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post #21 of 166
6/30/04 at 4:31pm
The AX7 isn't shipping yet, so no one can provide pics or performance details.

The 8790 and the 4750 are based on 2 different Clevo chassis. Just because they look similar doesn't mean they're aimed at the same group of consumers. DVI ports, RAID configs, thermal characteristics (heat), battery life, and dead weight are different for both systems. Which model appeals to you all depends on what features you're looking for in a system. There is no such thing as a one-size-fits-all notebook; stop perpetuating the myth.

As for the P-4/MR 256MB vs. AMD-64/MR 128MB comparison, the point is moot. Frankly, any differences in performance between these CPU/GPU combos is going to be imperceptible to the human eye. I defy anyone to tell me that their gaming session is impaired by getting only 65 FPS instead of 68 .
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post #22 of 166
6/30/04 at 4:34pm
a 3 fps difference. oh my. that's a cause to get excited about. does anyone know the weight of the 4750. its seems to fit my needs and price range better.
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post #23 of 166
6/30/04 at 4:46pm
Remember, there's hopefully gonna be some mad crazy cooling for the AMD chip. Remember for as long as I could tell u, AMD's run quite warm. 1 specific chip was the Thunderbird when it first dropped, holy cow it was a heat hog. the 8790 rund warm now, imagine with an AMD
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post #24 of 166
6/30/04 at 4:49pm
i think the amd might be less hot, the p4 is older and is not optimised to use powersavings i think or they are just useless with it.
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post #25 of 166
6/30/04 at 5:23pm
Im like both the 8790 and the 4750. I hope that clevo will make a amd65 and the 15inch notebook like the 5690. I dont now about taking a 17in notebook with me everywere but if I have too they make bags for it.
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post #26 of 166
6/30/04 at 6:09pm
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Originally Posted by drawmonster
Yeah, I hear the new P4 64bit chip is going to be the fastest EVER!!! I can't wait till 2006, it's gonna blow everyones elses computer away when I get it!!!
Intels AMD64 support is just a cheap hack job. The real x86-64 chips are AMD Athlon64 and Opteron !
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post #27 of 166
6/30/04 at 6:19pm
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Originally Posted by CRJPilot
Remember, there's hopefully gonna be some mad crazy cooling for the AMD chip. Remember for as long as I could tell u, AMD's run quite warm. 1 specific chip was the Thunderbird when it first dropped, holy cow it was a heat hog. the 8790 rund warm now, imagine with an AMD
The new Athlon64 chips are running little too much cooler than P4 chips. Look at following temperature charts of a THG test:
http://www.tomshardware.com/motherbo...et_775-49.html

Under load the Athlon64 3400 runs 10°C cooler than a Pentium 4 3.4GHz with Northwood core and 13°C cooler than a Pentium 4E 3.4GHz with Prescot core. And now think about the Mobile Athlon64 chips, they may be will run 20°C cooler than a compareable Pentium 4 Northwood chip!
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post #28 of 166
6/30/04 at 6:33pm
You know.. all this laptop is missing is PCIe.. I hope the next sager will be based off of AMD 64, with PCIe.. Just personal preference (for an AMD 64 over Intel P4)..
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post #29 of 166
6/30/04 at 6:36pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by G-Omaha
And to think that in this mornings paper there was an article about the Inter 64Bit chip.

I actually am interest in some facts regarding the 4750 and also actual prices. Speculations of the the new 4750 against the known costs and properties of the 4780 etc... provided for a very colorful pictures,; however, are of no use if the speculations are all "bunk". Please provide the "facts" is all I'm asking (and the source).
according to "laptop" magazine (thanks to maiison), the base 4750 with 3000+, 60G 5400rpm HD, 512 ram, cd rom, and 128 9700 is a mere $2000. Fully upgraded to 3400+, 7200rpm, and 1 gig, dvd burner, i would think around $2600. Not bad compared to ~3200 for 8790 (with 2 HD, granted).
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post #30 of 166
6/30/04 at 6:39pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Black_Barney
You know.. all this laptop is missing is PCIe.. I hope the next sager will be based off of AMD 64, with PCIe.. Just personal preference (for an AMD 64 over Intel P4)..
i was hoping against hope that a laptop just like that would come out before college started in fall, but i guess i'll have to "settle" for 4750.

o and btw, i fully realize how close the performance levels of the 8790 and the 4750 are, that's why i started this thread in the first place.
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post #31 of 166
6/30/04 at 6:50pm
8790 will be king, No contest.
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post #32 of 166
6/30/04 at 7:33pm
Thread Starter 
thank you for your in depth analysis of two models, hentai, lol. tell us why you think 8790 is king.
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post #33 of 166
6/30/04 at 7:47pm
I will tell you who will be king, my laptop, no matter what it is. I plan on taking over all laptops with mine using the ir port (i hope its on this model).
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post #34 of 166
6/30/04 at 8:45pm
Definitely the best one will be king.
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post #35 of 166
6/30/04 at 8:54pm
8790 vs 4750? No-brainer to me. The CPU isn't the whole computer. If you look at the whole pkg, the 4750 just doesn't have it. Not that it's a bad machine- not that at all. But it's not an 8790. The 4750 has a niche, but it's not one that's replacing the 8790 as king.

Now, when the 8790 comes out w/ an AMD chip, then we'll talk. Until then, it's not even fair to the 4750 to compare it to the 8790.

Kind of like comparing an 8790 to an A51-m. Just not fair to the A51-m because it's out of its league.
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post #36 of 166
6/30/04 at 9:53pm
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Originally Posted by OGREtheBUFFOON
according to "laptop" magazine (thanks to maiison), the base 4750 with 3000+, 60G 5400rpm HD, 512 ram, cd rom, and 128 9700 is a mere $2000. Fully upgraded to 3400+, 7200rpm, and 1 gig, dvd burner, i would think around $2600. Not bad compared to ~3200 for 8790 (with 2 HD, granted).
Didn't that Laptop Article unit have a WXGA+ LCD? How much is that LCD upgrade add to your cost calculations?

Actually tthe 8790-S with 3.4, WSXGA+ LCD, 60Gb 7,200rpm Hdd, 1GB Ram, 4x DVD Burner, and WiFi comes in at $2697 (Credit Card) or $2635 (Cash). When compared using the "FACTS", it looks a lot worse now doesn't it? NOTICE: the 8790 is NOT ~$3200 as indicated in the quote!!

What an evil man.....
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post #37 of 166
6/30/04 at 11:01pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by G-Omaha
Didn't that Laptop Article unit have a WXGA+ LCD? How much is that LCD upgrade add to your cost calculations?

Actually tthe 8790-S with 3.4, WSXGA+ LCD, 60Gb 7,200rpm Hdd, 1GB Ram, 4x DVD Burner, and WiFi comes in at $2697 (Credit Card) or $2635 (Cash). When compared using the "FACTS", it looks a lot worse now doesn't it? NOTICE: the 8790 is NOT ~$3200 as indicated in the quote!!

What an evil man.....
omg quit calling me evil, its getting old. i got the 3200 from when i calculated a few weeks ago with a second hard drive and OS. the price may have dropped since then. i was comparing a FULLY spec'd out 8790 to a 4750.

The screen might have been WXGA in the mag, but even so, the upgrade wouldn't cost more than $50-100 methinks. i was also being overly generous when i said $2600 for a spec'd out 4750. 2400 or 2500 seems more like it to me now, but then again all we have to compare with is the base 4750 for $2000 from the mag. Of course we don't have FACTS yet it's not out for 2 weeks! I would appreciate it if you would quit being so negative towards me G.
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post #38 of 166
6/30/04 at 11:11pm
Dual hdds, Raid, Dual Channel DDR, 256MB ATI Mobility Radeon 9700.
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post #39 of 166
6/30/04 at 11:22pm
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Originally Posted by OGREtheBUFFOON
omg quit calling me evil, its getting old. i got the 3200 from when i calculated a few weeks ago with a second hard drive and OS. the price may have dropped since then. i was comparing a FULLY spec'd out 8790 to a 4750.

The screen might have been WXGA in the mag, but even so, the upgrade wouldn't cost more than $50-100 methinks. i was also being overly generous when i said $2600 for a spec'd out 4750. 2400 or 2500 seems more like it to me now, but then again all we have to compare with is the base 4750 for $2000 from the mag. Of course we don't have FACTS yet it's not out for 2 weeks! I would appreciate it if you would quit being so negative towards me G.
Sorry - spin on your sig - When comparing a system with 1 60GB 7,200rpm drive to another with 2 is an automatic disparity of about $245. Then add in the LCD and other "freebees", the cost differences presented are artificually high.

I'd truely like to see that "Laptop Ad" and have not yet seen it. If you have it, can you copy it and then provide a link to it to educate all of us.

My major "heartburn" is that there is a lot of spectulations and opinions "out there" that could paint a false picture and drive future Sager/Clevos customers away because of the falsehods. What was it the SGT Friday said (Car 54 where are you?) "The facts....just the facts..." that's all I'm asking.
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post #40 of 166
6/30/04 at 11:31pm
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Originally Posted by G-Omaha
I'd truely like to see that "Laptop Ad" and have not yet seen it. If you have it, can you copy it and then provide a link to it to educate all of us.
Not this advertisement perchance?
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