2:49pm
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That was my popint BG, agp is dead, any arguement otherwise is just garbage.
How can something be dead when it has a market place? Look PCI-e compatbile pc out there atm are a MAJOR minority where AGP isnt. If your using the "new technology going to take over" why is celeron being sold still? when centrino is alot faster and colder in running. cuz people are still wanting them.If Duel channel ram is better y is it u can still buy single channel beacuse people still buying it.

If people are buying it they wont stop it. they still improve. PCI bandwidth atm wont improve proformance since AGP hasnt even reached 100% I think x8 is 2.2gig bandwidth i could be wrong.

U can still buy a gamecube when xbox and ps2 are far suprior (hehehhe)
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post #14 of 29
6/30/04 at 1:58am
the only market is the bargin bin for people who cant afford a real gfx card, those who dont need a real gfx card, or for those who dont know the difference. this is an AW forum which is also a gaming community- Celeron is there cuz its cheap. Notice that AW doesnt sell celerons in their gaming systems. Maybee you need to educate yourself, there is no difference between in "dual channnel ram" the difference is in the mobo, not the ram. In one year people will think of agp graphics like we think of a pci gfx card now.
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post #15 of 29
6/30/04 at 9:32am
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When i mentioned ram i ment just the duel channel not the ram itself. Duel means it has 2 channels for data to transfer over.

what do you mean by "real gfx card"?? AGP4x no game has used 1.1gig bw supplied by it so the 16x speed of pci ATM seems useless.

no doubt prob in 1 year there will be games that shuld be able to use it to its max but atm its more of a bragging.
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post #16 of 29
6/30/04 at 12:13pm
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Originally Posted by archalien
That was my popint BG, agp is dead, any arguement otherwise is just garbage.
While you can find a pci gfx card, and in two years you might find an agp card, the platforms are dead and you wont see cutting edge or even dumbed down solutions. All you'll get is bargin bin sales on 3-4 year old cards.
Whoa dead is such a strong word! I would not declare it dead yet its inevitable demise in on the horizon. Should this deture an average home user from buying a computer now? Probably not, but a gamer should be aware that if they are in the market for a new computer that some thing is comming very soon that might make thier purchase instantly obsolete. The good news is those of us that already own AGP desktop systems this will drive the price of the super highend AGP cards down drasticaly! I say AGP is not Dead but it does have one foot in the grave.
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post #17 of 29
6/30/04 at 3:22pm
But there will still be someone who makes them for the non-gaming systems. On board Video should be dead by now but how many bargin PCs do you see with onboard video. Just check out Wal-mart.
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post #18 of 29
7/1/04 at 2:22am
Devion you need to hit the harware sites, you are ill informed on dual channel ram, what it is, and what it does- secondly even the newest gfx cards x800,6800 are taxed by games like farcry barelly pushing 60-100 fps while the previous gen of games on the same cards can pull 300+ fps and the games to come out later this year will be even more taxing. ill bet that by christmas AW wont even offer an agp desktop anymore.

Code: not everyone games, hence onboard, pcie wont change that- but agp is dead- embrace the inevitable
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post #19 of 29
7/1/04 at 9:00am
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i didnt mean the card itself being taxed i ment the bandwidth used to pass data from gfx to proccessor via the bus.

Kinda like my car can do 150+ but im limited beacuse of the road signs

no game has yet excelled the bandwidth that AGP can offer. If you take the same chip and make it PCI there would be no difference in visual preformance because all your doing is giving it a bigger engine but still restricted by the cards performance. (engine as the bw sorry 2early for me.)
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post #20 of 29
7/1/04 at 1:40pm
Way to backtrack devion.

too bad only one more generation at most will be dual released considering the 6mo to 1 year product cycles of gfx card. after that agp will be the red-headed step child of gfx cards and only recieve 2nd rate attention from the big 2 ala the best pci gfx card thats currently available.
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